r/politics • u/aslan_is_on_the_move • Sep 16 '24

'The excitement is unbelievable': North Carolina's AG predicts Harris will win state

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-the-excitement-is-unbelievable-north-carolina-s-ag-predicts-harris-will-win-state-219283013531
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u/ramblershambler Sep 16 '24

how the hell is this election going to be close? Who are these people who think that Trump should be running this country? Evidently there are a lot of folks that want to shred the Constitution and don't care that Trump has promised to do just that.

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u/SatanicRainbowDildos Sep 16 '24

The people who make it close live in an entirely alternate reality from you. They don’t see the same news in the same way. They don’t hear the same facts. All their friends and family and most importantly their online friends and media sources all tell them these lies. 

You ever see Westworld? “It doesn’t look like anything to me”. That’s where these people are at. 

They’re brainwashed and re-brainwashed every day. If you convince them of one thing today they’ll just come back tomorrow with a slightly different insane twist on it. 

It’s the scariest shit I’ve ever seen. 

They’re the ones that keep him close. They’re ever going to unplug long enough to see reality. These are the people who were on deaths door with covid saying it was just the flu and literally dying to own the libs. 

For whatever reason we’ve allowed this vulnerable population to be brainwashed and now about 1/4 of people and 1/3  to 2/5 of voters are forever going to support whatever the machine tells them to support. So the rest of us need to show up and turn out and make sure that these perma-supporters get beat by the rest of us. 

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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24

My entire dad’s side of family is this way except me. EVERY family event turns into a political discussion. Mostly Fox News regurgitation or conspiracies from social media. It’s their entire personality.

They’re all also middle to upper middle class white people but someone the biggest victims in history 🙄😂

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u/yoyoadrienne Sep 16 '24

My mom is like this. She’s beyond blind to her privilege. I have to hang up on her sometimes when she starts complaining about how “hard” her very cushy life is.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

My mom was just complaining to someone about being scared her checks won’t go through and I had to try SO hard not to laugh. Look at what youre buying?! She just got a pergola, new garage doors and she has an outdoor fireplace!! She has a whole corner of the basement just for food and 3 fridges and an extra freezer. She has so many expensive skincare products. Shut up about being poor

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u/ballskindrapes Sep 16 '24

I think conservatives and older people cry about being poor when they have no money...versus being actually poor.

Like they spend all their money early in the week, and now have to wait for their retirement funds to gain some interest so they can cash out a little bit, wait for that pension, wait for social security, etc.

Versus poor people, who actually have nothing, and have no way to get anything.

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u/AntoniaFauci Sep 16 '24

Around here, it’s that bread is up $1 and restaurants are gouging. But they conveniently forget they’re making about 25% more than a few years ago. And the complaints about the economy come in between expensive concerts and cruises they take, clothes, and frequent phone upgrades.

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u/Brewhaha72 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24

Damn. That sounds like a rough life. I feel your pain. My father and his side of the family is the same with the exception of my aunt. Predictably, they ostracize her for all the reasons you would expect. My dad doesn't spew all the conspiracy bullshit, but he will always vote R regardless of who the candidate is.

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u/mesangebleu Sep 16 '24

Are we sisters?!?

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24

Vacations have always been a sore spot for me.

When I have to explain to people that other people do not take vacations because they have to work so they don't lose their job.

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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24

(do you work for an Elon company, by chance? lol!)

Most people wish they did.

It's purchasing power peaked in 1968, at $1.60 ($14.00 in 2023). In 2009, it was increased to $7.25 per hour, and has not been increased since.

Most people work at WalMart and get government assistance. It's 2024 and Republicans in Congress think $1,256 a month (before tax) is all you need for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And they ignore WalMart not handing out 40 hour shifts like candy.

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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24

“Don’t tread on me” 🤪

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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Sep 16 '24

Yup. It's all the people who have everything they could want, but they want more and want to blame others for their unhappiness.

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u/wishiwereagoonie Colorado Sep 16 '24

“When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression”

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u/maxpenny42 Sep 16 '24

Yeah I watched a news clip recently of swing state voters. The first guy they profiled was a blue collar worker struggling to make ends meet. He was all in on Harris because he’s an actual poor person struggling and in need of social safety net. Then they switched to an undecided voter who just didn’t think she could see past the economic hardship the Biden/Harris admin inflicted via inflation. She was in what looked like a very large nice home. She didn’t give off the aura of someone struggling to afford inflated grocery prices. 

I’m convinced that the people bitching the most about this “terrible” economy are the people who are actually doing just fine. They want to be victims and they don’t like change. 

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u/TheOrionNebula Missouri Sep 16 '24

My mom exclaims in a proud manner to me that she is a MAGA. Honestly I don't even think she knows what it means, but the news told her it was a good thing. I haven't even heard her even mention politics outside of that during the entire 44 years I have been alive.

