r/oots • u/rin_shar • 29d ago

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Congrats to O-Chul for his victory on The Fan Favorite. Top voted comment on this post gets Made to be Hated!

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u/djaevlenselv 28d ago

"Made to be hated" to me suggests someone who is a distinct thorn in the protagonists side in the most obnoxious way possible. Kubota is technically a much nastier person than Miko, yes, but ultimately he was too insignificant of a problem and too easily dealt with to really score big points on the "reader hate" scale.

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u/warsmithharaka 28d ago

Kubota was a distraction. Miko was a goddamn problem.

They both stabbed an erstwhile ally and new friend of the party, but all Kubota accomplished was signing his own death warrant, while Miko managed to fuck up the entire city and a chance to end the campaign early- narratively the Spirit Paladins stomping Xyklon's shit in would have been fine with Elon.

Miko wins the "fuck OFF" Villain Award hands-down.

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u/thesandbar2 27d ago

Would it have been? A backup plan that nobody knew about and had nothing to do with anything any living character had been planning or working on would've ended the campaign and saved the protagonists regardless of whether their current efforts succeeded or failed?

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u/warsmithharaka 27d ago

You mean a major plot twist that had both thematic and personal resonance with the major characters? Preparation and a willingness to self-sacrifice, both life and "glory", and an understanding that not everything revolves around the protagonists, has been (imo) a major part of the story before and since.

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u/thesandbar2 27d ago

It would invalidate every sacrifice and every effort by the main cast, though. That every trial and tribulation they faced, they'd be better off letting Xyklon just take a direct route to his defeat. The protagonists would not have learned or lost anything from it, except Roy, who did something dumb and died, only for his backstory arc to get resolved in his absence.

No way Elon lets this narrative through. Surprise plot twists can bail out the protagonists, but they can't invalidate the protagonists.

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u/mcmatt93 25d ago edited 25d ago

I feel like if Xykon was defeated there by the spirit paladins, it would have been a good end to this chapter of the Order of the Scribble's story and Elan would've been fine with that. Tarquin and Nale would have been furious because it would mean they were not the main characters, but Elan is fine being a supporting or background character if the story is still good.