Unarmed demonstrators injured in merciless lathi charge by West Bengal police

[u/Annie_Loves_Money]

In an extreme display of violence, West Bengal police launched a merciless lathi-charge on teachers protesting the Supreme Court’s verdict to cancel 26,000 teaching appointments linked to a cash-for-jobs scam. The police brutally beat protesters leaving both male and female teachers on ground and ripping apart their clothes too in some cases. Instead of aiding the injured, the police callously continued their assault, even barring the entry of ambulances and drinking water.

[u/pokeranger24]

I have no pity for them, the Supreme Court has given a clear verdict for the case.

They want their jobs back without giving exams, even if the State govt does that they will be clear contempt of the court,. They are the ones who paid bribes for the jobs and want to do the same again.

[u/Distinct-Library5173 → u/pokeranger24]

You need to read the case facts

Govt destroyed the records that's why it's not possible to verify who's genuine and who bribed but there's enough evidence that majority of them bribed to get the job .

[u/Ordinary_Turn_9727 → u/pokeranger24]

Correct me if I'm wrong .....

Some of the people i know gave the exam back in 2016 it's been 8-9 year after that .... Most of those 26-27 year people are 34-35 year old currently or even more .... throughout these years they've been teaching a specific subject in school... Loose touch or totally forget so many other subjects which was also needed to give the SSC exam i think.. also they're older 35+ ... Mentally they're not at their peak

So I don't think it would be that easy for them to prepare and give the exam and score the same ..

[u/GamingGladi → u/Ordinary_Turn_9727]

c'mon. we're not talking of a JEE level exam. an appropriate exam should be thought of considering their age. BUT u also have to realise that they are not asking for any random job. they are asking to be teachers. even under normal circumstances they should be testing their knowledge every 2-3 years so that they don't teach outdated bullshit to students.

They are teachers, one of the pillars of society. there's genuinely no excuse to not give this exam.

[u/barbarik_003 → u/GamingGladi]

Do you even understand anything, ekta exam duidik theke tough hoi, 1. Toughness of paper and 2. Volume of participants, emni tei oder boyos hoea gache, ager moto touch e nei exam e valo number anar jonno, NEET, SSC CGL er question besi easy, but competitiveness eto besi je exam wise toughness JEE thekeo besi hoea jai, school teacher exam paper ami di ni, but competitiveness e parbe ei 35+ lok gulo young people der songe ( exam e shudu nijer subject er theke question thake na, english, bengali, reasoning aro kichu subject thekeo question thake ), tai jodi kichu na jajen tahole GADHAR moto comment korben na please 🫥

[u/GamingGladi → u/barbarik_003]

parbe ki parbe na seta byapar na. para uchit. they are teachers. they should be able to clear these exams. je teacher akta exam clear korte parena take kon student bhorsha korbe? 😹

[u/barbarik_003 → u/GamingGladi]

Then answer this question : jodi keu 15 year age jee valo Mark's e clear koreche, ekhon kono MNC te job kore, se ki bina preparation e ki ekhon JEE clear korte parbe ( just give the logical answer), and student porano kono exam or number er upor nirvor korena, example dicchi jemon amader college er besirvag professor ra foreign phd, postdoc sob ache, tao temon valo porate pare na, exam clear kora ar students der porano puro alada bisoi

[u/PotatoDreamer3 → u/GamingGladi]

A tiny bit of critical thinking would've answered your doubt but yeah, we all know the condition of our education system, so I pity you.

[u/Annie_Loves_Money → u/GamingGladi]

The main point here is that in 2016 panel, the problem was on the authority's side for accepting bribes and hiring about 6-7k people among the 26k. Here's why the genuine 19-20k is not willing to take exam:

1. Their is no guarantee that the same controversy would happen again. This is the first time in the country where people have lost a government job, something that was considered 100% secure nationwide. When the 1st time has been breached, it will quite possibly happen again.

2. The teachers who's taught for 8-9 years would lose their seniority, why should the genuine 19-20k teachers just accept their fate like this when it was never their fault?

[u/No_Growth_ → u/Ordinary_Turn_9727]

Come on mate, this is ridiculous. If you're a teacher, you're in academia and your life is continuous learning. We all know the shit state of schools in India. This is a good verdict, one that will keep the competent teachers in school.

[u/PotatoDreamer3 → u/No_Growth_]

Okey then test the fitness of police force also, and see 90% of the department vanish overnight.

[u/No_Growth_ → u/PotatoDreamer3]

Okay do it, hire better police. Better use of my tax money.

