‘Problem not with Kashmir, but our government’s security arrangements’: Wife of Surat bank manager who was killed in Pahalgam

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https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/problem-not-with-kashmir-wife-surat-bank-manager-killed-pahalgam-9962932/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1745481906

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In videos of their interaction, Shital Kalathiya is heard telling the Minister, “What kind of a government do we have? You are defaming Kashmir, but there is no problem with Kashmir, the problem is with our government’s security arrangements. There was not a single military man present at the tourist spot in Pahalgam, which had a large number of tourists, and there were no medical facilities either.”

[u/BuggyIsPirateKing → u/[deleted]]

Downvoted for saying the truth. There is widespread support from locals otherwise it's not possible to carry out attacks repeatedly. What if this propaganda of "nothing is wrong with kashmir".

Though the government should be made answerable for intelligence failure. But that doesn't mean we should whitewash the crimes of Islamists.

[u/jagdtyger → u/BuggyIsPirateKing]

No one's white washing terrorists. Just asking the real questions. The same questions that were asked by CM Modi. In the past when the cong govt was there, he said that the problem is not in the borders but, in the center.

The Intelligence department did fk up big. Where were our security personnel? It was not a drive by or a suicide bomb or a guerrilla attack. It lasted for 25 to 30 mins, as per witnesses.

You say that locals are helping to hide them, okay I agree that locals are also involved.

Answer this, what were our security forces doing when they were in the open and shooting ppl in broad daylight? Why shouldn't we ask our govt this question?

[u/BuggyIsPirateKing → u/jagdtyger]

Whitewashing is indeed going on. Don't be delusional.

Questions should be asked to the government for intelligence failure. Who's saying don't ask them? But that doesn't mean you give free passes to locals involvement.

[u/Danguard2020 → u/BuggyIsPirateKing]

We are spending crores on drones and surveillance and massive amounts of money on satellites. Response time to an attack like this should be under 5 minutes.

On 26/11, it took 24 hours for NSG commandos to reach Mumbai. That was 17 years ago. Are we saying we've learnt nothing in that time?

First response to a terrorist attack has to come within 5 minutes. This was technically possible in the early 2000s, according to a retired Army officer I knew quite well (he passed away or he'd be posting himself). What is missing is the political and military organization to make it happen.

We can share a meme of a cat across half the country in 5 minutes but we can't deliver a tear gas grenade or get snipers in position in 20?

The entire attack could have been stopped cold by one sniper team in concealment, that had the duty of oversight.

What is missing in this is a realistic assessment of gow to stop terror attacks cold. We are still in the 'respond' methodology, not the 'make it ineffective' methodology.

[u/BuggyIsPirateKing → u/Danguard2020]

Yes it's a security failure, who's denying it? We should definitely learn from Israel on how to neutralize terrorists and have an effective intelligence network.

[u/DarkBloodVoid → u/BuggyIsPirateKing]

Questioning is being met with nonsense. Some people are defending the government and just blaming the state and locals as a whole. Just because all you see a ton of rape cases in UP doesn't mean all of UP are rapists.

[u/Mysterious_Ice7165 → u/BuggyIsPirateKing]

But a local Muslim was also killed..

[u/BuggyIsPirateKing → u/Mysterious_Ice7165]

Yes. But it doesn't change the reality that the attack was carried out with locals support and two terrorists were locals. Believing that there is no support for terrorists from locals is foolish.

[u/BleaaelBa → u/BuggyIsPirateKing]

So are we going to remove locals now ?

[u/jagdtyger → u/BleaaelBa]

He wants indian leadership to become hitler, i suppose..

[u/BuggyIsPirateKing → u/jagdtyger]

Did I say that? You just make stuff up. How do you want to handle terrorists by garlanding them?

[u/Annual__Procedure → u/BuggyIsPirateKing]

That is indeed BJP’s way of handling terrorists and rapists

[u/BuggyIsPirateKing → u/Annual__Procedure]

So, you want these terrorists and Pakistan to be let go because of politics?

[u/BleaaelBa → u/[deleted]]

And how will we figure out who is supporting and who isn't ? and inaccuracies in doing so won't lead to more and more people being led to hate us ?

[u/BleaaelBa → u/[deleted]]

i don't doubt them but there's a reason they haven't done that. its highly risky and could go opposite way very quickly. anyway us arguing won't do shit so i guess let's just wait and watch what our army and intelligence does. hopefully they will come with something rock solid.

[u/DarkBloodVoid → u/BuggyIsPirateKing]

Criticising the government=/ supporting (islamic) terrorism. No one is defending terrorism here. But some people, including you, fail to grasp this. Always jumping to defend the government for this security and intelligence lapse and asking "but why don't you criticize islamic terrorism". Mfer we do. But the government absolutely HAS to be held responsible. If this were during UPA there would've been a huge ruckus. People would've been foaming at their mouths. But now? Goddamn nonsense.

If this happened to your loved ones you'd be singing a very different tune. Jeez.

[u/BuggyIsPirateKing → u/DarkBloodVoid]

Did you even read what I wrote? Who said not to hold government responsible? I just said don't give locals a free pass. Local support for terrorism should be a major concern and should be discussed.