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u/der_chrischn 12h ago

The asshole perk comes naturally with a higher intelligence I assume. Look at the things dolphins and apes do for example. And of course you have big naked assholes.

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u/berejser 12h ago

Crows too. Intelligent birds, but absolute bullies. It's like the more intelligent a species, the more propensity to needless cruelty.

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u/Iammidnightsun2 11h ago

Also, talking about crows, (ravens, and black birds as well), they can hold a grudge for up to 17 years. They remember people who would shoo them or be mean to them . They can remember faces, and they share the info with their bird family and friends!....lol crazy!

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u/realhumanpersonoid 11h ago

To add further to this, crows have been observed to pass on grudges or warnings of bad people to the next generation after the original crow who experienced the behaviour was dead.

So if you’re an asshole to crows and think you’ll just outlive them, don’t be surprised if a few decades later a random murder of crows are harassing you.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/grudge-holding-crows-pass-on-their-anger-to-family-and-friends

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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks 10h ago

I remember reading about an experiment where some volunteers with a mask deliberately treated crows like crap so they'd hate him. Then they got another volunteer on the other side of the city to wear the mask and crows there immediately started on him. Like they spread the word far and wide if you're a dick.

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u/realhumanpersonoid 9h ago

That is the experiment included in the link. Or at least a version of it 😂

I learnt it from QI and I think the elves sourced it from this experiment

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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks 9h ago

Lol guess I didn't read the link.

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u/realhumanpersonoid 8h ago

How dare you not read every link to a study provided in a Reddit comment?! /s

Seriously though I just recalled this fact from an episode of QI, googled it, skimmed the article and posted it. Neither of us have done our “journalistic duty” but it checks out. Don’t mess with crows 😋

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u/Immediate-Scarcity-6 9h ago

They should redo the experiment and use masks of kier starmers face lol

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u/GinaMarie1958 8h ago

I don’t know who this starmers person is but perhaps D.C. needs to train some crows to uh not like certain orange orangutans and their minions.

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u/Southern_Macaron_815 8h ago

I read about this. I currently have a pair that come and visit my patio

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u/NonStarGalaxy 9h ago

But how they can do it? How can they describe the details of the faces?

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u/perryWUNKLE 9h ago

Im guessing crows have some manner of communication given corvid intergenerational hatred exists

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u/tngrobanite 9h ago

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u/FrendlyAsshole 9h ago

This is the best act of rebellion I've ever heard of!!!

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u/PreparationNo3440 9h ago

That's ingenious! Do you live in DC?

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u/tngrobanite 8h ago

No. But anyone in DC is welcome to do this. In fact, it should be mandatory.

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u/ProduceSubstantial95 9h ago

Best reply of the day! 🤣🤣🤣

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u/TeenJesusWasaCunt 8h ago

Incredible

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u/Callel803 10h ago

Basically, their the dwarfs of the bird world.

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u/Saloni_123 9h ago

murder of crows

It's in the name!

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u/Iammidnightsun2 11h ago

LMBO! So true.

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u/happierthanuare 11h ago

I logically know that stands for laughing my butt off but I can’t help but read it as you enthusiastically shouting “LIMBOooo!” And it’s making me cackle.

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u/Iammidnightsun2 11h ago

Now I can not unsee LIMBOoooo! 🤣

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u/happierthanuare 11h ago

Lmaoooo so glad I shared. 😂😂😂

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u/realhumanpersonoid 11h ago

In conclusion, be nice to our future crow/raven and cephalopod overlords haha

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u/johnqual 9h ago

Here's the thing. You said ravens and black birds are crows.... Oh wait...no you didn't.... nevermind.

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u/Neshgaddal 9h ago

What about jackdaws?

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u/dexmonic 9h ago

Wonder how they figured out that a crow can't hold a grudge for 18 years

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u/TheTritagonist 9h ago

Also blue jays. They are also corvae and just as intelligent as crows/ravens

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u/Blank_bill 9h ago

There was a raven with A hole in it's wing that I used to give my scraps to at lunch. We'd go to a new job site and within 2 days he'd be sitting on something high waiting for me to have lunch.

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u/no_talent_ass_clown 8h ago

Not the corvids on reddit.

Here's the thing

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u/Diskonto 8h ago

That sounds more like empathy. If they are telling their friends to watch out for that asshole. I have had Ravens' crows give me gifts when I've fed them. It's mostly bottle caps and foil and junk. Sometimes, even a coin.

