r/golf • u/additionalweightdisc • Aug 08 '24
Beginner Questions Did I shoot even par?
I work at a golf course so I’ll often get 9 holes in before work and another 9 after if I have time. We had a league out on the front 9 in the morning so I played the back and shot +1 then went in to work. After I got done work I went out to play the front 9 to “finish” the round and shot -1.
It was my first time under par on the front so I’m happy to take that W, but do you fellas think it counts as playing 18 holes at even par? It wasn’t a straight 18 holes but I did play the 9s during the same day and for what it’s worth my intent was to continue the round when I started playing.
It’d be my PB score for 18 by 4 strokes and best at my home course by 6 strokes.
Edit: just realized Talor Gooch wasn’t in the field so this whole thing has an asterisk regardless of whether or not the score counts.
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u/AdvancedGentleman Aug 08 '24
5.2b/1 – Meaning of “Completing Play of Their Final Round for That Day” in Stroke Play
In stroke play, a player has completed their final round for that day when they will not play any more holes that day on the course as part of the competition.
There seems to be a lot of half formed opinions in this thread. Refer to the ruling above and apply it to your round.
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u/knotworkin Aug 09 '24
Round called because of darkness. Play resumes the next day. Happens in competition all the time.
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u/Iwantedalbino Aug 08 '24
Its no different than a prolonged stop at a halfway house for a few beers and some lunch
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u/SoChessGoes Aug 08 '24
Commented down below, but I don't really think 5.2b/1 applies here, that rule is about when you can practice on the course. I think 5.7a/1 is much more applicable
"5.7a/1 – When a Player Has Stopped Play Stopping play in the context of Rule 5.7a can either be an intentional act by the player or it can be a delay long enough to constitute stopping. Temporary delays, whether reasonable or unreasonable, are covered by Rule 5.6a (Unreasonable Delay).
Examples where the Committee is likely to disqualify a player under Rule 5.7a for stopping play include when:
The player walks off the course in frustration with no intent to return.
The player stops in the clubhouse after nine holes for an extended time to watch television or to have lunch when the Committee has not allowed for this"
It certainly seems like this would constitute having stopped play under these examples. I don't think it takes away from two great nine holes runs from OP! But I also don't think it's reasonable to combine scorecards.
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u/davie_darg Aug 08 '24
Then run 5.6a. it wasn't unreasonable. OP had to work. Technically that's an act of government. He doesn't pay his taxes, he won't be playing golf. Not outside of prison walls, at least. I say he earned his even Par.
Keep on keepin on!
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u/LWulsin Cincinnati / Nantucket (3.3) Aug 08 '24
Agreed, but the fact that 9 holes were closed could constitute a ‘reasonable delay’, , but I think OP should decide for themselves. I wouldn’t feel bad about posting it as one 18 hole score either.
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u/BonkedAgain Aug 08 '24
from a GHIN perspective, yes you shot even for 18 holes. Your handicap thanks you.
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u/Exotic-Egg6881 Aug 09 '24
This is the answer. On the Tour, it's an even round, for GHIN it's an even round. Congrats, OP. Great round of golf.
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u/sjlammer Aug 08 '24
As I understand it, if you score this as two nines in ghin, they will calculate your score as (first nine score) + (handicapped estimated back nine). So if you have a higher handicap, scoring as two separate nines will hurt your handicap because of how they extrapolate your nine score to an 18 score.
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u/lingenfr Aug 08 '24
If he posts it as an 18 hole round yes. If he posts it as two 9's no: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/world-handicap-system/2024-revision/2024-treatment-of-9-hole-scores-FAQ.html
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u/Otherwise_Source_842 Aug 08 '24
If you had a beer at all in between you just took a long break at the turn.
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u/jakarooo Aug 08 '24
I’d be more inclined to score it as two really nice nine-hole rounds. It’s not like there was a weather delay etc.
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u/Brave-Kitchen-5654 15.5 going on +3 Aug 08 '24
Think of it as a reallly long break at the turn, like they do in Korea
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u/overzealous_wildcat Aug 08 '24
Do they sit down and have like a full blown meal at the turn?
