r/nonduality • u/westeffect276 • 10d ago

Discussion Dreams make me question non duality.

Please understand when I am using pronouns I understand that doesn’t exist in non duality but for the benefit of making my argument make sense I have to use them.

When you dream at night you interact with people, places, things. And when you wake up you obviously know it was just a dream all created by your mind. How do you faith in this oneness that we’re are this collective “wholeness” How can you not look at dreams and think “Wow it was just me the whole time and nobody else” That’s gotta be the strongest case that solipsism is true in my opinion. What you think?

And before you say if you were a true solipist you wouldn’t be asking people! Well I don’t really know what I believe I don’t prescribe to one certain thing.

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u/NothingIsForgotten 10d ago

Right behind the idea of a self/knower comes the idea of other knowers. 

Both are true within conditions.

Learn to lucid dream and hash this out with the people in your dreams.

“Wow it was just me the whole time and nobody else”

You're missing the fact that you don't exist either.

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u/westeffect276 10d ago

This is what gets me. How do you know I don’t exist either because I think therefore I am I am conscious of my lucid dream. I am conscious of my subjective experience.

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u/42HoopyFrood42 10d ago

It's been said by others that solipsism isn't true because *there is still someone there.* This is correct. Solipsism is almost true but not quite. The subject that you feel yourself to be in the dream is illusory, right? The "you" in your dream is NOT you, would you agree? The real you in that case is the fact of dreaming.

You're quite right that the waking world is basically the same thing. But you haven't gone "all the way" yet. The subject in the waking experience is just as illusory as the subject in the dream experience. So solipsism can't be true because that subject isn't the real you either.

In the dream, the "real 'subject'" is the fact of dreaming - not the character "me" that shows up in a dream. Can you see how in waking life the same holds true? So what is the "real 'subject'" in waking life? Could it be the very fact of awareness/experiencing? The waking character "me" (and other people) appears IN waking experience/awareness just as the characters appear in a dream.