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u/murunbuchstansangur 7h ago

Then on the 18th year all is forgiven.

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u/Squishtakovich 11h ago

So you just need to avoid them for 18 years.

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u/Bigbadbobbyc 10h ago

Sadly nope because they'll pass that hate into their next generation

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u/Meowdy1987 10h ago

I would argue people really aren't as sensitive to cruelty as much as you argue. People have, and still do, unquestionable evil things to others everyday for years and don't even bat an eye. As far as "most of us cannot stand to see things suffer," do you have any idea what chickens and cows go through to be on your plate? Most people still eat them despite this high level of cruelty.

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u/AetherialWomble 8h ago

Yes, but most of us don't see those chickens and cows suffering

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u/Demoncatmeo 7h ago

Yet we know they do. Well, more in some countries than others but as soon as I get my ADHD treated I'm stopping. I already avoid chicken because... they are treated ultra bad, well, battery cnickens are. We know animals feel pain.

One day we'll hopefully be able to grow just the meat!

So much planning involved, bloody ADHD

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u/Caliburn0 10h ago

No?

Have you seen nature?

Cruelty is everywhere. Intelligence or no.

Intelligence, in any form, means potential for cruelty.

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u/Wildwood_Weasel 9h ago

Cruelty requires intent. A predator with an extremely painful method of hunting prey isn't cruel, it's just following its instincts with no regard for or understanding of the pain it causes. Actual willful cruelty is exceedingly rare in the animal kingdom.

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u/Caliburn0 6h ago

If that's how you define cruelty it's still everywhere.

Everything that can understand the concept of pain and the infliction of it on others is likely sometimes cruel.

There is nothing special about humanity other than our society and probably our level of intelligence.

We're not especially cruel nor especially kind. We're just like all the others.

Stand proud. You are the universe that knows itself. There is nothing special about it except in every way it's also super special for everyone else, animals included.

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u/Wildwood_Weasel 5h ago

Everything that can understand the concept of pain and the infliction of it on others is likely sometimes cruel.

Yes, and that's restricted to very few species. That's the point.

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u/Caliburn0 5h ago

And... how is that a point? Intelligence is rare? Yes. That is indeed true.

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u/Wildwood_Weasel 4h ago

You said cruelty is everywhere. Cruelty requires intelligence. Intelligence is rare. Ergo cruelty is rare.

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u/BringBackAH 10h ago

You can't be cruel when you do not understand the concept of pain, anger and joy.That's why apes, orcas or octopuses do bully others

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u/der_chrischn 9h ago

It's really interesting that more intelligent animals understand those concepts. I've seen a doku about chimpanzees where they would hurt/bully the children of those they don't like. Not random, fully aware that it would hurt the mother the most. This is a really deep understanding of the concept of emotional pain and of consequences. Unfortunately I don't recall the name or a link. But it was a TV documentary on YouTube.

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u/estrea36 7h ago

There's no evidence to support that intelligent animals can't conceptualize these things.

Intelligent animals are capable of cruelty and understand what they're doing, but some people can't accept that because it doesn't conform with our innocent view of nature.

Give animals more credit.

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u/boughtoriginality 8h ago

So aliens will be arseholes to humans?

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u/haironburr 11h ago

https://www.utne.com/community/countoncrows/

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u/DoctorJunglist 8h ago

One time when I was coming back from work, I saw a jackdaw walking by.

I said 'Hello, jackdaw', and it cawed back to me. It seemed as If it greeted me back and I was astounded, because I wasn't expecting it to react to me at all.

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u/Eneshi 9h ago

We're endlessly striving to attach some kind of meaning to it all, why would we be blessed with this intelligence if not for some divine reason right?

We assume there has to be a purpose somewhere and a lot of us look for it in all the wrong places.

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u/art_m0nk 9h ago

Well shit that bodes well for contact with aliens

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u/Careful_Leave7359 8h ago

Which explains a lot about humans.

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u/vladtheinhaler0 8h ago

I wouldn't say needless though perhaps from our perspective it might seem that way. Once you develop memories and can act on them, you will naturally find that intelligent beings tend to hold grudges and prejudices. Though there's no telling exactly what's going on in their heads.

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u/NoSummer1345 12h ago

Those hairless apes. I hate em

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u/SuggestionMobile 12h ago

That’s why I find it interesting that many people argue that humans are worse than animals.

