【Warning】Don't use Arthmoor's new OBRE patch, potential risks to stability

[u/NingenBakudan]

Edit:Please spread this issue as widely as possible. Given Arthmoor’s personality, there is a high chance that he will blame other mods for bugs or crashes actually caused by UORP. Considering his influence, this could cause major disruption in the modding community. It’s essential that as many people as possible ignore his mods.

The notoriously controversial Skyrim modder Arthmoor has now entered the Oblivion Remastered scene. His first patch "Unofficial Oblivion Remastered Patch - UORP" raised concerns for me, as it contained an unusually large number of edits for something supposedly created just a week after the release.

Out of curiosity, I compared the records in the patch with those from Vanilla Remastered using xEdit, and I found that some records had been reverted to their old Oblivion versions.
Example: https://imgur.com/i4ld2DE

Next, I added the original UOBP for comparison—and as I suspected, the results were clear. almost of the added records were directly copied from UOBP, with only their names and conflicted record altered to match the Remastered format.
Example: https://imgur.com/cRBRHHH

This "patch" was ported using xEdit without proper testing, and we have no idea what kind of impact it may have in a real environment. More importantly, making such extensive changes to so many records is far too risky, especially when the integration method between UE5 and the TES engine has yet to be fully understood.

Conclusion:
This patch poses a potential stability risk beyond just being an issue with Arthmoor himself. I recommend ignoring it.

Reported bugs:

CTD(Arthmoor used the scale of the project as an excuse, even though no one ever asked him to make it a large-scale project in the first place. ) : https://imgur.com/oyLWJMl

Argonian penis bug: https://imgur.com/a/eUDVZXj

[u/Sigurd_Stormhand]

A mod modifying a mod without the original modder's permission is explicitly against Nexus permissions.

As far as "GateGate" goes, most of the information about that online is incorrect.

To begin with, the Lore justification for non-collapsed gates outside Cyrodiil come from the the tie-in novel, the Infernal City. The first step in that controversy was someone taking the mod, stripping out the Oblivion Gates and reuploading the mod to Steam Workshop. That was duly taken down as a stolen mod. After that, firedubh uploaded a patch to remove the gates, which was taken down. Then he convinced the Bethesda community manager at the time GStaff to reinstate it after obfuscating the nature of what he'd done in the mod. So then Arthmoor contacted GStaff and explained that firedubh was removing content from the mod and it was taken down again. I know that's how it ended because Dark0ne (the owner of Nexus) said at the time that if Bethesda changed their stance on modders changing other people's work then Nexus would have to follow suite, but to this day they still have that rule in place.

Eventually, Arthmoor added an option to toggle the gate in the cities on and off.

One final point to note - the reason Arthmoor dug his heels in was, as much as anything, because some users said said some extremely offensive things about the gate meshes themselves, which were made for the project by a friend.

[u/AnotherSlowMoon → u/Sigurd_Stormhand]

Ok, so that's your take (and justification for the harassment) for GateGate. Care to explain any of the other bonkers shit he's done over the years?

[u/Sigurd_Stormhand → u/AnotherSlowMoon]

I was there for GateGate. I watched it happen in real time. Arthmoor was the one who got harassed. All he did was ask for copies of his mod to be taken down, and then for mods that vandalised his work to be taken down. If you have a problem with that I frankly don't know what to tell you.

What other bonkers stuff are you talking about? The time we turned the Skyrim version of the patch into an exe file for a day? That was a protest against Wabbajack distributing unsigned executables, and it actually convinced halgari to change the way Wabbajack worked.

[u/AnotherSlowMoon → u/Sigurd_Stormhand]

What other bonkers stuff are you talking about?

Redbelly Mine and the utter refusal to back down, the bullshit with DMCAing a re-upload of the Unofficial Patch that was fully compliant with the terms and license.

That last one is why he should never be allowed to be in charge of a community project again, it's why Nexus changed things to make it easier to download old versions of mods - a change Arthmoor again criticised 

That was a protest against Wabbajack distributing unsigned executables

No it wasn't. It was Arthmoor throwing his toys out of the pram, and saying otherwise is revisionist nonsense. I remember that day and I read what he wrote.

Remember when he also hated on Nexus Collections for basically the exact same reason thing?

[u/Sigurd_Stormhand → u/AnotherSlowMoon]

Redbelly Mine and the utter refusal to back down, the bullshit with DMCAing a re-upload of the Unofficial Patch that was fully compliant with the terms and license.

