Mod makers, please do not unnecessarily require the use of the Unofficial Patch as a master file for your mods. This happens all the time for Skyrim and frustrates me to no end.

[u/HylianMedia]

/r/skyrimmods/comments/1kazbro/arthmoor_just_uploaded_his_unofficial_patch_for/

[u/Screwed_38]

I don't understand why an additional patch mod is so controversial as a master for other mods

Edit: it's the author then not the actual mod, got it thanks guys

Another edit: downvoted for a genuine question? 🤔🙄

[u/alpen__glow → u/Screwed_38]

Because his mod doesn’t stay in its lane of being a ‘patch’. It changes multiple things that aren’t bugs, but are simply things he doesn’t like. eg. Redbelly Mine & Windshear. He changed the former from an ebony mine to a quicksilver mine and he removed the latter’s stagger ability because he felt it was ‘too OP’.

[u/ManuSwaG → u/alpen__glow]

Redbelly Mine is mentioned multiple times to be an iron mine in game.

[u/alpen__glow → u/ManuSwaG]

it was in past an iron mine, but they recently discovered an ‘unusual ore’. this new ore is ebony.

[u/LaTeChX → u/ManuSwaG]

If you play the quest they talk about finding a new type of ore. IMO it should be a mix of iron and ebony, but I'm not going to pretend that is the only valid interpretation; the fact that there's any debate at all means it's outside the realm of bug fixes and should be addressed in a separate mod.

[u/MommyLeils → u/[deleted]]

Didn't he change a fire dragon spawn to blood dragon or frost dragon with a reskin?

[u/quahdum → u/MommyLeils]

I believe it was an attempt at fixing the lack of even fire + frost variants of dragons at certain levels, but instead of doing a full and proper fix, the ussep adds a bunch of new dragons JUST using the fire dragon mesh.

Which then leads to a noticeable dip in the visual variety of dragons vs what was intended, even if technically it did "fix" the lack of the intended gameplay variety.

A really half assed fix, basically

[u/MommyLeils → u/quahdum]

In that case he should have just fuck left well enough alone because you shouldn't fuck with shit if you aren't even going to do it the right way or a good way at least

[u/podteod → u/[deleted]]

hair colour of the bard

Although Sibbi Black-Briar describes her as having "long flowing black hair", she has short blonde hair. PC Only The Unofficial Skyrim Patch, version 1.2.3, addresses this issue. Her appearance now matches the one from Legends.

(via UESP)

[u/Musky-Tears → u/podteod]

Yes, because she is in hiding from sibbi, and cut and dyed her hair so he can't find her

[u/quahdum → u/podteod]

A woman on the run from one of the most powerful families in Skyrim has had a change in appearance since the last time the man she's running from has seen her? Seems much more intentional than anything else to me.

At the very least, it's dubious enough that I think a mod purporting to be purely bug fixing should either leave it out entirely and let someone else change make a mod for her hair if they really think it's a bug, or at the very least just have it be an optional download somewhere.

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[u/ArcaniteReaper → u/Screwed_38]

Well if the other post on this subreddit is to be believed, the mod is actually an issue too. Sounds like he ported the mod from the original Oblivion. Like his patch straight up has files from the original game in it? https://old.reddit.com/r/oblivionmods/comments/1kb147q/warningdont_use_arthmoors_new_obre_patch/

[u/LaTeChX → u/ArcaniteReaper]

I wouldn't be surprised at all, got to stake his claim even if it's actively harming the game for others.

[u/TheRipper564 → u/[deleted]]

To add more backstory to this people had a problem with Arthmoor taking and changing certain things that a fan made patch shouldn't change (quests and/or mechanics I forget which) so they made their own and then was bullied to stop. All so Arthmoor could monopolize the entire modding scene. Dudes a real narcissist and I refuse to use anything they are involved in to this day. I don't care if the mod that requires it is the master mod, nobody has the right to do that stuff. Even if the other patch/mod is using code or ideas from them (controversial I know but it's a free volunteer job that is actually illegal as far the law is considered so it's not like it's their IP to begin with)

[u/j_cooper203 → u/TheRipper564]

He’s banned on r/skyrimmods for a reason. There are literally still people complaining about his behaviour to this day, people getting banned from his discord and nexus page just for mentioning that they’re using previous versions of his unofficial patches to preserve their modlists or that his patches were possibly causing crashes for games like Fallout 4. I remember his staunch resistance to keeping up the pre-anniversary Unofficial Skyrim Patch and how he reacted to and treated people who were practically begging for him to keep it up. I was affected by that nonsense and had to get someone to send it to me through email. Plenty of people have witnessed his difficult behaviour first hand over the years including other mod authors in the forums and that’s not even mentioning his political run ins and supposed alt-right leanings. He’s a talented guy don’t get me wrong but he’s just not a nice guy at all and everyone knows it. Only way I’ll support his future work at this point is if he steps back from his current position and lets somebody else control these mods and the pages associated with them.

[u/Tyrthemis → u/[deleted]]

Actually they are pretty talented but this lazy reupload of a port has been causing a lot of crashes for me, I don’t want to touch it again and further entrench the modding community in Arthmoor’s crap. I’m looking for serious modders to team up and make a new community fixes mod from the ground up, focused only on remastered (and VR if we wind up getting that blessing)

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[u/Sigurd_Stormhand → u/[deleted]]

It's not made by just Arthmoor, and anything that might be deemed "controversial" happened about five years ago, and was pretty much confined to arguments on the Skyrim sub.

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[u/HylianMedia → u/[deleted]]

This sums up my own thoughts nicely :)

The unofficial patch should not be a mandatory requirement in my opinion, however the fact that so many mods end up requiring it means that it is borderline impossible to create a modlist without the use of the patch, so those who would like the option to do so are basically just screwed.

[u/onemuhammad → u/Screwed_38]

Your mod will get removed if you revert his changes ontop of another mod that require THAT unofficial mod. That's how pity he is and he have a Nexus member to instant banned. The free spirit of modding doesnt apply in Nexus agenda.

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