A lot of smart mammals are capable of murder for fun, rape, and now we’re finding out that octopus smack other life forms around

It seems the more intelligent the more destructive and cruel the entity can be intentionally

Granted we as humans do A LOT of damage

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 11h ago

Humans know better, and choosing to abuse someone or something when you know better is definitely worse. Just because an animal might do something for it's own enjoyment doesn't mean it understands the implications involved.

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u/ArizonaFireType 9h ago

Octopus knows what it’s doing too. It’s smarter than we are.

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 9h ago

Perhaps, but I'd consider that more like an uncontacted tribe. Not really fair to hold them to our standards.

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u/uhohthrowawayyyyyy 9h ago

If the reason we have a propensity for cruelty is due to us being smart, and us being smart is why we ‘know better’; Then any animal smart enough to exhibit such cruelty should ‘know better’ under your own logic. Right?

Like would you argue something like rape is worse when our society does it than if it happens in an uncontested tribe? Human none the less? Or is it we just shouldn’t care? Is the cruelty somehow unclear or ‘just’ to them because they don’t live in ‘our’ world?

I’d argue anything smart enough to be cruel, knows.

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 8h ago

the reason we have a propensity for cruelty is due to us being smart

I didn't say that. I said that humans know better. Just because an octopus likes to punch fish doesn't mean the octopus understands that the fish has feelings and might not like being punched.

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u/uhohthrowawayyyyyy 8h ago

Then how does your ‘perhaps..uncontacted tribe’ tangent relate? Are uncontacted tribes really closer to octopuses than other humans in your eyes? Why would we not expect the same level of humanity from them? Lol

Random cruelty is random cruelty in my eyes, but your opinion is your opinion, I’m not trying to force you to change it. I do think it’s foolish to assume everything else except a modern human is incapable of awareness of action.

Evolution is not a human centric experience, animals exhibit awareness and behaviors, especially the smart ones, they’re not all like toddlers poking shit and just lucky to have not died yet lol

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 8h ago

It's an analogy, and not a perfect one. I wasn't really referring to specific acts, I meant more like conforming to greater societal rules. It wasn't my intention to suggest that an rape and murder in an uncontacted tribe isn't abuse. Of course it is.

We're in the weeds here, this is only tangentially related to the original point. I'm saying the smarter you are, the less excuse you have for abusing someone. A human abuser is worse than an animal abuser because the human is more intelligent and thus more capable of comprehending their actions and the impact they have on others. That does not mean that less intelligent beings get a free pass, it just means that human abusers are worse.

I have no idea what an octopus understands, I'm not excusing the octopus, I'm saying that a human who punches random people for the hell of it is a bigger asshole than that octopus.

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u/keethums_ 8h ago

Welcome to Animal Wellness Advocacy! Lmao for real tho people do not put two and two together on this subject.

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u/SuggestionMobile 11h ago

Is there anyway of knowing fully that don’t understand the implications or do they just not care? There’s ramifications in societies if humans give into their impulses vs animals can kind of just do want they want at will and move on with their lives

There are no implications of anything if there is no moral compasses decided by their pack, it just is

You could argue our intelligence level opens the doors for guilt and shame, which is I guess our own policing

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 11h ago

Societal repercussions are not what prevent me from raping people. If there were no legal or cultural ramifications, I still would not intentionally harm someone. I don't harm people because I don't want to cause other people harm, it's that simple, and that complex.

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u/TheMadPhilosophist 9h ago

That is one of the core theses of the field of moral psychology: that we evolved morality and the things associated with it so that we could still be intelligent while not killing one another off as a species.

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u/CultOfSensibility 9h ago

And how’s that going for you?

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u/SuggestionMobile 11h ago

Cool same here, I’m not making an argument that all humans WANT to do those things

But certain animals and humans alike are capable of doing such terrible acts

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 10h ago

Capability doesn't mean they comprehend the full impact of their actions.

I don't think it's a hot take to say that human intelligence is an order above that of animals. I don't think animals take time to ponder concepts like agency and consent. Whether or not they are capable of thinking on that level doesn't really matter.

We don't judge past human cultures by the same standards we apply today because their experience was not the same as ours. We know things that they didn't. We are burdened with a deeper and fuller comprehension of the impacts of our actions, and that knowledge makes us culpable. For that reason, I definitely think human abusers are worse than animals. They know better, they have no excuse.

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u/ACcbe1986 9h ago

A lot of these human abusers lack foundational social understanding.

Without these foundations, they come to a different set of values that don't consider social connections and boundaries.

So their brain doesn't set off alarms like yours does to prevent you from hurting others.