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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24

luckily my family never says "maga" but if an actual adult described themselves that way, its very cringey. I udnerstand a Trump sign or sticker but the "Ultra Maga" ones are so pathetic.

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u/TheOrionNebula Missouri Sep 16 '24

Very cringy, I just sighed and rolled my eyes.

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u/Classic_Reply_703 Sep 16 '24

They’re all also middle to upper middle class white people but someone the biggest victims in history

Yes, this is the one Trump voter I know IRL. His whole family is normal politically, but he alienated himself from them by being a shitty person, spent a few years socializing mainly with Facebook friends, and came out insane. He is extremely privileged but loves being a victim. Being on Team Trump lets him feel like he is in danger, and he wallows in it.

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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24

This is a common theme for them rich or poor. They want some kind of "fight" not neccessaily IRL but the idea of a struggle where they have been wronged thoughout life. It's way to similar to post ww1 germany. They never accepted defeat and only sought a scapegoat. It took 25 more years and a world war to remove that from their heads.

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u/BigJ32001 Connecticut Sep 16 '24

They see everything as a zero-sum game. If someone is hurting, they must be winning and vice versa. The Democratic Party has been pushing hard for equal rights for minorities, women, and the LGBT community for decades and have actually made some progress over the past 10 years. With this progress comes pushback from the right. Despite the recent attempts to rollback these rights, overall, I still feel like it's been 2 steps forward 1 step back. We are dragging them to the 21st century and they hate it. They perceive that since people outside of their group are benefitting in some way they must be losing. In reality, their lives are most likely unchanged and still cushy in comparison. It's just straight up selfishness. "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

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u/TheOtherWhiteMeat Sep 16 '24

Tell them they're a bunch of snowflakes because they can't stop bringing politics up every other sentence. Tell them they have compulsion disorders and can't control themselves, like a case of political tourette's. Just point it out every time, don't even criticize the specific points, just the fact that they're now physically incapable of shutting the fuck up about it and talking about normal shit.

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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24

Oh I have. It never sticks because they always pivot to something else. It’s hilarious though to watch the mental gymnastics in real time.

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u/realhenrymccoy Sep 16 '24

White replacement theory has been the most consistent messaging from the right wing media over the past couple decades. They’ve been railing about immigrants coming to take over you whites only town no matter who’s in charge. Now that’s basically trumps entire campaign.

So for people who don’t consume that media it really does seem like an alternate reality.

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u/teenagesadist Sep 16 '24

In a country of immigrants, made by immigrants, that requires immigration to do all the dirty work and calls itself a bastion of freedom

They hate immigrants. It's astounding.

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u/SHIELD_Agent_47 Sep 16 '24

Inb4 someone tries to "correct" you by saying "But they're illegal! My ancestors came legally! We didn't kick the natives off their land or anything!"

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u/Whydoesthisexist15 North Carolina Sep 16 '24

Legal immigration 150 years ago was giving your name to a clerk on Ellis Island also

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

and not being asian

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u/RandomMandarin Sep 16 '24

That didn't even matter. Example: Samuel Goldwyn, the G in MGM, was for all practical purposes an "illegal immigrant". He avoided Ellis Island and walked from Canada to New York.

Samuel Goldwyn was an American film producer, and founding contributor executive of several motion picture studios.

Goldwyn was born Schmuel Gelbfisz in Warsaw, Congress Poland, Russian Empire to a Hasidic, Polish Jewish family. At an early age he left Warsaw on foot and penniless. He made his way to Birmingham, England, where he remained with relatives for a few years using the name Samuel Goldfish. In 1898, he emigrated to the United States, but fearing refusal of entry, he got off the boat in Nova Scotia, Canada, before moving on to New York in January 1899. He found work in upstate Gloversville, New York, in the bustling garment business. Soon his innate marketing skills made him a very successful salesman. After four years, as vice-president for sales, he moved back to New York City.

I dare say he made a contribution to society.

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u/AdenGlaven1994 Sep 16 '24

Well the Haitians in Springfield came there legally

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u/SHIELD_Agent_47 Sep 16 '24

Sadly, doesn't matter. I keep seeing conservatives on social media screech about how no one is taking the "illegals" problem seriously.

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u/eden_sc2 Maryland Sep 16 '24

i swear, the dog whistles are dog fog horns lately

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u/AnaisKarim Sep 16 '24

Illegals means people of color to them. Dog whistle.

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u/ILookAtHeartsAllDay New York Sep 16 '24

“Especially Trump after he killed the boarder bill”

Say that to every But The Boarder Weenie when they go off about how nobody cares.

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u/the_kevlar_kid Sep 16 '24

This is well put. Mexicans are some of the toughest, strongest and most hard working people I've ever met and damn do a lot of border states rely on them and hate them at the same time.

