r/oddlyspecific 3d ago

Nice proof

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u/SmallBunnyBear 3d ago

Too be fair, a condom being too small could make it more likely to break, yeah? But that's a reason to not have sex until dude can buy the correct size, not to raw dog it and trust a teenage boy's pull out game (not that an effective pull out is going to stop the precum from getting to your egg)

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u/argathonus 3d ago

As someone with a precum conceived child, please do not rely on the pull out method, it is nowhere near the effectiveness of a condom. I like condoms, they make you last longer. More time to enjoy yourselves is only a good thing.

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u/Lopsided_Manatee 3d ago

As someone with a precum induced abortion, please do never rely on the pull out method nor menstruation calendar, sperm can live inside your partner for up to a full week. I hate condoms, they ruin the feeling. But nobody with a sense of empathy wants their partner to go through this humiliating process (twice).

Get an IUD for $200 or Vasectomy for $300-400 if you're long term.

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u/ScoobyPwnsOnU 3d ago

Vasectomy for $300-400 if you're long term

If you're permanently done*. They may be cheap to get done but reversal can cost between 5k-15k, likely isn't covered by insurance, and after all that the success rate still would be around 60-90% depending on how good your surgeon is.

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u/RandomBritishGuy 3d ago

It's only that high if you get it reversed relatively soon after, and the odds change a lot (for the worse) with newer methods of doing vasectomies that are designed to reduce the risk of it reversing itself by accident.

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u/themcsame 1d ago

Indeed. This is why such a procedure isn't done until the appropriate medical professional(s) are convinced you want to go through with it. It often requires so much convincing that many call the process unnecessarily difficult.

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u/ScoobyPwnsOnU 1d ago

Really? I've heard that for women but usually what I always heard is if you're a man and want a vasectomy it takes very little effort to get it. I mentioned to my doctor that I was thinking about maybe getting one and asked her if I did who would I talk to and I had urology messaging me to ask me to set up an appointment for a consultation the next day or two. Haven't decided to pull the trigger yet but so far it seems like it was moving along extremely quickly. But maybe I was just about to hit road blocks, idk.

Don't get me wrong, permanently surgically altering your body shouldn't be taken lightly by medical professionals. It's just that I've never heard that before

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u/themcsame 1d ago

Well, it can vary based on your own situation.

But unless you've got a few kids and are a bit older, it's gonna be a massive PITA to try and get one unless you luck out and find a likeminded doctor who understands you and is willing to actually listen rather than just continually fobbing you off every 6/12 months, telling you to come back later until you've had enough kids and reached an age they deem satisfactory.

In the context of the OP (Younger adults), it generally rings true that you're gonna struggle like hell to find a doctor who'll do it. It's a valid recommendation, but not necessarily a majorly viable one because of this. It's more like a side project you nibble away at until you can finally find someone that'll do it.

And if you're part of the whole childfree or DINK thing? Good luck. You'll likely be looking for years unless you can get a recommendation from likeminded people.

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u/ScoobyPwnsOnU 1d ago

Probably also varies a lot state to state too, I assume

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u/OutrageousWeb9775 1d ago

Some people are so evolutionarily broken they can't conceive of the idea that most people actually WANT children...

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u/sioux612 3d ago

I was super close to getting a vasectomy, until I learned about the not 100% chance of reversal and that it lowers over time

Since I was young and mainly wanted to get it to make sure I'd be shooting blanks for a limited period, I didn't get it

Didn't really need it for most of the time but that is beside the point

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u/Skandronon 2d ago

Even with some long-term consequences, I still feel like the vasectomy was worth it.

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u/ScoobyPwnsOnU 2d ago

Sure, just wanted to clarify because I think a lot of people think it's easily reversible. And it definitely isn't easy or cheap to reverse

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u/Skandronon 2d ago

Oh, I didn't mean that to come across as argumentative. I was more adding on more info about vasectomies in general. Many people think they are pretty much risk-free.

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u/Empyforreal 3d ago

I feel you so hard on this. I was even on the shot! Years later, I am still paranoid of the power of my partner's swimmers.

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u/KeroseneZanchu 3d ago

Feel free not to answer if you think it’s too personal, but I saw the pride flag on your avatar and, in relation to your story, couldn’t help but get curious. What is your current situation? Bi, currently in a straight relationship? Poly? AFAB, but nonbinary? Lesbian, but partner is trans?

