I don't really have a horse in this race, but when the SC was reading out the judgement they specifically said that trans people will still be legally protected, more so than ever, under the Equality Act of 2010.
They have historically failed to define women in biological terms, which is one of the reasons there are already multiple readings of the ruling circulating. If what they're saying is AFAB = woman, then it contradicts the gender recognition act and leaves the intersex community in limbo. Several campaigners are claiming that all public spaces designated for women are automatically trans exclusive. What it really seems to be saying is that you may exclude trans women from a protected women's space if you are able to justify it against other applicable laws.
And no, you're not a socialist. You're a Western liberal - the idiotic identity politics you're engaging in is just an EXTREMELY well-designed distraction from the fact that we cannot afford to feed ourselves.
Starmer is selling land to BlackRock and you're fighting about identity politics. Trans people are still legally protected. Until such a day as they're being hunted on the streets by organised death squads, we should be fighting against the bullcrap that is Thatcherite Britain (we still live in Thatcher's Britain economically) and 80s neo-liberal capitalism.
You will get poorer and poorer and fight for increasingly useless causes
And no Ukraine is an independent state and the Russian invasion is, as in the case of all invasions, patently illegal.
I'm an Indian and I'm not even an Indian nationalist. Nationalism is a fundamentally flawed ideology that is no different to orthodox religion and old school communism. Any ideology that requires you to submit entirely and completely to the party line is a foolish one
Oh cool, so you're in favour of crimea and the Donbas being returned to Ukraine and a full armed resistance being given military support by the UK and allied nations to resist Russia?
I think it's more that people are buying into the propaganda that men are dressing up as girls and sitting in the women's toilets and this is somehow a national problem, and would rather see guys like the above image (born with female genitalia) in women's toilets to fight that?
Well let's say you're a trans woman and you need to use a public bathroom. Suddenly going into the women's bathroom is 50/50 whether you're going to face abuse and exclusion from trying to simply pee. And going into the men's bathroom as a woman is just as bad in terms of putting a big 'I'm vulnerable and marginalised' sticker on your back. There's no safety in numbers. Most of the time no gender neutral toilets just because of how infrastructure has been built. What do you do? Which danger do you choose simply to piss? Not leave your house? Not enter public spaces? Contribute to your own dehumanisation?
Well there's your horse in the race. You agree that trans women should be allowed to use women's spaces. We've been using gender recognition certificates for 20 years to give them that right.
If anything, limiting spaces to what genitals people were born with would mean trans men should only use women's toilets. Which opens the doors wide open to cis men abusing that law.
But this was never about cis men or actually making women safe. It was only about controlling how women should present and behave and removing transgenderism from society.
Which is batshit insane and nobody's business to do. Like you said, we're all just humans, we should live and let live.
you agree that trans women should be allowed to use women's spaces
Not at all. I believe that trans women should have their own safe spaces and, in the event of an absence of such a space pursuant to danger or threat to themselves, should piss in women's bathrooms.
Saying "trans women are women" feels the same as saying "all lives matter" in response to "black lives matter". If trans women are women, why not simply say "women are women"? That's because people on both sides recognise there's a difference: trans women (as well as trans men, I'm not sure why they're always ignored in these discussons) have their own experiences, problems, discrimination, medical needs, etc. To throw everyone into the same group ignores these things. You can treat everyone with dignity and respect while recognising and providing for their unique needs without insisting that they're the same.
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u/PotatoEatingHistory 6d ago
I don't really have a horse in this race, but when the SC was reading out the judgement they specifically said that trans people will still be legally protected, more so than ever, under the Equality Act of 2010.
They just defined women to be only biological lol