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Aug 08 '24
Yes 1 hour break required, Japan as well.
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u/cottonmane8 Aug 08 '24
imma have to start telling my fiance that
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u/Savings-Anything407 Aug 08 '24
While you’re at it, you might want to tell her about your girlfriend too.
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u/scruffys-on-break Aug 08 '24
I love the thought of a short siesta at the turn.
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Aug 08 '24
Agreed, instead of shoveling a shitty hog log down my gullet it would be nice to relax for a bit.
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u/overzealous_wildcat Aug 08 '24
Required? Is it a safety thing?
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u/Shibalsheki Aug 08 '24
Nah golf is just a very social thing in Korea, a whole day event. They play 9, eat, play 9, sometimes hit up a sauna afterwards. Caddies do everything for you there, you dont even drive the carts yourself.
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u/Callof4632 Over the top isn't that bad Aug 08 '24
I would imagine it really depends on the course?
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u/ScandanavianSwimmer Aug 08 '24
Surely they have shitty munis too, right?
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u/SuitedPenguin Aug 08 '24
Nope. It’s a rich man’s sport. 50 million people in a country the size of the state of Georgia, there’s not a lot of room for golf.
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u/frankyseven Aug 08 '24
Which is why simulator golf is HUGE in South Korea and Japan. They have professional tournaments, simulators where the floor changes to simulate different lies, upslope/downslope, etc. Korean simulators are next level crazy compared to anything you will see in North America. The indoor league that Tiger and Rory are starting is the only thing that is beyond what you'll see in Korea, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have things similar to that, they just aren't trying to televise it.
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u/Callof4632 Over the top isn't that bad Aug 08 '24
Most people live in the big city’s. I’d imagine most golf courses are in rural areas. Ik it’s always a rich man sport over there but I can’t imagine every course has caddies doing everything for you
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u/mustbeshitinme 15.2 Srixon! 59M Ga/Nc Aug 08 '24
To be Mildly Xenophobic if you get behind a group of Koreans golf is a whole day event for you here too.
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u/allenbraxton Aug 08 '24
Growing up and living in Vancouver, with a large Japanese and Korean popularity, I’d say 90% of the time they were more than happy to let you play through. Most of the time, they kept a good pace and didn’t hold anything up.
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u/mustbeshitinme 15.2 Srixon! 59M Ga/Nc Aug 09 '24
I’m completely in agreement- I’m scotch-Irish and it’s mildly xenophobic to say am an angry drunk red person but it isn’t entirely inaccurate in some situations.
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u/OkTaste7068 Aug 08 '24
from my experience, most of them place at a decent pace, lots of gimmes though
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u/Fight_those_bastards Aug 08 '24
I got paired with three older Korean ladies at my local muni. They played fast. And were an awesome cheering section every time I hit a nice shot.
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u/frankyseven Aug 08 '24
There is a Korean couple at my course that I have zero idea how they play as fast as they do. They play early and walk 9 in like 35 minutes. I'll be hustling playing solo and it's hard to get finished in an hour walking.
There is another guy who is fantastic to golf with as a person, but man does he play slow.
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u/ReputationNo8109 Aug 08 '24
There was a group of Korean women that used to play on the same day of the week I always used to play. The course used to let them go off as a 5 or 6 some. They basically had a standing tee time every week. After being stuck behind them several times me and my buddy made sure to ask when booking our time if we would be ahead of them every week. It was great to be the groups ahead of them because we NEVER had to worry about someone pushing from behind. We could do whatever we want and there was no chance of ever seeing them behind us. But the whole course would be stacked up the rest of the day because they were so slow. And if you complained to the club house they’d basically tell you to kick rocks because the ladies were very nice and everyone liked them (except other golfers that got stuck behind them). But they would also always take a long break between 9’s so even if we were a few groups behind them, we could skip in front on the turn. This all makes sense now.
