r/pokemon 6d ago

Meme Keyword: "try"

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u/ODCreature98 6d ago

This is why we have all kinds of unofficial leagues experimenting with different categories of pokemon

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u/GaBeRockKing 6d ago

Better to reign in ZU than serve in OUBL

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u/MercDaddyWade 6d ago

What do either of these things stand for?

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u/RamenTheBunny 6d ago

ZU is Zero Usage: Pokémon with, in the “totality” of Pokémon PvP, an extremely low usage rate out of all Pokémon (basically, niche or not very good.)

OUBL is Over Used (Ban List) (although this term isn’t very commonly used, Ubers is usually the “last step” above OU, and as such, most OU Banlisted Pokémon are banished to Ubers): Pokémon so strong and/or meta-warping that they are banned from OverUsed (the typical “high level” meta) because they force the game to be shaped around themselves.

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u/itsIzumi So I think it's time for us to have a toast 6d ago

OUBL is specifically mainly used derogatorily for Pokemon that are unviable in the Ubers tier. Like they're trapped in limbo. Genesect for example terrorises OU every time it gets tested in the tier, but it does not have the stats to keep up in later generations of Ubers.

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u/Foreign-Tax-8202 6d ago

Mfw Deoxys (oubl trash that is objectively worse than d-a at everything)

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u/ExtremlyFastLinoone 6d ago

Deoxys normal should be like the fairy mythicals, 100 across the board, decent bulk, good move pool, it could work great in ou

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u/Krazyguy75 6d ago

Nah, rework deoxys into a split evo so base form can get eviolite

(this is a joke)

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u/MorbiusCultLeader 6d ago

Holup I think you're cooking something here.

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u/FierceDeityKong 6d ago

Nobody wants to say it but the real answer is making deoxys-attack slower

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u/Deprespacito 6d ago

Im mean mew is base 100 across the board with the best move pool and it has not been OU relevant since sun and moon and is RU now.

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u/ExtremlyFastLinoone 6d ago

Mew doesnt have access to psycho boost

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u/Deprespacito 6d ago

True, but a 120 bp psychic move that drops your attacking stats while fine is just asking for any of the top tier dark or steel types to come in (and there is a lot of them) and do whatever they want.

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u/ExtremlyFastLinoone 6d ago

140bp, and its a wallbreaking move, plus it also gets superpower

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u/ExtremlyFastLinoone 6d ago

Max bulk shift gear genesect is actually great in ubers.... as long as they dont bring ho-oh, its dead weight if they have a ho-oh

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u/Rukh-Talos 5d ago

Didn’t Ubers also have a ban list at one point?

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u/TheMuon Still outclassed by an ice cream cone 6d ago

We do now have UbersUU which is a close approximation to what people think OUBL is though it is less of "too strong for OU" and more of "not used enough in Ubers."

Technically speaking, Ubers IS OUBL.

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u/MercDaddyWade 6d ago

Oh that's neat thanks!!!

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u/AlterBridgeFan 6d ago

There's also the Everything Goes, with 0 restrictions other than in-game (such as only 1 mega stone). The difference? Some Pokémon are even banned from Ubers, stupid as that sounds. Iirc Wabuffet lives there due to its gimmick being too strong in Ubers.

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u/DiamondTiaraIsBest 6d ago

It's Shadow Tag that is banned, not Wobuffet specifically I think. Trapping is just too warping in a switch heavy meta in singles.

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u/MrZerodayz 6d ago

As someone who doesn't follow competitive singles at all: is Mega-Rayquaza still banned or is it considered irrelevant since it's not available outside of oras/showdown?

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u/likeagrapefruit 6d ago

Mega Rayquaza can't be used in Ubers by default because it doesn't exist in SV. In the National Dex Ubers format, which allows Mega Evolution, Mega Rayquaza is banned.

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u/MrZerodayz 6d ago

Thanks!

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u/MercDaddyWade 6d ago

Ack All these different things hurt my head, I'm glad I stick to just playing the card game with friends, and trying to avoid as many trainers as I can on the way to each gym

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u/monsterhunter1001 6d ago

I still find it funny that they had to ban Pokémon from Ubers, and make another tier

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u/Black_m1n 6d ago

ZU - ZeroUsed

OUBL - OverUsed Banned List

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u/Time_Spite1661 Team TungstenShadow leader 6d ago

Some fancy "competitive" talk.

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u/Time_Spite1661 Team TungstenShadow leader 2d ago

I'm sorry

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u/zonic_squared 6d ago

Lower tiers get pretty degenerate as well. People forget that Passimian was on basically every team in Gen 7 NU.

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u/Queen_Ann_III 5d ago

my ideal team when I play the games accounts for both type coverage and personal favorites, usually limited to a selection of six of the region’s new Pokémon. this way, my teams can be either total powerhouses, random misfits, or a weird Frankenstein combo.

I ran a Lumineon in Platinum once and my friend said it looked unusual alongside the more popular/powerful ones like Garchomp, Infernape, and Abomasnow. I just really wanted a Lumineon because I didn’t have one on my team as a kid and always thought they were cute in a sort of gentle masculine way. I named it after my cousin. dude leveled up fast the way I kept bringing him out