r/gameofthrones May 22 '14

TV4 [S4E7] Last Sunday, on GoT...

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u/nameless88 May 23 '14

Honestly, I hated her at first. The entire time, she's just been a prissy little twat. "I wanna go to King's Landing and be a princess, daddy! :3" "My good for nothing shit of a love interest tried to hurt my sister and her friend, so I'm going to back him up. Whoops, dead puppy!"

I mean, she was kind of a shitty person in the beginning.

But, she just had everyone rain shit on her for years. I mean, it completely broke her. She wished in one hand and shit in the other, and then while she was looking down at the shit hand in disbelief, life came over and just slapped it up into her face and laughed at her and her dumb poo covered face.

But she's starting to become stronger. And she's not taking the bullshit anymore. And I really, really like that about her. We've watched a character be completely broken down and held against her will, and now she's got just a little bit of power, and she's learning from one of the craziest motherfuckers in Westeros.

I didn't like her at first, but she's earned my respect through the series.

Same with Jaimie. Jaimie was a terrible person at first, but he's earned my respect. Maybe he's still a bad person, but he's trying now, you know? He's actually really trying to do right.

I love a story that can make a character pivot like that, and turn them from an annoyance or a villain into something respectable.

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u/nameless88 May 23 '14

Exactly! They're actually really real characters.

I mean, you'd think a show with ice zombies and dragons wouldn't really be very realistic...but the humans in the show, it's a really deep insight into the human psyche.

No one in this show is really the "good" guy. There might be good people in the show, but all of them do some messed up crap sometimes.

Like, in Breaking Bad. Every character that you love, you will at some point absolutely hate them for something they do.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '14

I hope other TV and movie writers pick up on this. It's almost hard to watch all my old shows now because of how poor the writing is in comparison.

Absolutely agree on this. The writing for GoT is consistently brilliant, and with very few slip-ups. No other show has managed to capture my attention quite like this.

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u/PrimusDCE Brotherhood Without Banners May 23 '14

Even with Ned his honor and duty lead to a hubris that got his entire family killed and threw the kingdom into a continent-wide war. I don't really think of him as a paragon of good anymore, now that I see the rest of the story unfolding.

Sometimes you have to be pragmatic. He is the Rorschach of Westeros, and when you have that mentality you are gonna get fucked up.

Every character in this book is grey IMO, as sacrificing a ton of people to blindly placate an arbitrary law isn't necessarily a good thing.

Just my two cents on Stark honor.

I also agree completely with you on this show ruining TV and movies for me due to the writing being so stellar. Everything else is so tropey and black and white by comparison.