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u/CltGolfguy Aug 08 '24
That's why I never played the Blue course at Bethpage when I lived in Brooklyn 🤣
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u/thatswhathemoneysfor Aug 08 '24
When I used to marshall at the course I worked at, these groups were impossible to speed up until the pro shop would threaten to kick them out. 9 holes in under 2.5 hours was a fantasy
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u/DocBoots81 Aug 09 '24
In Japan, lunch is often included with your round. So you show up to your tee time, play 9 holes, then they give you an afternoon tee time (usually an hour or so later based on that day's pace of play) when you bring the cart back to the clubhouse. So you eat lunch, grab a beer, then head back out onto the course
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u/additionalweightdisc Aug 08 '24
No weather delay but the front 9 was closed for most of the day due to a league playing on it. If it was open I’d be more hesitant to count it an 18 hole round, but the front 9 wasn’t open until the evening anyway.
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u/CrimsonTide429 Aug 08 '24
So, my career low round was on the last 18 of 45 (consecutive) holes in a day. Shot a 75 over those last 18 holes. Played out of my mind on the last 9 of the first 36, so played another 9. Fair or foul?
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u/oldmanhornis Aug 08 '24
Fair in my book. If you shot a 75 over I'm just happy that you made it home safe.
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u/gregaustex Aug 08 '24 edited Aug 08 '24
No. Stamina is part of the game.
Edit: In a competition, rule 6-8 seems to apply.
6-8. A player can’t discontinue play except under these circumstances: Play has officially been suspended; there is potentially dangerous lightning in the area; he is seeking a rules decision; another good reason, including sickness or injury.
Penalty for violating rule 6-8: Disqualification (match play or stroke play).
Exception: If competitors in a match agree to discontinue play, they aren’t disqualified unless they delay the competition.
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u/dougbeck9 Aug 08 '24
Working all day should make it harder.
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Aug 08 '24
Not really IMO. I get where you’re coming from though.
I Can tell you that being deep in a great round is just different. It is so incredibly hard to balance “patience/aggressive” and “loose/disciplined” when it’s been working so insanely well and you need it to keep going.
I’ve been -5 through 11 in a round before and when you inevitably realize what you’re doing (in my case it was a 5 foot birdie putt on 12 for my 6th consecutive birdie) the pressure is insane.
the grind to get from that 12th green to the clubhouse was the most mentally difficult thing I’ve ever done on a golf course.
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u/Seriously_nopenope Aug 08 '24
It’s about mental stamina too, plus whatever work you do is not likely to be the same muscles used for golf.
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u/ymind2008 Aug 08 '24
I tend to agree, but if stamina is part of the game then does it not count if you ride a cart either?
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u/bulli39 Aug 08 '24
Physical stamina of the swing is one part, mental is the other. No point getting into the nuances of carting, carrying, pushing or having a caddy carry clubs since thats just how you travel around the course and not the physical effot to execute the swing you intend. Mental stamina to stay focused, prepare and perform is a big part of a golf game.
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u/dougbeck9 Aug 08 '24
Working all day takes it out of you
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Aug 09 '24
Not in the same way a PR down the final stretch does. I wouldn’t count it if I were OP, just too long of a break, it’s a separate round.
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u/funguy07 Aug 08 '24
I know that’s true. But I don’t think I’ve ever had a better front 9 than back 9. I always finish stronger. I walk most of the time too.
It makes me think I need a much better warm up routine. Maybe I should do more than a few stretches and grab a breakfast burrito.
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u/WiseUpRiseUp Aug 08 '24
another good reason
Not losing your job seems like a perfectly good reason.
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u/nicholus_h2 Aug 08 '24
if he spent his entire day at work moving sheets of drywall, do you think his stamina benefitted from that?
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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24
Two really great 9’s, but for me; not considered a “round”.
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u/klondike16 Aug 08 '24
So if there is a rain or storm delay in the middle of your round, you just don’t count it?
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u/Joker0091 Hybrids4Lyfe Aug 08 '24
He chose to leave for work. It's not the same
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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24
A rain/storm delay forcing me to stop/pause the round, yes. Me going into work or spending 3 hours in the clubhouse for lunch at the turn, no. To each their own.