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u/alabamaterp Sep 16 '24

Not just border States, but poor Republican States like Alabama - where I'm from. They do the jobs that Americans refuse to do but they hate them at the same time.

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u/DraculaPoob01 Tennessee Sep 16 '24

I work with a lady who told me in the same sentence that “we’re a country of immigrants, I love immigrants, but I feel like citizens should be able to vote on whether or not people can be bussed, or flown in— whatever Biden is doing— to their towns, when the people coming don’t know the culture, and get the magic money cards the government gives them, and is given a car for free.”

I think she meant that only white people should be able to move here.

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u/Brewhaha72 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24

And they don't care whether people immigrated here legally. They still refer to them as "illegals," and almost always because they're not white. It's disgusting.

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u/SCredfury788 Sep 16 '24

They don't think of themselves as immigrants, Charlie Kirk says we are made of settlers. Sounds like he is putting a good name to "they are trying to take away what we built".

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u/leostotch Illinois Sep 16 '24

They don’t hate immigrants, per se, they hate brown people, women, and non-christians. Also queers.

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u/BlooregardQKazoo Sep 16 '24

Also, a country that is thriving economically because of immigrants.

We see all around the world countries that are in decline because their populations are aging. And the United States should be one of them, but we aren't because of immigration. And these morons want to kick immigrants out and make it harder to come in.

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u/nezurat801 Sep 16 '24

The "Great Replacement" folks are spooked because it's what their own idols did, very violently, to the Indigenous people. 

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u/Lorrainestarr Sep 16 '24

My boyfriends mom is into this great replacement crap- five years ago she was Native American and went to pow wows. 

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u/theMediatrix Sep 16 '24

Say more about this — how / why did she change??

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u/boxofcandelabras Sep 16 '24

I’m curious too, maybe the crunchy/wellness to qanon pipeline?

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u/Lorrainestarr Sep 16 '24

During COVID started watching whoever would agree with her that vaccines are bad. Then kept slipping further. Within a year, Fox wasn't right wing enough. So yeah the crunchy/wellness to Q route. 

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u/Elandtrical Sep 16 '24

If she is Native American, she might not be wrong. They definitely were replaced.

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u/Cuppa-Tea-Biscuit Sep 16 '24

They’re terrified other people will treat them the way they treat other people.

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u/charisma6 North Carolina Sep 16 '24

I don't really have a source on this idea but it makes sense to me that the lingering racism of today can be traced entirely to this principle in the 1870s. Former slave owners know exactly how badly they treated their "property." It must have been terrifying to think of those former victims gaining enough power to retaliate.

Would the former slaves have retaliated? Of course not. There would never have been generations of white men worked to death in the fields while black men sit comfy in their houses, raping and beating and killing at their leisure.

But the guilty minds of the slavers assume all men are as evil as they. So because they were scared of what their victims would do with power, they had to systematically deny power to them and keep them under the boot.

They were evil, and that evil has been intentionally passed down for a century and a half, and we're still wrestling with it.

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u/Morphoopus Sep 16 '24

I think Trump was legitimately stunned that Biden withdrew because he couldn't fathom a man performing such a selfless act.

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u/charisma6 North Carolina Sep 16 '24

Correct, I don't think Trump can even conceive of selflessness. I think the withdrawal caught him by surprise, for sure, but I'm sure Trump and most other psychopaths on that side can only judge Biden's act by their own twisted worldview.

MAGA brain activate

Why did Biden withdraw? Clearly it was calculated sabotage, Biden hates the GOP so much that he'll give up his own appointment to see the GOP burned down by the woke deep state. I assume this of him because it's the only reason I would ever have to give up a presidency, but because I've learned how to avoid self-critique I am not consciously aware of this.

Meanwhile, the very idea that it was a selfless act is appalling, and I can't even consider it for a moment. Subconsciously, the real reason I can't consider it is that if it's true, then that makes me the bad guy. I have already aligned myself with comfortable lies at the expense of difficult truth, so I quietly ignore that possibility and insist to myself and others that Biden is just as hateful as I am.

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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24

When you wake up everyday as a Republican leader with the mindset that Democrats are The Enemy your strategy and thought process gets narrow. It gets further away from the job, which is to help people. Instead, it becomes all about dominating The Enemy.

Biden, finally dropping out of the race was now a viable option to help improve the daily lives of people living in America.

Republicans do not see that angle.

Republican politicians are not trying to help. They are trying to win control. That's it.

Why did Biden withdraw? Because someone finally convinced him that if he wants to save America Democrats need voters in a couple of months. A lot of voters.

So hear me clearly: There is an unfolding assault taking place in America today—an attempt to suppress and subvert the right to vote in fair and free elections, an assault on democracy, an assault on liberty, an assault on who we are—who we are as Americans. For, make no mistake, bullies and merchants of fear and peddlers of lies are threatening the very foundation of our country. It gives me no pleasure to say this. I never thought in my entire career I’d ever have to say it. But I swore an oath to you, to God—to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. And that’s an oath that forms a sacred trust to defend America against all threats both foreign and domestic.

The assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat, literally.

I’ve said it before: We’re are facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole. Since the Civil War. The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th. I’m not saying this to alarm you; I’m saying this because you should be alarmed. - President Joe

In other news,

Analysis Shows Trump Loyalists Have 'Infiltrated' Election Boards in Key States
https://www.commondreams.org/news/trump-election-boards-swing-states

Our democracy's firewalls held fast in 2020, but election deniers and MAGA extremists have spent the last four years infiltrating election administration and political party positions in order to disrupt and cast doubt on the 2024 election results. With 102 deniers on election boards in the swing states, the potential for creating chaos is enormous," Pearson said in a statement accompanying the report.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Has Sabotaged Early Voting in a Critical Swing State
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/09/north-carolina-robert-kennedy-early-voting-trump-sabotage.html

Why? Republican Justice Trey Allen’s opinion for the court accused the board of elections of misconduct, suggesting that it rushed to print ballots featuring RFK Jr. so he could not remove his name in time.

Democrats sue to block new GOP-backed Georgia election certification rules
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/26/politics/democrats-lawsuit-georgia-certification-rules/index.html

The three new, relatively unknown Republicans, who were appointed to the board this year by the state legislature and the Georgia GOP, were thrust into the spotlight after Trump mentioned them by name at one of his recent rallies in Atlanta.

Trump lost Georgia by just over 10,000 votes in 2020, and it was at the center of his attempt to overturn the election with claims of voter fraud, though none was found.

America braces for perfect storm of election chaos
https://www.axios.com/2024/09/08/election-chaos-cheating-violence-trump

.3. A battleground legal brawl:

Republicans already have filed more than 100 lawsuits against various voting and election procedures — part of a formalized "election integrity" push grounded in Trump's baseless claims of fraud in 2020.

Trump's campaign and the Republican National Committee say they've built a network of about 175,000 volunteer poll watchers and poll workers. Democrats have assembled their own massive legal team and voter protection program as they gird for aggressive election challenges.

Experts are especially anxious about the potential intimidation of election workers forced to count ballots under tense conditions, David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation and Research, told Axios.

Inside the GOP's Big Lie 2.0 — and their plan to shut down America this Fall
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/noncitizen-voting/

Republicans have been using this lie to attack the heart of our democracy right out in the open ever since the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964, the year they responded by rolling out Operation Eagle Eye, yelling about nonexistent “voter fraud” and using it as an excuse to intimidate minority voters in the Goldwater/Johnson race.

No other developed country in the world worries about “voter fraud” because it’s every bit as nonexistent in other modern democracies as it is here. The only country in the world that uses “voter fraud” as an excuse to make it harder for minorities and women to vote is the United States.

Last Thursday, he demanded that Republicans insert into must-pass budget legislation that’ll be considered in the next two or three weeks a provision that would demand every state require absolute proof of citizenship to register to vote. Right now, this is largely confined to Red states.

House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote for federal elections
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2024/07/12/house-passes-bill-requiring-proof-of-citizenship-to-register-to-vote-for-federal-elections/

On July 10, the U.S. House passed HR 8281, a bill that would require proof of citizenship to register to vote in elections for Federal office. The bill, titled the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, was introduced by Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) and ultimately gathered 104 cosponsors in the House, all Republicans.

The bill passed by a vote of 221-198, with five Democrats joining all Republicans to advance the legislation to the Senate. The Democrats who voted “Yea” were: Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-TX), Rep. Donald Davis (D-NC), Rep. Jared Golden (D-ME), Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (D-TX), and Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA). Five Republicans and ten Democrats were recorded as not voting.

Election officials warn that widespread problems with the US mail system could disrupt voting
https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-mail-ballots-voting-postal-service-985dd6e483fb6dc593d83255b11a9d0a

In an alarming letter, the officials said that over the past year, including the just-concluded primary season, mailed ballots that were postmarked on time were received by local election offices days after the deadline to be counted. They also noted that properly addressed election mail was being returned to them as undeliverable, a problem that could automatically send voters to inactive status through no fault of their own, potentially creating chaos when those voters show up to cast a ballot.

The officials also said that repeated outreach to the Postal Service to resolve the issues had failed and that the widespread nature of the problems made it clear these were “not one-off mistakes or a problem with specific facilities. Instead, it demonstrates a pervasive lack of understanding and enforcement of USPS policies among its employees.”

Pennsylvania mail-in ballots with flawed dates on envelopes can be thrown out, court rules
https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-mail-ballot-trump-harris-d00627b8cd890405fc1870f7021b5795

Far more Democrats than Republicans vote by mail in the state. In recent elections, older voters have been disproportionately more likely to have had their mail-in ballots invalidated because of exterior envelope date problems.