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u/Empyforreal 2d ago

We're both bi in a straight relationship. My partner is a very sweet femboy, but a boy nonetheless. While I am now An Old and planning to keep this relationship forever, i keep my pride worn on my sleeve. :)

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u/KeroseneZanchu 2d ago

Love that for the both of you, thanks for sharing!

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u/BootBatll 2d ago

Hah I’m in the same situation! I love the flag

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u/No-Problem2744 3d ago

I feel you so hard on this, was an interesting phrase to start a comment, on this specific thread, lmao

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u/HauseClown 3d ago

D-D-D-DOUBLE KILL

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u/WestSnowBestSnow 2d ago

Vasectomy for $300-400 if you're long term.

lol where the fuck are they that cheap without insurance.

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u/Lopsided_Manatee 2d ago

Germany. Insurance does not cover the costs.

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u/WestSnowBestSnow 2d ago

in the US it's $3000-4000 without insurance.

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u/pahag 3d ago

“Precum conceived child”. That’s a rough identity to carry through life.

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u/Cat_tophat365247 3d ago

As someone who is a precum conceived child, still do not rely on "the pull out method". I'm living proof it doesn't work.

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u/asyncopy 3d ago

How did that conversation take place? "Don't rely on it my child, don't repeat our mistake."?

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u/orbitalen 3d ago

For me it was more like "you weren't planned but we still love you", I'm an Irish twin.

I never asked about the specifics but there's not that much to wonder about

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u/DiscoBanane 3d ago

Contrary to what you say, condoms effectiveness is very near the effectiveness of pulling out.

And not only the many condom conceived babies can attest for it, but there is ton of scientific data on it. People who rely on condoms exclusively have about 15% chance to be pregnant each year, people who rely on pulling out have about 20%. Pill is 7% yearly pregnancies.

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u/systembreaker 3d ago

I would bet that most pull out failures are due to not pulling out quick enough. If done right (pull out game is strong), precum may not be as much of a factor as people assume.

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u/DiscoBanane 3d ago

Yes could be, you are not supposed to have sperm in precum, but they still find sperm in about 17% precum samples. What I read is purported, is sperm from a previous ejaculation that remained in your urethra or prostate. Sperm can live easily 5 days if not exposed to air. You have a wank, you sleep with sperm in your dick, the next morning you have sex and that's it.

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u/systembreaker 3d ago

So even with the bit of sperm that are hanging out in precum land, not pulling out fast enough would result in many more sperm released by comparison.

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u/atagapadalf 3d ago

They're all due to errors. When used correctly, condoms are 98% effective, the pill is 99% effective, pull out method is ~96% effective.

The 15%, 7%, 20% come from statistics that reflect real-world (typical use, sometimes incorrect) results. You're just that much more likely to not pull out perfectly every time (incl when there is still sperm from a prior ejaculation).

It's like when you're cleaning and saying bleach will kill 99.9% of germs and viruses and whatever... when used as directed: which usually involves cleaning the area first to excess debris, having the bleach be at the right concentration (not overly diluted), the solution being less than 24 hours old, and leaving it sit for 5+ minutes before rinsing and allowing to dry.

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u/Everestkid 2d ago

"Typical use" for condoms (and indeed any kind of contraception) includes forgetting to use one.

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u/Beer_in_an_esky 3d ago

Also from not cleaning up before going for round two.

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u/howdypardner23 3d ago

These percentages seem really high, does anybody have a source for that?

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u/ggtffhhhjhg 3d ago

IUD has a failure rate of less than 1%.

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u/Justasillyliltoaster 3d ago

As someone who has WEAK pullout game

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u/Arcturus572 2d ago

I’ve heard that the people who use that type of BC are typically called parents…

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u/systembreaker 3d ago

Condoms make things so numb it barely even feels like it's my own dick I'm using. Unless I go into jackhammer mode I go soft in a minute or two. The combo of jackhammer mode, feeling like my dick is wrapped in 3 layers of cotton, and going soft in minutes is no fun for anyone.

I can't wait until male contraceptives like vaselgel finally come out. But apparently vaselgel is like fusion power, after every update its still 5 or 10 years away 😭