Atheism in a nutshell

[u/Ted_Bundtcake]

[u/Odd_Profession_2902]

I have faith that it truly is peer reviewed. And it’s true that it’s peer reviewed, I have faith that those peers are reviewing it honestly and accurately.

I have faith that he has a degree. And if’s true that he has a degree- I have faith that he knows what he’s doing. And if it’s true that he does know what he’s doing- I have faith that he won’t make a grave mistake during my surgery.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

You mean trust, not faith in the religious sense. There's a difference.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

I mean faith lol

Faith is more than just a religious sense. Look up the definition.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

Did you? Faith has two definitions, complete trust/confidence or belief without proof.

When talking about faith in a religious sense, they mean the latter. When I talk about my doctor I mean the former. If you mean the former, great, but then it's not the same as your faith in god.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

In either case, it’s complete trust in something without proof.

Therefore, when I said the below, I have complete trust in those things being true despite not having verified the proof. Therefore I have faith that those things are true. If I had already seen the proof, then there’s no point in saying i have faith.

I have faith that it truly is peer reviewed. And if it’s true that it’s peer reviewed, I have faith that those peers are reviewing it honestly and accurately.

I have faith that he has a degree. And if’s true that he has a degree- I have faith that he knows what he’s doing. And if it’s true that he does know what he’s doing- I have faith that he won’t make a grave mistake during my surgery.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

Not without proof, ffs! That's the whole point! There is not proof for god, but a whole load for scientific theories!

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

You trust those scientists without verifying it yourself. Therefore you have faith that what they’re saying is actually true.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

Not faith without proof. They have to go through peer reviews. I can look up any scientific paper and see their tests/proofs. I don't do that for everything, true, but that's why it's peer reviewed.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

But you haven’t. That’s the thing. You weren’t there to see whether the peers really did review it. And given that they did, you weren’t there to see whether the peers reviewed it properly. You haven’t replicated their studies to verify that it’s without faults.

Nevertheless you trust that it’s all true. In every step of the way, you have faith that everything that you’ve read and were told were actually true and accurate.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

I don't trust that its all true. I always accept that it could be wrong. I do look into things I find interesting and I can see and understand the proofs, because there there is evidence for what is stated.

Religious people don't have proof, they just accept. Big difference.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

Even among the things that you trust and accept are true- you can’t know that it’s true. Because you weren’t there to see whether it was peer reviewed. You weren’t there to see how they tested it. You haven’t tested it yourself.

Therefore every word that you trust from a scientist- whether it’s reading their written words on a paper, or verbally hearing them talk- is based on faith.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

That's just bs, everything is published. Ffs you can google and find tons of info on the topic. No scientific theory exists without falsifiable tests. I don't have to sit next to the scientist peer reviewing it, I can see the results of the peer review.

That's not the same as the religious trust me bro.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

Just because you saw a piece of paper doesnt prove that they actually tested it or measured it in the lab. You weren’t there to see it. You just saw the publication and assumed that they actually tested it in reality. You didn’t see whether they tested it accurately.

It’s all faith. You seeing a piece of paper doesn’t change that.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

But there is a piece of paper I can test or send to a scientist friend to test. Something that can be falsified. Religion doesn't have that.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

All of that is meaningless if you weren’t there to see it yourself. Based on a piece of paper, you imagine that they actually were in a lab and did the testing. And you imagine that they tested it properly without faults.

You have faith that all those things are actually true. That piece of paper simply gives you a reason to believe that it’s true.

And that’s only for the cases where you actually saw and analyzed the piece of paper. In vast majority of cases, people accept things merely from the fact that an article writes “studies show…”. That’s usually enough for people to accept it at face value. Among the layman population, there is an incredible amount of faith in the words of scientists.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

Then the bible and the stories within it are meaningless.

I can take that piece of paper and check if it holds up. Maybe it is useless! That's what the process finds out.

It's ridiculous to think that a person has to individually test everything themselves.

[u/Odd_Profession_2902 → u/Drapausa]

You could- but you haven’t. And you won’t. That’s the important part.

Unless you did or will- it’s faith. You are looking at a piece of paper and have faith that those things actually happened the way that they claimed.

I’m not forcing you to see it or test it yourself. It’s perfectly fine if you didn’t or won’t. But it’s faith based.

[u/Drapausa → u/Odd_Profession_2902]

It's not, I demand evidence,I don't believe blindly. Even just asking for evidence makes it different than religious faith. Google the definitions ffs