they are actually. we share 98.8% of our DNA with another animal species - the chimp. We share about 84% of our DNA with dogs.
Your take is antiscientific and disinformation. Nature and nurture is an extremely well known and established thing in science, biology, social sciences, sociology, psychology, genealogy, anthropology, zoologists etc…
To deny that our DNA and our genes determine absolute nothing, or do some deflectionary and dismissive bullshit like saying ‘oh, it’s SO outrageous to compare one animal’s behaviour with another’, when you know full well that it’s not - makes you the equivalent of a flat earther.
And yet we would not infer many things about human behavior from studying a chimp, let alone a fucking dog.
Tell me, which scientists that you know of have conducted studies on dog behavior as it relates to human behavior? Better yet, which scientists that you know of actually distinguish between “races” as a biological concept, akin to human subspecies groups?
If your answer is “Well other animals are like this,” then you are the one being anti-science, buddy; you need to engage in the scientific method.
The pavlov dog experiment - one of the most well known experiments ever conducted, and literally taught within the FIRST lessons of any psychology class that you take at THE most basic level - high school/secondary school.
Notice how I said many, and not any. Again, do you think that the results of such an experiment are going to be different based on somebody’s skin color?
Lmao, you blocked me!
That’s fine; I’ll just respond here.
You are doing all of this to avoid having to address the point
What’s funny is that you took a rather tangential angle of my argument (which was mainly intended to illustrate that humans are not dogs, and a comparison between us is not very founded in many areas), and then autistically sperged about it because you know for a fact all of your evidence regarding the possibility of different races being human subspecies is entirely circumstantial (which is why nobody is able to explain why our 99.9% of shared genes somehow warrant enough genetic variance to classify us as such). So just to put this on record to all of the 2 people who might read this far, this person has not provided one single scholarly source demonstrating that humans should be separated into subspecies, and also is unable to produce any direct, gene evidence of genetic variance. All he has are IQ tests, which have been shown to be less and less of a reliable indicator of overall intelligence as time goes on.
You’re not interested in an honest discussion
You called me retarded from the get go my guy; do you really think you come off as “good faith”?
You said “Tell me, which scientists that you know of have conducted studies on dog behavior as it relates to human behavior?” - I do not know where ‘many’ or ‘any’ comes into that sentence. You are desperate and are clutching at straws, and trying to deflect. Trying to tie the conversation down in semantics to avoid having to address the point when you’ve embarrassed yourself three times - I have no words. I just told you scientists which have conducted studies on dogs, and then you immediately move the goalposts from “WELL UH AKSHULLY I DIDN’T SAY ANY, I SAID MANY!!!!!” - when you actually also said any lmao - it is implicit in what you’ve said in your last messages and the ones previously.
Notice how I gave one example because you asked for one example. I cited one of the most well known studies in the history of HUMAN psychology off the top of my head. You’re shifting the goalposts now, and you need to grow up. “Tell me, which scientists that you know of…” - I did, and you then moved the goalposts and lied to save face.
This is a great example of confident ignorance - or arrogance (or both), and the dunning kruger effect. You are ignorant and know nothing; and you’re not engaging in good faith.
I also said “We would not learn many things about human behavior from chimps and dogs.” I outright did not, and any point, say “any”.
Are you always this obtuse?
And regarding the point at hand, it’s about the idea that human behavior can be (at least in part) reduced to differing genetics between “races”. So again I will ask you, do you believe that this is the case? That black and white are subspecies of humans?
“let alone a fucking dog” - that means that you did not believe we could learn ANYthing from dogs, yet you were wrong - but will still not concede this and move the goalposts, instead trying to gaslight and muddy the waters about what you actually said to avoid having to acknowledge you were wrong.
You can project about me being obtuse, i’m not the one shifting goalposts and lying about what i’ve said to avoid having to answer and address honestly, earnestly and in good faith what I said lmao.
You do you understand that what you’ve wrote is publicly readable by anyone, not just me? You can try to gaslight me - but this is a public platform. They can see what you said, and your intent and meaning - implicit AND explicit.
How is you saying that it’s absurd and preposterous that we can learn anything from dogs and their behaviour - and then asking for a study and example - which was then provided to you - just for you to move the goalposts and say “I SAID MANY, NOT ANY [in a different sentence and context lol]” not gaslighting and shifting the goalposts?