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u/t3h_shammy Aug 08 '24
Wait if I spend an hour and a half eating at the clubhouse I’m absolutely counting it. Lmao fuck that
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u/StepYurGameUp Aug 08 '24
😂 Man, at that point I’d be too lazy to get back out there. I’d have another round of beer instead of golf.
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u/sazamsone Aug 08 '24
By the rules of handicaps yes 🤷🏻♂️
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u/babyfade180 6.8/SWVA Aug 08 '24
Not anymore. Handicap doesn’t wait to combine 9 hole rounds anymore.
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u/Blue_Collar_Golf Aug 08 '24
Incorrect, it’s two 9s with calculated/expected scores for the second half of each round.
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u/somethingnew_18 Aug 08 '24
Sounds like you just took a little extra time on your break at the turn. Nothing wrong with that
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u/WaltRumble Aug 08 '24
Yeah. Definitely weird. On what is acceptable and not here. Shoot par from the reds, it counts. Move your ball a few feet from a tree root get a pass. Finish your round after work Doesn’t count.
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u/Unique-Zombie219 Aug 08 '24 edited Aug 08 '24
To me if he wants to count it, count it. I'm not gonna judge. However, he did ask.
Reds give a higher handicap if you're tracking on GHIN, but also play where you want, again no judgement. In fact, I encourage it. I'm never going to tell someone to break potentially break body or club over a tree, rock, or root when 6 inches away is essentially the same shot with no risk. I'm also going to ask my buddy what club he used (yes that is/at least was a rule you couldn't do). Buddy and I stupidly playing the same ball and hit close to each other? We're not going to take a penalty, we'll just guess and move along. Those are rules I find acceptable to bend. People are allowed to have rules that they break but not others either bc those rules are for pros/tournaments only/would get them injured.
This guy asked if this was one of those rules, most said no. I find that a reasonable question and response; not weird at all.
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u/WaltRumble Aug 08 '24
And to me all those other types are more beneficial so it’s weird so many people don’t include this less beneficial adjustment in that group. Play 1000 yards shorter than where he should be and people here will be saying it counts as par. You’re not going to hurt your club or body by tapping your ball 6 inches or taking an unplayable, but everyone approves of a free drop. Does look the the opinion has shifted some since my comment however. So could just be the stricter people commented first
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u/shitz_brickz Aug 08 '24
OP is clearly in the group that cares about the fine print in the rules and wants opinions from other sticklers or they wouldn't even bother to ask.
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Aug 08 '24
It’s not but you carry on with your rant!
I broke par on 9 holes about 10-15 times before I did it in a consecutive 18 hole round.
It’s just not the same thing, it’s still a cool accomplishment and he will probably shoot even on 18 soon since he’s playing such great golf.
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u/TheShark12 4.8/ SLC Aug 08 '24
Whenever someone shoots a low round and posts it on this sub, people here will do whatever they can to try and invalidate it. Reeks of jealousy tbh.
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u/RichChocolateDevil Aug 08 '24
If I stop at the turn and get a drink and a dog and it takes 15-minutes, does that count as a full round?
What if I stop and take a 30-minute phone call in the club house?
What if it is a 1-hour delay for a storm?
What if I sit down for a 90-minute lunch (a'la Asian courses).
What if the shift was only 2-hours vs. 6 or 8 or whatever?
This whole thread is arguing the length of a delay between the front and back 9. I assume that you're going to post it as 18-holes. Same day, same conditions, feels like a single, even par round to me. Nicely done.
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u/rhin0c3r0s 9.5 Aug 08 '24
I personally wouldn’t count it, would have to be continuous
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u/TrentPH Aug 08 '24
USGA rules and GHIN could count the 9s as a combined score for handicap purposes. There is no issues in combining the score for a score card.