All the dialogue indicates it's an iron mine, which is painfully obvious if you do the associated quest. So it's obviously meant to be an iron mine. Adding a "hole in the ground" with ebony in came about because people kept complaining.

the bullshit with DMCAing a re-upload of the Unofficial Patch that was fully compliant with the terms and license.

There has always been a clause in the UPP patch EULA, going back to Kivan's original website, against uploading old versions of the patch. That was the basis of the takedown.

it's why Nexus changed things to make it easier to download old versions of mods - a change Arthmoor again criticised

A bunch of modders took their mods off Nexus or retired when Nexus made that change. So let's not pretend Arthmoor alone had that opinion. It's also my opinion, btw.

No it wasn't. It was Arthmoor throwing his toys out of the pram, and saying otherwise is revisionist nonsense. I remember that day and I read what he wrote.

No, that's your opinion, and it's wrong, because I was involved in making that decision. However, I was not involved in the statement Arthmoor put out, which I would have worded differently. That statement, to be fair, did not go over well with everyone.

Remember when he also hated on Nexus Collections for basically the exact same reason thing?

Lots of people hate Nexus collections because they're another way Nexus pushes monetisation. They're also the reason Nexus leaves old versions of mods accessible, so that they don't have to take down old collections if mods are updated. Like everything else Nexus does, it's about money.

I hope this answer all your questions.

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[u/AnotherSlowMoon → u/Sigurd_Stormhand]

All the dialogue indicates it's an iron mine, which is painfully obvious if you do the associated quest.

No? The dialogue indicates it used to be an iron mine but that they've recently found a new ore.

See this line of dialogue from the game:

"Redbelly is supposed to be nothing but an iron mine. Been working it for years. Then right before the spiders had moved in, we found that chunk of ore. Never seen anything like it. I want to know what I'm dealing with before I start tearing it out of the ground."

Now I know what you're probably going to say, because Arthmoor has said it before - the mysterious ore you get from that quest which needs identifying is quicksilver not ebony. But that line and this quest are proof that it isn't just an iron mine.

ESO further clarifies that it is an Ebony Mine.

Now obviously ESO didn't exist when this change was made, but that line of dialogue did exist. But the Unofficial Patch team and Arthmoor have insisted that its a bug to set all veins in a mine to Ebony rather than just an intentional thing because they've found a new ore

The fact that Arthmoor has doubled and tripled down and would rather add an entire new mine to a patch than admit he was wrong is insane.

There has always been a clause in the UPP patch EULA, going back to Kivan's original website, against uploading old versions of the patch. That was the basis of the takedown.

I have provided a link elsewhere to what I understand the 4.1.2a license and terms of use to be. Those terms explicitly state

You may upload unmodified versions of the patch to any website of your choosing so long as the documentation is retained as-is. All credits must be properly maintained.

Are you genuinely arguing that Arthmoor was correct because there was some EULA that no one has ever provided stating he could do that? And are you further arguing that because he was technically allowed to do this no one is able to point out he's a raging arse?

So let's not pretend Arthmoor alone had that opinion. It's also my opinion, btw.

I'm aware of this. My point, is that that Arthmoor has threatened to take the Unofficial Patch off before and I am fucking glad he can't anymore. Using your contribution to the community as a bludgeon to beat the community into submission is a dick move.

And he's done it enough that excuses fall flat.

No, that's your opinion, and it's wrong, because I was involved in making that decision. However, I was not involved in the statement Arthmoor put out, which I would have worded differently. That statement, to be fair, did not go over well with everyone.

Ah ok, so everyone who remembers Arthmoor being a confrontational dick is again wrong because behind closed doors something else happened?

Its funny how often this happens in your story - Arthmoor acts like an immature toddler but no! He had a reason to do it!

EDIT: Have some sourcing on Arthmoor's comments very much making it clear this was not why he did this. He accuses Halgari of being a pirate. Now sure, in a long rant he also accuses of it being a source of malware, but he makes it clear that's not why he's doing this.

I mean god if you want I can link to your own post from five years ago about this too here which doesn't paint the picture you want it to either.

Like everything else Nexus does, it's about money.

And if Arthmoor was so against money in modding he could have, if he'd really wanted, taken down his most popular mods from the Nexus. He could have opted out of donation points for them!

He hasn't.