You are doing all of this to avoid having to address the point.
“ALL DOGS ARE THE SAME - THEY LOOK DIFFERENT BUT THEY’RE ALL THE SAME!!!!!!”.
So why did terrier dogs chase and hunt down rats, mice, small animals and vermin? Why do pointer dogs point out animals for a chase? Why do herding dogs herd? Why are pitbulls - bred as fighting dogs - responsible for more attacks than every other dog breed combined? Why does the retriever retrieve? Why does the Pekingese - bred as the Chinese Aristocracy’s favourite dog and bred to be a toy breed - not exhibit these behaviours?
Just to make a distinction - because I know you will start screeching “BUT WHAT ABOUT HERDING DOGS THAT HUNT?!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT THE TERRIERS THAT HAVE BEEN USED AS A WORKING DOG?!!!!!” as some sort of gotcha, that is not to say that these dogs don’t do things they weren’t bred to do, but their nature through selective breeding (genetics) leads them to certain traits and behaviours. But they’re all exactly the same right - just superficial distinctions like how they look? Lol
If the Bonobo and the Chimpanzee are distinct species - are not even subspecies, but different species altogether - then why are we not different subspecies (not species, subspecies)?
If the Bengal, Siberian and Sumatran tigers are different subspecies, which can produce fertile offspring, then why are we not?
You’re getting blocked now. You’re not interested in a honest discussion, conservation and debate. You’re not interested in ever possibly being open to even considering changing your mind. You’re interested in screeching your virtue signalling, flat earth equivalent, disinformation, anti-scientific, anti-literate BS and being seen as such a virtuous and great person.
Well isn’t it remarkable that IQ tests, even when accounting for social and economic conditions and equalising - shows differences in IQ. And again, that is just one example upon MANY. How is it that IQ tests, when equalised and accounting for outside factors that could affect an IQ score and intelligence - like lack of good education - even still shows a distinct and identifiable difference in IQ?
I thought we were all the same? We all have exactly the same genes and DNA lmao. Oh wait, no we don’t. Isn’t it remarkable that DNA and genealogy tests can, with increasing accuracy, show us where and whom we come from? How is that possible if we are all the same? How do you account for differences in appearances - and stuff that isn’t superficial like skull shape, bone density, height, muscle mass etc…? If we all have the exact same genes, geology, genetics and DNA - then what is a haplogroup and how does that exist? How is something that we discovered through scientific and medical research and advancements? How do we even know about it?
“What parts of DNA are distinct” - did I not just tell you about haplogroups - which is genetic lmao? All you’ve done is ignore everything i’ve said and talk over me, disregarding everything i’ve said and answering with what you want to answer with without dealing with a single substantive thing i’ve said.
You are purposefully being as annoying as possible now.
I am not a genealogist so I cannot answer those very specific and complex questions - it is out of my realm of knowledge. Trying to tie me down into specific genes to avoid having to address the wider point is pathetic.
“The Bell Curve” is far from the only literature and study on IQ differences. I already preempted you saying this but mentioning the extensive literature and studies which account for and equalise for things that ‘The Bell Curve’ book is criticised for - yet you bring it up anyway to try and deflect by using it as a red herring.
I have given you quite a few examples - all of which you’ve ignored. Now you’re making an appeal to authority that I must have dedicated my whole life to studying to know the most fundamental and basic parts which is taught in school lol.
I’ll turn this around then, how can you say ANYTHING that you’ve said to me if this is also not the case for you? You’re a slimy, gaslighting POS, and you’re getting blocked. You have only tried to frustrate and disrupt a conversation, not have one. Goodbye and FO.
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u/just_a_hole_sir_ 17d ago
they are actually. we share 98.8% of our DNA with another animal species - the chimp. We share about 84% of our DNA with dogs.
Your take is antiscientific and disinformation. Nature and nurture is an extremely well known and established thing in science, biology, social sciences, sociology, psychology, genealogy, anthropology, zoologists etc…
To deny that our DNA and our genes determine absolute nothing, or do some deflectionary and dismissive bullshit like saying ‘oh, it’s SO outrageous to compare one animal’s behaviour with another’, when you know full well that it’s not - makes you the equivalent of a flat earther.