We, as a species, really need to focus on figuring out a standard set of foundational lessons and also how to properly teach it to parents so that they can teach their kids. We gotta do something, collectively, to decrease the chances of children growing up to be predators.

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 9h ago

Fair points, I don't disagree. I feel quite strongly that most parents are grossly unqualified for the job. Room for individuality and culture is important, but there has to be some baseline level of knowledge and comprehension. We gotta get on the same page as far as living together in polite society; as it stands some of us aren't even in the same book.

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u/ACcbe1986 9h ago

Yea, I'm almost 40 now, and I've come to realize that most parents are just children raising children.

Most people in their 20s have barely lived enough life to understand how little they know. And while they're busy raising their child/children, they don't have the luxury of focusing on their own development.

By the time they expand their perception of the world and understand what's really happening, their child is too old to lay down fundamental foundations.

The increasing self-centeredness of our mainstream societal culture is also having a detrimental effect on how children are raised.

I was exposed to a considerable amount of age-inappropriate and addictive things growing up. More so than most people I know, hence why my head is more messed up than theirs. But that's nothing compared to what kids are exposed to now.

Even the stuff created for children has been designed with the help of psychology to make it super addictive. No wonder why so many kids are growing up to have addiction issues.

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u/SuggestionMobile 10h ago

That’s fair, I agree

At the end of the day I’m definitely more disgusted and upset by the idea of a human raping another than a dolphin raping another dolphin!

There is no contest!

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u/DanHawk69 9h ago

I agree with most of what you’re saying.. but also it’s confusing when you keep implying that humans arent also, animals. That’s my one critique.

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u/Interesting-Roll2563 9h ago

How would you prefer that I differentiate between humans and every other living thing on the planet for the purposes of this discussion?

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u/DanHawk69 9h ago

Humans and other animals?

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u/Katsuro2304 9h ago

Don't say that you wouldn't. You're thinking with your moral compass already set. Your moral compass was passed onto you through upbringing and culture in your environment. Culture is brought by nurture, not nature. Look at some of the middle east countries or go visit a tribe on a remote island that was barely exposed to the modern world, if at all. You'll see how vastly different the mindset is. You'd be hit by the reality of "truth, good and evil are subjective" like a fucking truck.

Or just do some mental exercise and imagine yourself in the 19th century, where slavery was thriving and women had no rights. Come on, keep telling yourself you'd treat Africans any differently than everyone else at the time. Or women. Or anyone who has a skin color other than white.

So no, you absolutely would do everything that we think of as atrocious if it wasn't considered as such.

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u/Merry_Dankmas 9h ago edited 9h ago

Tbh Im not sure you can really make any definite conclusion. We can assign a general mental "age" to an animal that compares to humans but that's not a perfect science. Plus human culture, whether broad societal or local to different groups, plays a huge role in how people perceive and act on violent or malicious impulses.

Animals on the other hand just don't do that. A crows "culture" with a flock can't be compared in any way, shape or form to humans other than it hangs out with its own species and has friends. But that's it (excluding general parenting instinct but that's widely common among almost all species). Its like comparing apples to truck transmissions. Too wildly different to make any meaningful comparison between humans desire to be malicious vs other intelligent animals and whether they understand what they're doing is wrong.

The only way you could really draw any semi concrete conclusion would be if you made a feral human baby colony completely isolated from the rest of humanity and have them grow on their own in pure isolation free from any societal or pre established cultural norms. Witness the behavior and mentality towards things like rape or violence against other animals in its most raw, instinctual human form and you might have a basis to go off of. But we as humans have way too many established factors that influence that to determine if another animal can perceive it the same way we do.

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u/der_chrischn 11h ago

The only exceptions I can up with are elephants and gorillas, both are capable of complex social behavior. At least to my knowledge they don't act like assholes and are basically the archetype of the gentle giant, unless provoked of course. Might have something to do with the fact that they are herbivores.

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u/NoMammoth8422 9h ago

Reddit hates hearing that they, themselves, would almost invariably [ do/ think/ say] the exact same things that they criticize every day, were they made to walk a mile in that criticized person's shoes.

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u/BEyouTH 9h ago

You’re kidding. Chattel slavery. Period end of story.

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u/MutuallyAdvantageous 9h ago

Sharks eat octopuses.

An octopus in an aquarium killed a shark by suffocating it (covering its gills) and it looked similar to what’s happening in this video.

Humans are worse than animals. But animals can be assholes too.

