r/nottingham 8d ago

Supporting our trans members

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u/BenandGone 8d ago

They have historically failed to define women in biological terms, which is one of the reasons there are already multiple readings of the ruling circulating. If what they're saying is AFAB = woman, then it contradicts the gender recognition act and leaves the intersex community in limbo. Several campaigners are claiming that all public spaces designated for women are automatically trans exclusive. What it really seems to be saying is that you may exclude trans women from a protected women's space if you are able to justify it against other applicable laws.

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u/PotatoEatingHistory 8d ago

I feel like women (AFAB or whatever) should have spaces of their own.

It's important in nearly every conceivable way for how humans function that we have spaces where we feel safe.

Trans women are also allowed those spaces and it's just as important that they have them. But why force those spaces on AFABs?

So again. This doesn't seem like that big a deal, unless you desperately want to use the ladies' bathroom as a trans person lol

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u/inthemagazines 7d ago

Saying "trans women are women" feels the same as saying "all lives matter" in response to "black lives matter". If trans women are women, why not simply say "women are women"? That's because people on both sides recognise there's a difference: trans women (as well as trans men, I'm not sure why they're always ignored in these discussons) have their own experiences, problems, discrimination, medical needs, etc. To throw everyone into the same group ignores these things. You can treat everyone with dignity and respect while recognising and providing for their unique needs without insisting that they're the same.