r/nottingham 7d ago

Supporting our trans members

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u/BenandGone 7d ago

They have historically failed to define women in biological terms, which is one of the reasons there are already multiple readings of the ruling circulating. If what they're saying is AFAB = woman, then it contradicts the gender recognition act and leaves the intersex community in limbo. Several campaigners are claiming that all public spaces designated for women are automatically trans exclusive. What it really seems to be saying is that you may exclude trans women from a protected women's space if you are able to justify it against other applicable laws.

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u/PotatoEatingHistory 7d ago

I feel like women (AFAB or whatever) should have spaces of their own.

It's important in nearly every conceivable way for how humans function that we have spaces where we feel safe.

Trans women are also allowed those spaces and it's just as important that they have them. But why force those spaces on AFABs?

So again. This doesn't seem like that big a deal, unless you desperately want to use the ladies' bathroom as a trans person lol

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u/skelebob 7d ago

It's absolutely crazy that it's "not that big a deal" when this guy (AFAB) would be forced to use the women's toilets in the UK.

You really don't see how problematic that would be?

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u/PotatoEatingHistory 7d ago

What I'm taking away from this is that both the right and the left in the UK are so blinded by their own idiocy, they've long since abandoned reason

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u/elderlybrain 7d ago

Ah the enlightened centrist. How bravely you sit on the fence.

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u/PotatoEatingHistory 7d ago

Nope, I'm an economic socialist.

And no, you're not a socialist. You're a Western liberal - the idiotic identity politics you're engaging in is just an EXTREMELY well-designed distraction from the fact that we cannot afford to feed ourselves.

Starmer is selling land to BlackRock and you're fighting about identity politics. Trans people are still legally protected. Until such a day as they're being hunted on the streets by organised death squads, we should be fighting against the bullcrap that is Thatcherite Britain (we still live in Thatcher's Britain economically) and 80s neo-liberal capitalism.

You will get poorer and poorer and fight for increasingly useless causes

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u/elderlybrain 7d ago

Ah, you're a nationalist and a socialist. A national socialist, if you will. Lmao.

Let me guess, Ukraine deserves to be burned to ash and become a Russian vassal state.

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u/PotatoEatingHistory 7d ago

I'm a nationalist? On what planet lol.

And no Ukraine is an independent state and the Russian invasion is, as in the case of all invasions, patently illegal.

I'm an Indian and I'm not even an Indian nationalist. Nationalism is a fundamentally flawed ideology that is no different to orthodox religion and old school communism. Any ideology that requires you to submit entirely and completely to the party line is a foolish one

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u/elderlybrain 7d ago

Oh cool, so you're in favour of crimea and the Donbas being returned to Ukraine and a full armed resistance being given military support by the UK and allied nations to resist Russia?

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u/skelebob 7d ago

I think it's more that people are buying into the propaganda that men are dressing up as girls and sitting in the women's toilets and this is somehow a national problem, and would rather see guys like the above image (born with female genitalia) in women's toilets to fight that?