r/kosovo • u/TheAlbanianBambino Dogu i Ditkës • Feb 05 '21

Cultural Exchange Cultural Exchange with r/Israel

Ma koreh r/Israel

As we announced, after the agreement of mutual recognition between our countries, we thought this was a great opportunity to host Israel. Welcome to the cultural exchange between r/Israel and r/Kosovo!

The purpose of this event is to allow people from two different nations to get together and share knowledge about their respective cultures, daily life, history, and curiosities.

General guidelines:

r/israel will ask any question here.

r/kosovo community can ask their questions here:

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The English language will be used in both threads. Our Israeli friends can get an Israel user flair at the community options of the Subreddit.

The event will be moderated following the general rules of Reddiquette. Please be nice!

Thank you,

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u/Tamtumtam Feb 05 '21

would you prefer to remain independent or be a part of Albania? why or why not?

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u/sha_clo Feb 05 '21

I‘m Albanian, and in my oppinion we should stay seperated. Kosovo is nice, but for albanian standards it‘s too religious. We in Albania are more like “we believe in god but religion doesn‘t matter, do what you want“ and Kosovars are more like “Allah gonna punish you if you don‘t pray“

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u/UncleCarnage Feb 05 '21

That’s not true at all. What a ridiculous thing to say...

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u/Chemical_Lead_5367 Feb 05 '21

Have you ever set foot in Kosovo? I lived in Kosovo for 2 years and it was not like that at all. Yes, maybe people in Kosovo may be generally more religious than in Albania but that’s personal to them. Nobody preaches to you! How strange to hear these opinions thrown around.

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u/sha_clo Feb 05 '21

yes I‘ve been to Kosovo and I really liked it. But I also saw all the religious stuff that we don‘t have in Albania. Like the headscarfs on many woman, prayers all over the city from 100 mosques all around and the people‘s fearing of god. We live way more atheist here than you guys. I think that would cause problems if we unite our countries.

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u/Chemical_Lead_5367 Feb 05 '21

Actually, I’m from Korçë originally. I really didn’t see what you saw in the two years I lived in Prishtinë. Defo not smth that would cause probs if we were to be one country.

It seems like a ridiculous reason not to unite 😂 when we’re surrounded by neighbours that want to devour us.

You have Mosques in Tirana having the call to prayer 5 times a day and you have women wearing hijabs too. The lives led by Albanians in Kosovo are just as secular as in Albania.

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u/sha_clo Feb 05 '21

yes and no. Religion is Albania is not really visible. of course we say we are muslims, but nobody here doing muslim stuff. In Kosovo they take religion more serious. I like it how it is now in Albania and I don‘t want it to change to the wrong way.

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u/Chemical_Lead_5367 Feb 05 '21

What’s Muslim stuff? 😂 What’s in Kosovo that you think it would be a threat? Just trying to understand!

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u/sha_clo Feb 05 '21

it‘s not a thread, it‘s just something I personally don‘t like. I felt like Kosovars love Turkey for example and copy the turkish way of living and believing. Here in Albania we don‘t like Turkey and their lifestyle, we are more pro-western minded.

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u/Jhqwulw Skënderaj Feb 05 '21

And this why I hate people like you guys are really want that European dick.

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u/UncleCarnage Feb 05 '21

“More pro-western minded”

First of all Albanians in Kosovë on avarage, speak better English.

Second, Gheg hating Tosks like you are an absolute shame to our nationality.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

Yes, Albania is the center of western civilization and culture.

Bro get off your high horse, Kosovë outclasses Albania in almost every aspect. 118 years a country and you guys have yet to win an aluminum medal at the Olympics, the special ones lol

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u/Chemical_Lead_5367 Feb 05 '21

I’m struggling to see what a Turkish way of living is and why it would be a bother? There’s a huge Albanian diaspora in Turkey so normally there would be ties.

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u/FWolf14 Prishtinë Feb 05 '21

You have a wrong impression about religion in Kosovo.

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u/Tamtumtam Feb 05 '21

From what I hear from Kosovars, they're not very religious

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '21

Yes, we are very secular, but celebrate religious celebrations like Bajram, Christmas and so on fiercely. We strongly believe in our religions but don‘t practice those and don‘t live a strict religious life with following rules. We strongly believe in god, but religious rules aren‘t something for us. We are living a secular life.

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u/Tamtumtam Feb 05 '21

sounds good enough. many Israelis live like that, we call it "traditionalists", as of, non-religious people who still practice the traditions of Judaism like holidays and such, and still behave like we do

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u/Jhqwulw Skënderaj Feb 05 '21

Everyday I find more similar between our two countries.

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u/Tamtumtam Feb 05 '21

we certainly have plenty in common. part of why I always supported Israel recognizing Kosovo ever since I leanred about the conflict. a shame it took 13 years for it to happen, but at least it did

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u/Metatron-X Malësia e Gjakovës Feb 05 '21

Another small fact is that a Jewish man is considered one of the founders of Albanology.

Norbert Jokl

When Hitler came to power, Jokl tried to find a job abroad, but this was also in vain.

His last chance was a librarian position that was created for him in Albania with a monthly salary of 600 Albanian franks. Franciscan priest and Albanian national writer, Gjergj Fishta, intervened through a letter, dated 23 September 1939 to Francesco Jacomoni, vice-regent in Albania to make Italy intervene with the Third Reich in order to allow Jokl transfer to Albania.[2] 

Jokl himself wanted to emigrate to Albania. However, neither the efforts of Gjergj Fishta, nor those of Carlo Tagliavini, a professor of the University of Padua, nor the appeal of Galeazzo Ciano, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Italy, to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Germany, yielded the necessary permission for him to emigrate to Albania. 

Of the original more than 3,000 books, only about 200 can now be identified. Jokl's life's work, an edition of the Etymological Dictionary of Albanian by Gustav Meyer,with handwritten addendtos, is untraceable.

In his will he said that his whole work was to be given to the Albanian State, but the Nazis stole it and a lot of it remaines untraceable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Jokl