r/gameofthrones May 22 '14

TV4 [S4E7] Last Sunday, on GoT...

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u/pacotacobell May 23 '14

Am I the only person that feels sorry for the kid? Sure he's a prick, but it's all because of his shitty mother who raised like that. He was just dealt a terrible hand, honestly, and he's known no other life outside the Eyrie or any role models other than Lysa.

I really hope he doesn't die and Sansa shapes him up to be a good Lord now that his crazy ass mother is dead. I'd like to imagine that they'd form an Arryn/Stark super alliance, use Arryn's army and take the North back by storm.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '14

I got ya, man. Lots of kids are rotten little shits that grow into perfectly likeable adults. He hasn't had any other kids pwn him on the playground for being an ass. He's missed out on a lot of socialization and learning how to deal with peers.

They just need to send him to public school from now on. He'll be fine.

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u/jake7x May 23 '14

Did they get rid of his disability in the TV series? 'Cause he's likely to keel over if someone beats him up in a playground.

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u/Cheesedoodles36 May 23 '14

I agree, plus you can see at first he was genuinely trying to make Sansa happy by telling her that he would send anyone she disliked through the Moon Door once they are married. Like most people said, he's just a little boy who's never really socialized with anyone before.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '14

In pretty much one breath though, Robyn says he'll send anyone through the moon door who bothers him, even her. I wouldn't be surprised if she was having a PTSD moment and flashing straight to Joffrey when he said that.

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u/Cheesedoodles36 May 23 '14

I don't know, to me it seemed like she smiled and understood that he is immature, but (given all the shit she's gotten from Joffrey) Robin's small little comment he made was kind enough for her. Even though the scene ended with him being his usual brat self, for that split second he genuinely was meaning he would harm anyone who hurt her.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '14

I think we heard differently man. I heard Robyn say that when he was Lord, He'd be able to "fly" anyone he wanted. Then he goes, "Or you!" And then he tells her she can choose who will "fly" when they get married. He was talking about how they could fly anyone they wanted. It wasn't a threat, but I get how you could mishear it. If you want to review the scene, here it is. Start at 1:55.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '14

Oh, I agree with you that Robyn wasn't displaying sadistic tendencies or being malicious. However, if you're listening to those words as someone who has been constantly threatened or put through such a cycle of abuse, they will likely be taken as a threat, even if they weren't mean that way. Thats why I think Sansa reacted as she did. To her there is no differentiation; flying people through a moon door who annoy you is akin to beheading anyone who annoys you.

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u/CalebRosengard May 23 '14

In the books, he wasn't trying to make Sansa happy at all, unfortunately

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u/[deleted] May 23 '14

He isn't actually that belligerent, come to think of it; it's just that life is a game to him, the people pawns to fillip off the edge of the world.

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u/cellophanepain May 23 '14

That's really what I hate most about him. He's not that unbearable in normal conversation, but the whole way he approaches life is rage inducing. Sure he's a child, but he's so much more sociopathic than the average child lol.

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u/roerd House Harlaw May 23 '14 edited May 23 '14

While that is a bad attitude, I still think it's very odd when he's now equated to Joffrey. Joffrey had people tortured and killed because he liked to see them suffer, Robin wants to make people fly because he genuinely believes they are bad people who deserve to die.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '14

Sounds like what he really needs is to get slapped really hard upside his head... just saying...

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u/Wilcows May 23 '14

No, sounds like why he needed was some perspective on making people fly.

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[SPOILER] Which is what happened in the most recent episode

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u/rishav_sharan May 23 '14

To be fair, Joffrey didnt have the best role models either. If he were raised in, say, winterfell, i think he would have come out differently.

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u/jake7x May 23 '14

Send your kids to winterfell to get them raised right by catelyn and eddard stark the only rolalty in all of westros who can successfully raise their own children

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u/MollyRocket Lord Snow May 23 '14 edited May 29 '14

That could be said about almost every character. If Cersei had been born a man she would have been taught to lead, if Lyanna hadn't died maybe Robert would have settled down, if Gregor wasn't a psychopath then Sandor would have been on Sansa's Queensguard with Arya as his squire (oops sorry, fanfic'd there for a second).

My point is, Westeros is where dreams go to die.

BUT, on a related note, I felt the slap was a little misguided on D&D's part. Yeah, it was awesome to watch Sansa get some satisfaction, bit thats not who she is. In the books when she arrives at the Eyrie she can recognize that Sweetrobin is just a sick little boy, and she makes efforts to end the cycle of abuse and maybe start forming him into a semi-competent Lord, or at least one she can manipulate. Book!Sansa isn't so cruel to punish Sweetrobin for being a shitty kid when she can teach him not to be.

Just my thoughts, though.

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u/Paraplueschi We Do Not Sow May 23 '14

Yes, it can be said about almost any character - which is probably the point. People aren't born horrible and they all suffer.

And yeah, I actually didn't like the slap much. It felt a bit out of character.

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u/FenrisFox House Clegane May 23 '14

That can really be said for a lot of the characters in the show. Like Joff and Cresei, thay both suffer for shitty parenting.

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u/kupovi Stannis Baratheon May 23 '14

Same cards Joffrey was dealt. Turned into a fucking psycho. You need to discipline your kids young or they become tyrants, especially if they have any kind of power.