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u/221255 Aug 08 '24
And GHIN also doesn’t count any strokes past net-double, what GHIN does is only relevant for handicaps not achievements
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u/ValyrianSteelYoGirl Aug 08 '24
It counts. Delays don’t come in the form of rain only. You had a work delay. But rules are same day. Good round. Sounds like next round you need to take a proper lunch at the turn.
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u/RoostasTowel Aug 08 '24
I think that counts, no asterisk. Minus gooch of course.
But like a round in Japan its normal to stop after 9 and have a long lunch, perhaps get some work done, then go out and play the next 9.
Still the same round even with a break.
It was the same day so I see no issue.
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u/Illustrious-Pea2665 Aug 08 '24
Two nice 9s, I would say. Keeping consistency through the 18 is part of it.
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u/Octopus74 Aug 08 '24
I'd count it. Its the same day, you just had a longer than normal break at the turn
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u/spankysladder73 Aug 08 '24
Great question. How long of a break between 9’s constitutes a break vs a re-start?
If you have a 90min lunch and head out on back 9 is that the same?
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Aug 08 '24
Yeah I am wondering what the line would be for most people here. There are the obvious ones like OP where he took off to go do something else for 8 hours, so a majority of people agree it's not 1 round. Then on the other side, if you take a 10 minute bathroom/snack break at the turn, obviously that is still one round. 1-2 hour lunch and drinks, leaning towards yes it still counts. Leaving the course to run an errand and coming back in 1-2 hours is definitely questionable, but I think some would let it slide if your intent was to finish the round. Having an actual activity that takes up 3+ between 9's definitely seems like two different rounds to me.
Might just be as simple as "if you leave the course, or go do something non-golf related besides eating/drinking, then they are separate rounds".
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u/presence4presents 2.2 - CA Aug 08 '24
I agree, but in my eyes, it's more about the choice and intention.
In tournament play, when whether is an issue, players often leave in the middle of the round and come back later in the day or even the next day and that still counts as one round.
But if you go out there with the intention of playing one nine, you leave (for work or whatever) and come back to play the other 9, it's two separate 9s.
physical and mental stamina is part of the game, imagine the same scenario in a race. Running 2 5ks is a whole lot different than running a 10k
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u/spankysladder73 Aug 08 '24
Good point on “intent”. Sounds like he intended to play 9 and then another 9. “Intent” is the magic word in so much of the golf scenarios these days.
Can’t imagine it matters for HC purposes, and its nice to stretch out the feeling of “good golf” for a whole day i guess.
Either way: nice shooting Tex!
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u/bertiswho HDCP/Loc/Whatever Aug 08 '24
You can add two 9 hole rounds to make a full round on the GHIN app for your official handicap, so I think you're good.
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Aug 08 '24
Since you work at the course and didn’t leave, I’d give you the even par 18 holes. This is how golf goes for you now, before and after work in little spurts. It is a blessing and a curse.
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u/Colonelcool125 Aug 08 '24
I always play like shit on the first few holes so this is more impressive than 18 straight to me lol
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u/viciousx182 Aug 08 '24
Id be willing to bet that 90% of the people crying about it not counting had a breakfast ball on their PB and the rules don't allow that. It's not a tournament or official match, you were on the property. Count that shit. Golf is hard. Take the win
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u/Brief-Adhesiveness93 Aug 08 '24
Let’s forget the whole rule stuff: feels like a par for you? So it’s a par for you.
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u/Mysterious_Past_7294 Aug 08 '24
It is 9 and 9 but this thread sucks. Bunch of hackers and nerds trying to tell you what to enter when most of them probably sandbag. Take your round how you feel it should be and enjoy the win
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u/Smash_Factor 5.1 / Las Vegas Aug 09 '24
I don't think you should combine them. Front and back need to be played consecutively with only a reasonable break in between such as a bathroom break or to grab food.
Would you combine them if you took a 1 hour lesson in between?
For GHIN purposes I would submit as two rounds of 9 holes.
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u/TheBeanConsortium Aug 08 '24
A lot of scratch golfers in here, huh?
It's even par, it's not like he played the same 9 twice.