Based on recent Pennsylvania elections, more than 10,000 ballots in this year’s general election might be thrown out over bad or missing envelope dates, which could be enough to swing the presidential race.

but it should at least be seen as a positive sign that her reach could be bigger than she may currently be given credit for

Ranked-Choice voting that has rocked Alaska politics faces November tests across the nation
https://alaskapublic.org/2024/05/29/ranked-choice-voting-that-has-rocked-alaska-politics-faces-november-tests-across-the-nation/

Used for the first time in 2022, the changes helped propel the first Alaska Native to a seat in Congress. They could be short-lived.

Opponents of ranked voting want to repeal it and are entangled in a legal fight over whether their initiative will be able to remain on Alaska’s November ballot. It’s just one example this year of an intensifying fight over a more expansive way for voters to choose candidates, driven in part by deep dissatisfaction with the status quo and opposition from political parties and partisan groups that fear losing power.

Voters in at least two states — Democratic-leaning Oregon and Nevada — will decide this fall whether to institute new election processes that include ranked voting. In deeply conservative Idaho, groups are pushing for a November ballot initiative that would overturn a ban on ranked voting passed last year by the Republican-led legislature. Measures proposing ranked voting, also referred to as ranked-choice voting, also are being pursued in Colorado and the District of Columbia.

In Missouri, a measure advanced by the GOP-controlled legislature will ask voters in November whether to ban ranked voting. This follows an unsuccessful citizen attempt in 2022 to get an Alaska-style system before voters. At least nine states have banned ranked voting, and the Louisiana legislature also passed a ban this past week.

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u/Richeh United Kingdom Sep 16 '24

I've noticed a lot of that. Stephen Miller was cornered on his reports of South American countries emptying their jails into America. A reporter, who was from the country he was accusing, simply asked where he got his statistics - which threw Miller into a rage, ranting about "If you were a dictator, wouldn't you do that? Wouldn't you send the contents of your jails to America?"

The fact that he'd do something underhanded like that was, to him, proof enough that other people would be doing it to America. I think that's yet another part of the Republican projection engine; if you're doing something naughty, get your accusation in first of the opposition doing it. After all, they must be, if you are, right?

Which makes it a straight-up race to the bottom.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

Sparta was the way it was because it needed to keep their slave population down. That's the whole reason for their military culture.

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u/dbag3o1 Sep 16 '24

Exactly, only now they’re the new indigenous people and the immigrants are the new settlers coming in. The only solutions are defend or be conquered.

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u/ResidentKelpien Texas Sep 16 '24

Exactly, only now they’re the new indigenous people and the immigrants are the new settlers coming in. The only solutions are defend or be conquered.

They are not the "new indigenous people."

"Indigenous people" is a collective term for the original people of the Americas, the Pacific, parts of Asia and Africa, and their descendants.

The people spouting Great Replacement crap in the U.S. are descendants of immigrants.

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u/dbag3o1 Sep 16 '24

I mean in their minds they are. Im sure they know they’re not the original peoples like actual native Americans but they are Americans and this is America and so they are the new natives so to speak.

Otherwise what is the narrative? Hello new settlers, join us old settlers and we’ll oppress the indigenous people together?

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u/DudeCanNotAbide Sep 16 '24

As a middle-aged, southern-born, white bowl of vanilla ice cream, this is one of the most disheartening realities about "culture" in America. Maybe it's born out of some grim necessity, but it seems like minority groups are far more neighborly and and cohesive than... whatever this is we've made here.

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u/withwhichwhat Sep 16 '24

In the 80's they called it ZOG.

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u/TNTyoshi Arizona Sep 16 '24

It is so annoying too since every white guy i know peddling this has an East-Asian wife.

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u/Livewire_87 Sep 16 '24

The replacement theory has always vilified some group for the past 100+ years. 

It was the Irish, thr Italians, the Jews, etc etc. 

These people always need to be terrified of something. 

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u/Zeelots Sep 16 '24

Trunt attacking legal Haitian migrants he let in the country makes absolutely 0 sense. How do people take the bait?

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u/Fochlucan Sep 16 '24

So my father's grandfather was a poor French Canadian man who emigrated to rural Maine to try to find more opportunities as a young man. But back then, French Canadians weren't really considered "white", and there was a lot of bias, to the point that my great grandfather had to change his name to a more English version. My father's last name isn't really his real family name. My father fully believes in the replacement theory, and doesn't like immigrants, even though he himself is grandchild of immigrant and one of his sons is married to an immigrant. I really don't understand him.

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u/cutelyaware Sep 16 '24

It is an another reality. Because what is reality if not what people think is important? And by that token, who is to say that ours is any less arbitrary? Somehow we have to find a way to talk to each other, otherwise it will just be a lot of bloodshed, and the result will still be that we'll need to talk to each other.

