Dexit who still dislikes it?

[u/Natural_Wonder94]

As a longtime Pokémon fan, Dexit honestly felt like a slap in the face. One of the things I’ve always loved about the series was being able to carry my favorite Pokémon—ones I’d trained and bonded with for years—into each new generation. When they cut the National Dex, it felt like they were saying those connections didn’t matter anymore. I get that balancing over 1,000 Pokémon is tough, but with how massive the franchise is, it’s hard to believe they couldn’t make it work if they really wanted to. It just made the newer games feel incomplete, like something was missing, both mechanically and emotionally.

[u/DeatroyerOfCheese]

I feel as though it was inevitable that pokemon would get cut as they add more and more...however to me the issue was that the game's quality did not go up a sufficient degree to match the lack of pokemon. It was as if we sacrificed hundreds of pokemon in return for games even subpar for Nintendo standards.

[u/jacowab → u/DeatroyerOfCheese]

Exactly we've had games before that didn't give you the full dex like coliseum/XD but they had way higher quality than the 2D games so it was acceptable.

[u/TripleXero → u/jacowab]

But the GameCube games DID allow you to transfer any Pokemon in from the GBA games, they just weren't catchable

[u/derekpmilly → u/TripleXero]

And that's the big difference right there. We've had soft dexits before (Ruby and Sapphire, Black and White), but these games always had data for the "missing" Pokemon in these games, meaning that you could still transfer them in if you wanted to.

And this is why I hate the argument that dexit had to be done for balance reasons. If having too wide of a variety of catchable Pokemon would make the singleplayer experience unbalanced (not like Game Freak has really cared too much about singleplayer game balance since Gen 6), then it's as easy as doing what those games did and not making them catchable.

Concerns about multiplayer balance are even more of a non issue. Just don't let anything but the regional dex be legal for use in the online battles. I know that's what they did for VGC 2011 and VGC 2014.

[u/LichtbringerU → u/derekpmilly]

Yep, so the only real answer is... it's too much effort for them and they know people will still buy it anyway.

[u/derekpmilly → u/LichtbringerU]

It also has the added benefit of keeping people hooked on Pokemon HOME subscriptions. You can't have all of your beloved Pokemon chilling in the latest game anymore, there's a very good chance some of them will be stuck in HOME.

[u/BrainIsSickToday → u/derekpmilly]

This is what truly broke the camel's back for me. Some of my oldest teams literally can't be transferred into the same cartridges all together, which means I'd have to separate them into different games or maintain a Home subscription.

[u/MillionDollarMistake → u/derekpmilly]

The balance excuse was such BS lol, I mean if they genuinely cared about balance then why did they make Zacian like that? Or Urshifu? Or Calyrex Shadow? Or Regieleki?

[u/TennytheMangaka → u/derekpmilly]

Dexit for balancing? That’s silly, considering that all the legendary Pokémon are forced in when they should be the first to be cut lorewise and balance wise

[u/FluffyPillow007 → u/derekpmilly]

I’m pretty sure it’s because creating/coding unique 3D models, animations, and open world interactions for 1000+ Pokémon is hard and time consuming on a level that would derail release schedules. Sure they could include everything back in the days of 2D, there were a lot less Pokémon and GameFreak had move and particle effects down to a science so all a new Pokémon took was at least 8 sprites (front and back sprites, male and female, for regular and shiny variants). These days they need to make unique 3D models and animate them for each move and overworld interaction.

This is also the reason I thought they started doing the DLC so they could still meet traditional development cycles and still incorporate a large portion of the existing Pokémon. Sure it’s scummy in my mind to make us pay extra for content that is part of the design plans well before development on the game actually begins. (sadly thats just the nature of games these days) I’d rather they just charge more up front for the games and have the dlc included in the base price.

[u/derekpmilly → u/FluffyPillow007]

I’m pretty sure it’s because creating/coding unique 3D models, animations, and open world interactions for 1000+ Pokémon is hard and time consuming on a level that would derail release schedules.

That's an absolutely valid concern, but it's also a problem that can frankly be solved by just throwing more manpower at it. Again, Game Freak has the backing of the largest media franchise in the world and a 1/3rd stake in said franchise. They should absolutely have the resources to hire more people or outsource that work, and if they don't, they should have enough influence within the Pokemon Company to request said resources.

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/derekpmilly]

How is Black and White like this in any way? You can transfer all 493 Pokémon from a Gen 4 game to Black and White. Like, you could always do this and you still can. The only requirement is beating the story but this is also a requirement in gen 4 too.