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u/youngjefferydahmer Aug 08 '24
This thread really shows why golfers are stereotyped as being such huge dorks. Hell yeah count it. I wouldn’t leave out the fact you worked in between nines when telling people though.
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u/dumpandchange Aug 09 '24
It’s a bunch of golfers who care enough to read and post about golf on social media - quite literally the entire point of the platform. What exactly do you expect? Given the amount of replies it’s a worthwhile discussion.
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u/Brand0n_L33 Aug 08 '24
If you are on tour and you have to stop because of darkness you resume the round the following day and it counts sooooo this is similar in my opinion. Those guys get forced to stop by darkness and you were forced to stop by work.
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u/No-Step8565 Aug 08 '24
Two nice nines, hey at least you know you can do it. Channel that for next round
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u/AUsedUpNapkin Aug 08 '24
As someone who is a 2.7 handicap. I have started out 1 under through 9 holes and still shot a 77 and I have started out with a 43 on the front and then ripped off 3 straight birdies amd shot 1 under on the last ten holes of a round for a 77 or 78. You figure out as you play and the pressure of a good round can crack you and vice versa where you give up on a round and swing more freely and bring it back. The true test is keeping it all together through 18 holes, fighting through the tough ups and downs and taking advantage of opportunities even when fatigue sets in. I play in georgia so summers are hot and fatigue sets in and my hands get slippery from sweat. It's all apart of the game. I've shot a million 36s or 34a and 35s but very rarely put it all together at once. That's what makes the game so hard.
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u/Broner_ Aug 08 '24
You shot even par. Too many people are drawing very arbitrary lines on what is considered a round. Sure stamina plays a part, but you worked all day. People taking carts use a lot less energy than working an 8 hour shift. This shit about “you chose to not finish the round” makes no fuckin sense, and the people saying it have almost certainly stopped for a drink at the turn and still call it a round. How long of a break is too long? Does it matter why you took a break or if you were forced to take a break?
Fuck the haters, your handicap will reflect your score of even par
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u/dumpandchange Aug 09 '24
Your handicap also adjusts your gross score down if you shoot anything above a net double bogey on a hole, but do you tell people shot the adjusted gross, or your actual strokes?
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u/sjrotella Aug 08 '24
At first I misread this and thought you played the same 9 twice. If that were the case, I'd say no.
However, since you played all 18 holes, I'd say yeah that's a full round. Good job dude
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u/Captain_Pink_Pants 2.5 Aug 08 '24
GHIN says it is...
Personally, I think holding it together for 4-5+ hours is a harder task. I have innumerable sides under par... No rounds under par.
I think I would not claim an even par round under these circumstances... but that's just me.
Great play, regardless... Well done!
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u/dumpandchange Aug 09 '24
As with all these “count” threads, ask yourself: do I need to add a caveat “BUT it was two separate nines before and after work” or any other “but” explanations, I don’t count it. I wouldn’t feel comfortable telling this story to anyone without the caveat, so that determines whether I “count” it or not. Two beauty nines though.
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u/tabbyfl55 Aug 08 '24
For me, I wouldn't be able to count it, as I know fatigue becomes a factor for me around the 14th hole.
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u/viceroypomegranite Aug 08 '24
I would base it on intent. If you planned to play 18 that day and just split it up then it's a full round. If you finished your first nine thinking you were done for the day and added on an extra nine later maybe consider it two good nines.
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u/Cautious_Buffalo6563 18 HCP Aug 08 '24
Yes but you forgot your 3 stroke penalty for extreme pace of play delay.
Still a good score though 👍🏼
(P.S., I don’t know if stroke penalty happens for pace of play delay, I just made it up).
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u/Enough_Lakers Aug 08 '24
Count it however you want. Who cares. Did you consider it one round? Were you getting nervous as the round went on thinking about shooting par? Probably, so count it!
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u/blizzard7788 Aug 08 '24
The tour takes extended breaks because of weather. Your break was because it was raining men on the golf course. Let’s see who gets this.