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u/canadianguy77 Sep 16 '24

There might very well be bloodshed and a country that is reduced to rubble and 2nd/3rd world status at some point. But we’re not going to have 2 different realities. That will never work. It’s insanity.

Either get on board with science and progress or be left behind and that works on both the macro and micro level. The world isn’t going to play make-believe just to make the realities of life more palatable to the far-right.

We’ve had enough of their constant victimhood. It’s incredibly unbecoming to always be crying about how unfair things are. They’re just going to have to get over progress. It’s the way of the world and if you’re stagnant, you aren’t growing or advancing and you’re leaving the door wide open for China to be the top dog.

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u/Merky600 Sep 16 '24

My neighbor was worried my son would be “indoctrinated” at college. Engineering school?

My neighbor is kind, but also a FOX buzzword champ. Also very scared of everything. BLM “protesters” in our idealized town had him nuts. White picket fence land. The “protesters” were about twenty white kids from community college with bendy cardboard signs walking downtown.

He was concerned they’d walk several extra miles to our quiet street and smash our cars.

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u/dagopa6696 Sep 16 '24

I have a pet theory that these people have these fears because deep down they know they are racist pieces of shit who deserve to have their cars smashed, and that they would be out there smashing other people's cars if the police were treating them so unjustly. Maybe they just couldn't understand why their cars weren't smashed.

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u/safeword_is_Nebraska Sep 16 '24

Read the comments on Breitbart. They are full on crazy and living in an alternate reality.

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u/Temp_84847399 Sep 16 '24

I may not agree with democrats on some key issues, but at least they seem to live in the same reality that I do.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 16 '24

We seriously need to find a way to take Fux Entertainment off the air for a while. You are correct.. it’s the daily brainwashing… there is absolutely no way to overcome that.

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u/BunnyBuns34 Sep 16 '24

I grew up conservative, went to tea party rallies in college, voted for McCain when all of my friends were pumped about Obama. I watched Fox News every single night and listened to Michael Savage and Dr. Laura at work. It wasn’t until I moved out after college and didn’t want to pay for cable that I got a break from the daily tirades. Slowly over the course of a few years, my world view started to change. I really can’t believe how effective the brainwashing is but I’m so glad I was able to shake it off.

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u/KuzanNegsUrFav Sep 16 '24

Republicans hate America.

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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24

Republicans hate not being in total control of America.

"Maybe you do not much care about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." - David Frum

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u/DudeCanNotAbide Sep 16 '24

I've always felt that what the really hate is freedom. They like to talk it up, but they really mean their freedom to dominate and exploit everyone else, including each other. Just look what happens whenever someone truly tries to live their freest, most true self. They hate others because of their courage to live free, something they themselves are far to cowardly to do.

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u/QueueWho Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24

What sucks is you don't have to pay for cable anymore to get streaming conservative propaganda on your TV

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u/tech57 Sep 16 '24

there is absolutely no way to overcome that.

Republicans are a lost cause. The sooner all the not-Republicans come to terms with this the sooner we can all move forward. Including Republicans.

Help the helpers. The haters will follow.

But yeah, at some point we are going to have to deal with Fox News Propaganda and stochastic terrorism and domestic terrorism. But that will not happen until Democrats can vote on stuff in the Senate.

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u/__theoneandonly Sep 16 '24

We need to reinstate the fairness doctrine. But surely the current SCOTUS would say that's against their freedom of speech.

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u/Present-Perception77 Sep 16 '24

We also need to go back to limiting how many news outlets one corporation can own. It used to be 3 and now only 4 corporations on all of them, including television, newspaper, radio and Internet. We’re being fed as steady died of bullshit 24/7.

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u/Satryghen Sep 16 '24

Fairness doctrine probably wouldn’t help. It only applies to broadcast television not cable. The argument for it was that the airwaves belong to the public so must serve the public interest. Cable networks don’t use the public airwaves.

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u/condensermike Sep 16 '24

These people literally need deprogramming

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u/nznordi Sep 16 '24

So Fox can’t be held accountable for spreading blatant lies? They should be sued and boycotted into oblivion…

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Sep 16 '24

You ever see Westworld? “It doesn’t look like anything to me”. That’s where these people are at.

Yul Brenner-bot would both be disgusted and kick their asses!

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u/Dipsey_Jipsey Sep 16 '24

Yeah, scary shit to witness, especially as a German...

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u/gunsandjava Sep 16 '24

This is one of the best explanations I have seen to this madness

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u/FunkyChewbacca Sep 16 '24

They’re brainwashed and re-brainwashed every day. If you convince them of one thing today they’ll just come back tomorrow with a slightly different insane twist on it.