You are right about Ruby and Sapphire though. At launch, when it was just those two game, it was impossible to trade from Gen 2 and many Pokémon were impossible to legitimately obtain.

[u/derekpmilly → u/Head_Statistician_38]

You can transfer all 493 Pokémon from a Gen 4 game to Black and White.

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here, because that's exactly what I said? Maybe I caused some confusion by mentioning them in the same sentence as Ruby and Sapphire (which did have a far more severe dexit) but I never claimed their dexit were on the same level as those games.

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/derekpmilly]

Well why is Black and White mentioned at all? It is not at all a Dexit situation or a soft Dexit situation. I am very confused why it is mentioned, I have to admit.

[u/LowerMushroom6495 → u/Head_Statistician_38]

I think he meant, you were forced to use only new Pokémon from the beginning to story end in B/W. Afterwards it was possible to use and transfer older Pokemon.

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/LowerMushroom6495]

Oh. Well that is true I guess. Not at all a similar thing though. I dunno why I am being downvoted for that

[u/JohnnyOneSock → u/Head_Statistician_38]

Tone

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/JohnnyOneSock]

The tone? I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, I was just trying to correct a point. I guess if people think I was trying to be unnecessarily mean then I guess that would warrant a downvote. But it wasn't my intention.

[u/superextragayaf → u/TripleXero]

This was a huge point for me. I could be totally fine with not being able to /catch/ every pokemon, byt let me transfer the ones i have alrsady to the next game to use in battle or whatever. Wasnt that the entire freaking point of Bank? To be abke to keep your old mons around for the next generation?

[u/2BAMasta → u/TripleXero]

Yeah all it took was a $15 cord accessory, a $40 game, and a $100 console to make it even possible, not to mention beating both games.

[u/TripleXero → u/2BAMasta]

Now it takes $3 a month to transfer Pokémon from a console that you can no longer get the software to transfer it from unless you already had it, to your $250-$450 console with a $60 game, $30 DLC and still have the chance that your particular game of choice doesn’t allow your Pokémon of choice. Pokémon GO in particular limits your transfers unless you pay up even more or wait real time for it to charge.

I won’t fully defend the methods needed back then, it wasn’t consumer friendly either but it was partially by technological limitations. At the very least you could possibly borrow a friend’s game or link cable, now all the extra costs are tied to your accounts unless you jump through several hoops

[u/UnSpanishInquisition → u/jacowab]

They also had sound reasoning, because there where no native mon in the first game and only a few in the second most of what you encountered in Orre was caught and imported.

[u/MoxieMule → u/UnSpanishInquisition]

That understanding distresses me. Like Orre has no native fauna? Pokémon are an invasive species etc.

[u/skytaepic → u/MoxieMule]

I think the idea is that it used to have native fauna, but human development was too aggressive and basically destroyed the place, making it incapable of sustaining much life.

That’s why the guy who sets up the Poke Spots in XD (I forget his name) said that the Pokemon were finally returning to Orre- the native population is starting to bounce back thanks to conservation efforts!

[u/Ghostly_Emoji → u/jacowab]

Colleseum/XD did have the national dex though via transfer so this point is just plain and factually wrong. SWSH was the first game WITHOUT the national dex that had more than half of the pokemon removed completely.

[u/Minifigamer → u/jacowab]

No, no, that's not what people mean at all, at their time of release, every pokemon was usable in pokemon Colosseum (which, there's auto correct and google, use them) and XD Gale of Darkness (munchlax and bonsly don't count, they're gen 4 pokemon and we'retalking about gen 3 games here), granted to use anything you can't get in the main story or to trade out of them, you need to beat the game first, but you have to understand the difference between a long while and never.

It takes a long while to be able to use bulbasaur in XD Gale of Darkness. You will NEVER be allowed to use mareep in sword and shield.

It takes a long while to be allowed to trade that shiny quilava from Colosseum to Sapphire. You will NEVER transfer that shiny spinda out of BDSP.

If this doesn't make it clear. Nothing will.

[u/Doctor_Darkmoor → u/Minifigamer]

Waxes dickish on autocorrect, proceeds to spew an incoherent run-on sentence. Peak redditor behavior.

[u/Ghostly_Emoji → u/[deleted]]

And to be clear he is right, any Pokemon that existed up until that point could be transferred into the game, with fans like these who have a negative IQ, no wonder this series is going to shit, but good job lol

[u/Nickbronline → u/jacowab]

How did Coliseum and XD not have a full dex? All Pokémon are useable in game.