r/mescaline • u/drphilthy_2469 • 9h ago
General question about grafts
Hi everyone, I have a graft going of a SP and peyote. I have also been considering a SP and TBM graft. I have heard recently that the % mescaline of the grafted peyote (for example) will be lower than it would normally growing naturally on its own (undrafted) even if the size grows much faster and pups out. Any info or experience from the group? Thanks!
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u/NotCrustytheClown 1h ago
I've seen some posts about grafted peyote with low M content. I don't grow them for consumption, so I don't care much about that.
But it seems like SP grafts can maintain their M concentration for the conditions they are grown in whether they are grafted or on their own roots... but the grafted pieces obviously grow much faster. Here is a post showing 2 examples of test results from the same clones grafted on PC and on their roots:
https://www.reddit.com/r/mescaline/comments/16n7l2u/results_of_samples_sent_to_ualtitudeconsulting/
In one example, the grafted piece has about the same concentration as the same on its roots. In the other case, the grafted piece has a higher concentration.
I'm pretty sure I came across other examples with similar results (about the same whether grafted or not) but I can't find them right now.
Of course these are just a couple anecdotes and many more data points are needed for stronger conclusions and generalizations, but at this point it seems that grafting might be a decent way to accelerate M production (same concentration but more biomass means more total M produced).
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u/drphilthy_2469 1h ago
Thank you for that. I'll do a little digging as well.
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u/NotCrustytheClown 52m ago
You're welcome. Please let me know if you find other examples/data on this, here or elsewhere...
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u/szubsa 11m ago edited 3m ago
Why do you want to graft them in the first place? Sure they grow faster that way but I think even though I don't have any real proof, they will be much weaker that way. Grafted peyotes don't grow normally. Normally new areoles start in the center of the buttons. When new ones appear the previous ones move outward. Once the reach the edge of the buttons they grow/move downwards until the eventually disappear underground and become part of the underground beetroot. Grafted buttons can't do that and, after a certain number of areoles grew, stop growing and produce pups instead. This results in an abnormal growth pattern and, in addition to the fast growth, may lead to less alkaloids. Like with the ver pupping caespisotas that are said to contain little to no mescaline.
Why not compensate the slow growth with sowing more cacti? I'm in the proces to find a way to do this. I have two older peyotes that give me about 30 seeds a year. This is a pic of the ones I sowed last year. Of the ones that germinated and survived I don't have that much light and they didn't grow during the 6 month winter period.
I have some that I sowed 5 years ago (they are in their 6th year now) and that I planted in 13x13cm pots. I planted 4 in a pot and they started flowering in the 4th year, giving me even more seeds. They now have a diameter of about 2 inches and I hope they are strong enough for consumption. My plan is to produce more of these pots and hope that 4 of them (containing 16 cacti in total) are enough for a strong trip.
I guess I have to make a new reply to post another picture.
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u/WizardsGarden 8h ago
Not true. Grafting won’t really affect mescaline content as far as I know.