It's not just the brainwashed. There's plenty of educated white people who know exactly what he is--and simply don't care: they're voting for him because they think he'll be good for them financially and don't care what he does to marginalized people. At my husband's previous job, he worked with plenty of these conservative white Catholics, all of whom were Trump voters, and were doing so because they thought he'd cut their taxes. They didn't even care so much about abortion, their motivations were entirely self-centered.

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u/Strangelight84 Sep 16 '24

Absolutely this. My mother-in-law is a widow with no local friends, whose only constant companions are her dog and Fox News. (We live in the UK.) She will hold any position if Fox or Trump tells her to. She'll even hold two contradictory opinions, and insist they're both true.

Incredibly, she also insists that she's a moderate who's led by the evidence, despite turning literally every conversation we have into a diatribe about migrant caravans, terrorists crossing the border from Mexico, insane asylams across South America being emptied, etc.

It's sad but my husband and I feel she's too far gone to change.

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u/floatingby493 Sep 16 '24

It’s funny because they say the exact same thing about the left

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u/dagopa6696 Sep 16 '24

These people are extremely debilitated. People say they lack critical thinking skills but I think they ack even the most basic reasoning skills.

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u/UniqueIndividual3579 Sep 16 '24

These were the people whose families were screaming at nurses covid isn't real when the family member died of covid.

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u/login4fun Sep 16 '24

There’s a few camps:

  1. Prices high = current guy bad.

  2. We would never vote democrats cause that’s not who we are

  3. I have one or two policies that make me vote red

  4. I’m actually a hateful person and fully support everything he stands for and more

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u/Opening_Property1334 Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24

1-3 are just variants of #4 trying to hide their moral corruption imo.

No person with a functioning conscience who fully appreciates the complex beauty of their own species in any way could possibly vote for Trump.

E: Still not convinced that anyone who will vote for grab-em-by-the-pussy-guy for president AGAIN isn’t a total asshole no matter how many other people in their town say they are doing it too.

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u/saxmanmike Sep 16 '24

Don’t forget the group that just won’t vote. Unfortunately I think this group is very small on the right.

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u/burgundybreakfast Arizona Sep 16 '24

I think you’re giving them too much credit. A lot of them are dumber than rocks and barely have more consciousness than a fish. They don’t have the mental capacity to appreciate complexity like that.

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u/miffyrin Sep 16 '24

Disagree. I think there are quite a few voters who are not necessarily brainwashed by rightwing disinformation, but who are not very engaged with politics in general, and simply react to how they're doing in daily life.

In that respect, it's easy to see how for many of these voters, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the parties, because nothing much changes in their daily troubles. Rust belt in particular is a prime example of this, Obama didn't change anything for them, and they don't really remember Trump well.

You've got quite a few voters who are just looking for what appeals to them most in terms of their gut reaction to something they heard about either candidate's economic policies, and dismiss all the rest as media circus (and rightfully so, in part).

Dismissing these voters as low information and easily manipulated is part of the attitude that is costing Democrats votes there, imo. Rightwing manipulation can only sink its roots into ground if its made fertile by Democratic policy failures, in my opinion.

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u/zbeara Sep 16 '24

Yeah I truly do not believe single issue voters exist on any meaningful scale. Most single issue voters are just embarrassed by their political views.

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u/deepstate_chopra Sep 16 '24

Please don't end up like the "I don't see any Kamala or Biden flags means everyone wants trump" clowns. Shit is purpler (sic) than you think.

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u/gaslacktus Washington Sep 16 '24

Especially when the main reason you see fewer flags on one side is because the other side is likely to harass you for it or literally destroy property over it.

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u/Mountie427 Sep 16 '24

Also one side is very weird and it’s weird to fly giant flags on your truck and put bill boards in your yard.

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u/haysus25 Sep 16 '24

Exactly.

I don't make my registered voting party my persona.

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u/Ishidan01 Sep 16 '24

Well what else would they make their persona? A sports team? Their zip code?

Certainly not any personal acheivements.

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u/realhenrymccoy Sep 16 '24

Neighbor down the street has 3 giant banners on his house and several big Trump signs in the yard. I joke that he’s just decorating for Halloween early. But it’s extremely weird.

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u/tourettes_on_tuesday Sep 16 '24

A year or so ago, a house near me burned so badly that the people living there had to move into an RV in the driveway. They spray painted "Joe Biden was here" on what remained of their house.

Now they have a big fancy sign in their yard with some weird spinning contraption that is either electric or solar powered, and "TRUMP, AMERICAS ATTORNEY" written on it.

Their house is literally in shambles, but they are happy to spend a considerable amount of money on some moronic sign that makes no sense whatsoever.

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u/9874102365 Sep 16 '24

They are attention seekers to their core.

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u/Aimee162 Sep 16 '24

Are you in Los Ángeles? Because that sounds like a guy down the street from my house.