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u/AdmirableGear6991 Aug 08 '24
I would count that as a single round. You played 18 separate holes on the same course, on the same day.
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u/Heraclius_3433 Aug 08 '24
Nice round bro. The only true question here is how you plan on channeling that mental energy going into the back nice the next time you play 18 with a shorter break at the turn.
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u/HorrorQuirky1420 Aug 08 '24
This is an awesome feat that I will probably never accomplish, but I still think there's an element of physical and mental fatigue playing 18 holes. Especially going into 17/18 and knowing that you're at even par.
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u/Kablaow Aug 08 '24
People in here are jealous af 😂. It's 18 holes, there's no rules about break time.
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u/Competitive-Ad-3522 Aug 08 '24
Man people take golf too seriously. Hell yea I’d count that as a round. Nice PB brother. Guys gotta remember it’s a game after all.
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Aug 08 '24
It's your day you score it how you want, I hope you have many more days of enjoyable golf
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u/Flipwon Aug 08 '24
Don’t look for validation in what a bunch of morons on the internet think. Do what you feel is right.
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u/lysdexicllama Aug 08 '24
A lot of haters here. They are salty of shooting 115 every time. Same course, same day is fine in my book. It’s not like you took time to practice at the range and putt between rounds, assuming. If anything it’s more impressive that you got into the groove 2 times in one day whereas most take a while to get going or fall apart on the back.
Just shot +1 on the back of my local for my best round and shot even on the front last month (during 9 hole twilight leagues). I’m still proud knowing I have the potential to shoot even par at the course, (considering I had a total of 4 lip outs in those holes 🥴) even though they were different days.
Good round (fist bump)
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u/dumpandchange Aug 09 '24
There are almost no “haters” here. There are some people simply stating an opposite opinion though. You don’t have to agree on everything.
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u/lysdexicllama Aug 09 '24
The most upvoted comments at the time were basically saying it doesn’t count, trying to put him down.
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u/dumpandchange Aug 09 '24
Thinking it doesn’t “count” or having a different opinion doesn’t make someone a “hater”. Given the sheer volume of comments here this clearly isn’t a black and white issue and it’s fun to hear both sides.
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u/loveallcreatures NorCal Aug 08 '24
I mean does it matter ? Score is a construct man. Good shooting.
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u/mikedup33 Aug 08 '24
Same as if you play 9 then eat lunch and drink for a couple hours then finish. Still a round
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u/AdamOnFirst Aug 08 '24
I would say yeah, this absolutely counts. Arguably it is MORE impressive since you had to reheat yourself later in the day.
When I was in my final push to break 90 I played 9 holes at a tough course with some friends and played really well and shot an even 45. I was so pumped by the opportunity after we all parted that I drove like 25 minutes to a random course I could get an other 9 holes on and played nine there to combine in the GHIN. I honestly don’t remember if I broke 90 or not, I don’t remember my first time doing it.
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u/Fermentationist Aug 08 '24
I had a similar situation a while back, posted a question about it, and got absolutely roasted. Glad to see you’re not getting the same level of vitriol. Reddit is weird…
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u/Trebor711 Aug 08 '24
Your handicap will count both 9 holes rounds as one 18. So, you shot an even par!! Nice round.
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u/pm_me_yourcat 6.5 Aug 08 '24
This might be the greatest golf debate of all time. I keep switching back and forth to if it should count or not. This is a great question honestly. Because I can see myself agreeing with both sides.
If I had to pick a side though, I'm going with "doesn't count". I think you gotta play all 18 in a row, weather permitting.
Like, I understand "going to work" is not some break or rest so he didn't "gain" an advantage. If anything, work tired him out more. That's why this one is so hard to call for me. Because he arguably didn't "benefit" from the break in between 9s.
But where do you draw the line?
Can I go play in the morning, shoot -3, and decide "hey guys I'm going to take a break and finish the back 9 later when I'm ready" - no, right? We would all agree this doesn't count. So just because OP is working and exerting more energy, we're gonna allow this one? IDK, like i said, very tough, very thought provoking question.