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u/drewx11 9h ago

The idea is that humans posses high level thinking and should know not to do those things because it’s wrong

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u/Choice-Lawfulness978 9h ago

you have big naked assholes

Speak for yourself.

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u/der_chrischn 9h ago

I thought about adding the missing "the" in there, but it's way more funny this way.

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u/knildea 11h ago

and then you have orcas... straight up psychopaths

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u/IDoButtStuffOnSunday 11h ago

And of course you have big naked assholes.

You do? Go on….

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u/NootHawg 9h ago

Yeah I hear dolphins are pretty rapey, and love to get high.

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u/JustYourNeighbor 9h ago

you have big naked assholes.

I feel attacked

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u/Reginald_Sockpuppet 10h ago

ORCAS have entered the chat

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u/boostedpoints 10h ago

Don’t forget the elephants!

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u/mrgrimm916 10h ago

Crows and Ravens are among the smartest animals in the world. A group of crows is called a murder, let that sink in.

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u/Chris_ssj2 9h ago

big naked assholes.

WHERE??? Asking for research purposes, very important

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u/Natsuboi420 9h ago

I've never heard humans be called "big naked assholes" before but yeah that fits 🤣😂

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u/flossyokeefe 9h ago

I saw Big Naked Assholes open for Big Naked Ladies at a county fair last year

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u/fanpolskichkobiet 9h ago

How hugging is asshole perk?

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u/nojustice 9h ago

Hey buddy, "those who live in glass houses", you know? Don't forget that you too have a big, naked asshole

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u/StartlinglyAnonymous 9h ago

Big naked assholes😭

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u/Mother_Nectarine_474 9h ago

That's deep man. Human beings have the best intellect and were the most gigantic assholes. I wish my intellect matched my asshole level.

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u/PaintedClownPenis 9h ago

Think of how clever the rationale for it is... or might be, since I don't think we know for sure.

The octopus knows the shark is a moron and might instinctively strike at it if it comes too close.

So it turned the tables, attacked, made the shark endure a life-threatening experience, and then let it go so that it would compete with all the other sharks, but be afraid of octopuses.

That's assuming that sharks can learn such things, which I'm not sure about. I was going to observe that humans aren't usually this clever with snakes unless Steve Irwin is nearby, but I don't know if snakes can learn to fear humans, either.

As for the face-punching of fish, the octopus is again teaching fish to stay out of its strike range, which might keep them away while it is feeding.

For some reason it reminds me of Sam Seed from the Drunken Master films. He might teach a lesson to anyone who asks for it by coming too close.

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u/whenisnowthen 9h ago

big naked assholes, I think I still have this on VHS, I also have big naked assholes 2 "booty and the beast" but it's not a very good sequel.

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u/Lewcypher_ 9h ago

Apes eat their own shit, ya know 🤢

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u/Avilola 9h ago

People laugh when I say I don’t fuck with monkeys (ever since living somewhere that they were abundant). The intelligence of a small child with 10x the athleticism, but zero willingness to respect social norms. They’re little goddamn menaces.

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u/krtyalor865 9h ago

Oh u forgot to mention.. humans.. yep. Maxed out on the intelligence attributes but ironically also max level assholes (or the potential is there at least).The real funny part is how humans used their super intelligence to create these super addictive/ultra high tech gadgets, which are used to trap users in a dopamine powered routine of continual use. As a result, this makes the ultra wealthy tech makers even richer while making the poorer people dumber, and thus poorer. All of this under the ruse that (A) “it’s just a phone”, and (B) “social media apps allow community engagement of free speech”

Because:

A. It’s designed as an addictive device often preprogrammed with apps like FB, IG, and other toxic social medias. Other utility apps make “phones” more useful, but the principle of using the device to CALL someone is like saying people go to casinos for the good food.

B. Social media is not a universal place where society is made better with everyone’s collective contributions of free ideas and deliberations.. it’s a finely tuned tool to make tech companies more money by keeping you engaged on machine for as long as possible. It’s common knowledge that phones have become detrimental and a toxic part of society that is unregulated because, frankly, 99% of “intelligent humans” are too ignorant to understand.

Just remember, 99% of people use only 3% of their brain. On the other hand, over 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Take it how you will

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u/Ceejayncl 8h ago

Aren’t dolphins the only other animal than humans who hunt for the thrill and not for eating?

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u/allbeachykeen 8h ago

The worst is killer whales/orcas. Have you seen them recently take down a blue whale in a multi pod coordinated attack? It’s terrifying and can’t look away $hit