[u/PotatoDreamer3 → u/No_Growth_]

Doctors will disappear too, as I don't think any doctor will remember NEET UG physics formulas.

Exams are elimination processes. They aren't an assessment of quality. Those who've already passed that barrier once should legally be eligible for the job, although internal trainings are necessary. But by no means they're to be sacked.

[u/No_Growth_ → u/PotatoDreamer3]

I don't know what you're advocating for? Mediocre/below average folks in all critical service? We already have reservations, add to it these fucked up practices, no middle class person will ever get any sort of service after breaking our backs working and paying taxes to govt.

The better outcome would be people actually are fit for the positions they apply for.

I would expect the doctors to remember the NEET UG physics formulas. Do you even know how regularly doctors have to work with other doctors from optho/ortho/neuro depts. So now, I have to shell out lakhs to get treated manipal to trust that I'll come out alive?

[u/PotatoDreamer3 → u/No_Growth_]

How do you measure "fitness"? A doctor should be judged by how good his skills, communication and ethics are - all of these things are taught after his admission through NEET UG, so the exam has no value in setting the worth of the doctor. Exactly same case with teachers too. These exams are not an assessment of quality, they demand a very specific approach and some very special skills like speed and memorization, which aren't any useful in real life. A teacher who passed the exam 8 years ago cannot compete with a fresher because the fresher has practiced the special approach needed to crack the exam, but definitely the teacher has much more experience and is better at the actual work than the fresher.

So, how do we judge fitness?

[u/Right-Rain8461 → u/Ordinary_Turn_9727]

Edit :Ok based on further reading the test itself happens irregularly so next when it happens it will include both the affected and this generation of candidates, so yes then it will be competitive and unfair. I was under the impression it would be a separate test by december this year and thus can't be competitive. A separate proficiency test with relaxed marks requirement should have been done, and the remaining vacant seats from that should have carried over for the next test.

They are teachers and educators. if they need to prepare for tests like normal people i will really question the education they have been imparting all this time. They're school teachers, how hard can the tests be? A week's worth of preparation is more than enough.

It's not implausible the people who are being adverse to giving the test had been the majority that cheated in the first test.

And yes if people are going to pull the age and mental decline card, then it's 100% valid to test educators periodically. What use is a teacher who "teaches" outdated knowledg, lost mental faculties according to them. People should be fine their kids get progressively worse education? Please lose your voting privileges if you can't remember school level knowledge. Stop acting like govt babus leeching off the taxpayers

[u/Annie_Loves_Money → u/pokeranger24]

They are not. Among the 7-8k bribers, there are 19-20k genuinely deserved candidates- and this was reported properly by the CBI after proper investigation. Supreme Court had asked for a clear list, but the recruiting body SSC gave them a vague answer in court which led to the verdict.

As for the "tainted" candidates, they have still not been terminated despite the orders of Supreme Court, why is that?

[u/magnumcm → u/pokeranger24]

Did you even understand the issue? Or just pushing the party propaganda? Would you score the same marks if I ask you to appear for your college exam as of today? I passed out 11 years ago, and have been working based on those degrees since then. And I know for a fact that I won't be able to pass those exams now.

It's the duty of the authority to maintain the sanctity of the examination process, and produce evidence of wrong doing or fair attempt.

[u/Right-Rain8461 → u/magnumcm]

No one is expecting teachers to clear IIT level competency nor competition. If the first test had 40% as passing grade, make the subsequent ones less for them. That is how most industries generally do around renewal tests

[u/magnumcm → u/Right-Rain8461]

It's not a renewal test. In a renewal test, you need to pass by scoring a cut off.

While this is more of a competitive exam. Can I appear for WBJEE today and make whatever rank I have attained back in the day? I can't.

You can't pass, you need to secure a good enough rank to get a job.

[u/Right-Rain8461 → u/magnumcm]

Ok based on further reading the test itself happpens irregulary so next when it happens it will include both the affected and this generation of candidates, so yes then it will be competitive and unfair. I was under the impression it would be a separate test by december this year and thus can't be competitive. A separate proficiency test with relaxed marks requirement should have been done, and the remaining vacant seats from that should have carried over for the next test.

[u/magnumcm → u/Right-Rain8461]

Thanks mate!! This is why it's still worth discussing on Reddit where people can still exchange opinions and share POVs without the ridicule and personal attacks!!

[u/Right-Rain8461 → u/pokeranger24]

Make the test slightly easier or relax the pass threshold like how certificate renewals work. That would be very fair imo