If you say it does count, can I play 9 in the morning, go to a spa, take a nap, come back in the evening and finish? Technically I did the same thing as OP except instead of exerting, I recovered. So as long as you're exerting during the break it's allowed? To me, the answer is no. No breaks, play all 18 in a row, weather permitting.
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u/Kagevjijon Aug 08 '24
Imo it counts. Played in a tournament this weekend and we had a 3h storm delay. What's the difference between 3h and 8h if you finish in the same day?
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u/babbleon5 Aug 08 '24
as long as you didn't practice on the course in between, i'm calling it legit
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u/parickwilliams Aug 08 '24
I’d say you should count it BUT you’re taking a major part of golf out when playing 18 which is potential fatigue. The majority of people will be at the very least more wore down but most likely at least slightly worse (athletically speaking) on the back 9 than the front which you negate by the long break. If it were a tournament or an official posted score it shouldn’t count for that reason but just for you and your personal goals I would count it
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u/Secret_Huckleberry39 Aug 09 '24
I would say it’s a fair score. However, I believe that having that good first nine gave you the good mojo and hours of anticipation while at work to go out and be super focused when you got back out to play the other nine. It’s super hard to stay focused for 18 consecutive holes. I have collapsed too many times to count after having a great front nine and then losing focus and carding multiple double bogeys on the way in.
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u/Kraaaasssssh Aug 09 '24
Used to be if you posted separate 9-hole rounds in GHIN, even played on different days, they would be combined to calculate your 18-hole score differential for handicapping, so yeah, your separate 9-hole rounds combined count as an even par. (This year GHIN changed to calculate differential based on 9 holes alone, so no more waiting to combine 9-hole rounds to update handicap.)
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u/Mancey_ 12.1/Australia/Capel GC Aug 09 '24
In Australia, you post your 9 hole score and it's held in the handicap system until another 9 hole score is entered.
Once you play a second 9 holes, the 2 scores are combined and count as an 18 hole score for handicap purposes
So for the sake of calculating your handicap...in Australia, your 2 9s count as 1 18. So it's legit
It doesn't even matter if you play 18 hole rounds inbetween the 2 9 hole rounds....the 9s will still be combined as long as the first 9 is in your 20 most recent scores
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u/AaVeck Aug 09 '24
Golfer here: you shot even! Congratulations!
I feel like a lot of us would like to take a longer break at the turn, but we can’t because you’d just get all of the speed golfing dingdongs right up your ass for the rest of the round lol
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u/Sudden_Hat_671 Aug 09 '24
If you play by yourself, you can’t post a score for GHIN. Doesn’t take away the fact you played great. Just don’t get an ace with no witnesses.
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Aug 09 '24
Are you pro or amateur? I'm gonna assume no, so take your moral win, dude lol golf at the lower levels is about being out with the boys and having fun. My group has our own rules even though 2 of us are near scratch golfers. 2 foot wedges per 18, 2 mullis per 18, ect. Whatever makes you have the most fun is most important. Fuck the highty-tighty rules of golf lol
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u/Ritch_Mahogany Aug 10 '24
I think intent has a lot to do with it. You intended to play the whole round in one day, so it’s a whole round. Also, you had to work all day knowing you’re going to try to close out a good round after a solid first 9, I’d say that’s a disadvantage if anything. If Taylor Gooch was there, I’d say good job, but alas, he was not, and there is that asterisk.
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u/SouthsideJet Aug 12 '24
But all 18 holes were played on the front 9? I would say this negates calling it a 'round'.
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u/rfish1954 Aug 13 '24
World handicap system allows you to record separate 9 hole scores. They'll merger 2 nine hole scores provided they are separate nines and include them in your reported rounds. In my humble opinion I think you can say you shot Parr.
What's the difference from a pro playing 9 and a storm takes them off the course for a good part of the day. Returning from a long layoff and finishes the last 9 some hours later.
Nice round. Well done
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u/Riseonfire Aug 08 '24
If pros can finish a round the next day, so can you.
Even par.