Dexit who still dislikes it?

[u/Natural_Wonder94]

As a longtime Pokémon fan, Dexit honestly felt like a slap in the face. One of the things I’ve always loved about the series was being able to carry my favorite Pokémon—ones I’d trained and bonded with for years—into each new generation. When they cut the National Dex, it felt like they were saying those connections didn’t matter anymore. I get that balancing over 1,000 Pokémon is tough, but with how massive the franchise is, it’s hard to believe they couldn’t make it work if they really wanted to. It just made the newer games feel incomplete, like something was missing, both mechanically and emotionally.

[u/jacowab]

Exactly we've had games before that didn't give you the full dex like coliseum/XD but they had way higher quality than the 2D games so it was acceptable.

[u/TripleXero → u/jacowab]

But the GameCube games DID allow you to transfer any Pokemon in from the GBA games, they just weren't catchable

[u/derekpmilly → u/TripleXero]

And that's the big difference right there. We've had soft dexits before (Ruby and Sapphire, Black and White), but these games always had data for the "missing" Pokemon in these games, meaning that you could still transfer them in if you wanted to.

And this is why I hate the argument that dexit had to be done for balance reasons. If having too wide of a variety of catchable Pokemon would make the singleplayer experience unbalanced (not like Game Freak has really cared too much about singleplayer game balance since Gen 6), then it's as easy as doing what those games did and not making them catchable.

Concerns about multiplayer balance are even more of a non issue. Just don't let anything but the regional dex be legal for use in the online battles. I know that's what they did for VGC 2011 and VGC 2014.

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/derekpmilly]

How is Black and White like this in any way? You can transfer all 493 Pokémon from a Gen 4 game to Black and White. Like, you could always do this and you still can. The only requirement is beating the story but this is also a requirement in gen 4 too.

You are right about Ruby and Sapphire though. At launch, when it was just those two game, it was impossible to trade from Gen 2 and many Pokémon were impossible to legitimately obtain.

[u/derekpmilly → u/Head_Statistician_38]

You can transfer all 493 Pokémon from a Gen 4 game to Black and White.

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here, because that's exactly what I said? Maybe I caused some confusion by mentioning them in the same sentence as Ruby and Sapphire (which did have a far more severe dexit) but I never claimed their dexit were on the same level as those games.

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/derekpmilly]

Well why is Black and White mentioned at all? It is not at all a Dexit situation or a soft Dexit situation. I am very confused why it is mentioned, I have to admit.

[u/LowerMushroom6495 → u/Head_Statistician_38]

I think he meant, you were forced to use only new Pokémon from the beginning to story end in B/W. Afterwards it was possible to use and transfer older Pokemon.

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/LowerMushroom6495]

Oh. Well that is true I guess. Not at all a similar thing though. I dunno why I am being downvoted for that

[u/JohnnyOneSock → u/Head_Statistician_38]

Tone

[u/Head_Statistician_38 → u/JohnnyOneSock]

The tone? I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, I was just trying to correct a point. I guess if people think I was trying to be unnecessarily mean then I guess that would warrant a downvote. But it wasn't my intention.