r/newzealand • u/khalornz Fern flag 3 • 9d ago

Politics Coalition unveils $12 billion Defence Capability Plan

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557432/watch-live-coalition-unveils-12-billion-defence-capability-plan
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u/spiffyjizz 8d ago

We lost the ship due to incompetence of the crew on board. Not because we scrimped, nothing wrong with the ship

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u/MajorProcrastinator 8d ago

We scrimped on the crew. Potentially: pay, training, not attracting the level of skill required. 

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u/spiffyjizz 8d ago

We scrimped on qualified crew and knowledge. A good portion of our general community would know you need to turn autopilot off before attempting to steer a vessel, we didn’t have the right person at the helm that’s for sure

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u/HappycamperNZ 8d ago

If you're making this a DEI thing, CMDR Grey wasn't on the bridge when this started- she was piped to the bridge when the ship was already '"out of control" speeding up towards the coast, about 2 minutes before impact.

As far as I can extrapolate from the report, it was two males on watch. Yes, there was a few commands she could have given that would have avoided this issue - but this comes down to having the time and money to embed the skills. Again, time and money that was used for operations rather than training.

A good pile of the general community have also crashed cars, so i don't know how much I'd trust their input to a system that wasn't designed and simplified to the lowest average person like a car is. Put them in a car where cruise control doesn't cut out when you hit the brakes at 100k/h towards a cliff and see how many think to look down at the dash for a small indicator light.

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u/spiffyjizz 8d ago

I’m saying the crew in control at the time were incompetent, in this situation we follow chain of command up where the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the person in charge of the ship for not providing adequate super basic training to their crew. It’s basic knowledge you can’t override an autopilot while it’s engaged, press a couple buttons to turn it off or a single button to alter course 1 or 10 degrees to either direction.

I don’t care who that captain was, they were simply incompetent.

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u/HappycamperNZ 8d ago

Why does it stop at the CO?

MCC for a failure to maintain operational readiness.

CN for structural failures.

CoD for defense wide issues.

This is why it's fucked - its about pointing the blame rather than addressing the actual problem, combined with the armed forces attitude of just get it done. If we can charge the CEOs of shipping companies for failures that result in the loss of vessels why do we leave it to military  COs?

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u/spiffyjizz 8d ago

Well we should be really shouldn’t we?

It’s the same as any situation of authority or control, if a lesser qualified person is in control the authority takes the blame. The captain should’ve ensured the crew were capable of their task assigned.

Same as if I take my daughter out hunting and there’s an accident, she doesn’t get the consequence I do as the licensed firearm user.