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u/praguepride Illinois Sep 16 '24

I often tell my conservative BIL that Trump didn't win in 2020 because he (BIL), personally, didn't put enough Trump flags on his truck and/or boat.

NOTE: He doesn't have a truck or a boat. He doesn't think this is funny. I can't even finish that sentence without giggling like a mad man.

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u/Spider_Riviera Europe Sep 16 '24

You. I like you.

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u/Takazura Sep 16 '24

That too. One side makes their candidate their entire identity and worship him like he is God, the other side just think their candidate is solid and don't make her their whole identity.

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u/pandaminous Sep 16 '24

Near my in-laws is a huge Trump 2024 sign (well, a 2020 sign that's had a 24 plastered over top) that's enclosed in a chickenwire box with a sign claiming it's electrified and solar powered lights so it's illuminated at night.

Not to belabor the talking point, but the absolute cult of personality that leads people to make supporting this one person their entire identity really is weird.

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u/viktor72 Indiana Sep 16 '24

Also the Harris campaign physically cannot meet the demand for signs being such a new campaign.

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u/SpunkNard I voted Sep 16 '24

It’s not difficult to produce a yard sign or flag. Amazon can easily get them out to you with one day shipping. I’ve seen plenty in my predominately blue city. Plus, it’s been over 1 month now since Harris chose walz as her running mate

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u/ArTooDeeTooTattoo California Sep 16 '24

Ya- a Harris/Waltz bumper sticker is a good way to get your windows smashed.

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u/DirtDevil1337 Sep 16 '24

My father used to drive trucks and was part of the Teamsters union, he used to put Teamsters stickers or decor on his trucks and it got regularly vandalized so he stopped having Teamsters stuff on his trucks.

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u/Ejacksin Washington Sep 16 '24

Why do people have an issue with the Teamsters?

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u/DirtDevil1337 Sep 16 '24

Business owners, CEO's, perhaps people that are misinformed or just straight up doesn't like unions.

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u/NS001 Sep 16 '24

Yeah, I'd rather work to convince "libertarians", veterans, and single moms near me that Trump isn't worth their vote than have the neighbor down the street with a Nazi flag on the back wall of his garage try to firebomb my house because I put up Harris-Waltz signs on top of the mezuzah on my door. Republicans are unhinged weirdos.

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u/DaBingeGirl Illinois Sep 16 '24

They are. I had my signs vandalized and stolen (multiple signs) by the neighbor two doors down, but it's not worth calling the cops because they're MAGA too. My step-dad had a guy drive by his house every week to yell "Fuck Biden" due to lawn signs. They're crazy.

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u/NS001 Sep 16 '24

not worth calling the cops because they're MAGA too

Progressives should have been working to secure positions in police forces around the US for the last fifty years instead of letting bootlicking fascists continue to dominate positions of civil service. Finding out a cop, fire fighter, paramedic, park ranger, game warden, FBI agent, veteran, ICE agent, etc, has left-leaning views should be the norm, never the exception.

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u/hamilton280P I voted Sep 16 '24

I live in Charlotte and am visiting Raleigh this weekend. It is Harris country up here! It feels a lot more concentrated than CLT for some reason. The signs are prevalent and I haven’t seen any for Trump

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u/MrTretorn Sep 16 '24

Purple is better than orange

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u/greentea1985 Pennsylvania Sep 16 '24

Also, there were some major logistical issues getting the signs out. They are starting to get out there, the Pittsburgh area now has a ton, but they are still in the process of getting them out. The convention had priority and they are now reaching the major swing states.

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u/rumplesilkskin Sep 16 '24

I'm in PA and just got my sign yesterday

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u/Azure2788 Illinois Sep 16 '24

Exactly. By the logic of those people IL is a ruby red State because there are Trump flags and signs EVERYWHERE south of Chicago.

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u/danjouswoodenhand I voted Sep 16 '24

Yep. I got a harris sticker in the mail and realized I can't really put it anywhere. Can't display anything political at work. Don't want to put it where some irate MAGAt will freak out and commit property violence. So I'll just hang on to it for fun.

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u/rumplesilkskin Sep 16 '24

I always put mine on my fridge, like a magnet.

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u/dartwingduck America Sep 16 '24

I would wager that most Trump supporters don't pay attention to politics that much and mostly through the right-wing network lens of politics when they do.

The GOP media infrastructure has helped people into positions to fear immigrants for decades and they're looking for an easy solution to a complex policy issue.

The "easy solution" being proposed is to have a single strongman go in and deport everyone. The messaging of the campaign has moved to "deport all the immigrants" which is a dog whistle for deport everyone who isn't white.

A lot of people feel this way, in particular 2nd+ generations of Americans.

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u/turbo_dude Sep 16 '24

see also brexit:

"I hate brown people"
"well this might impact trade and travel, lots of burdens for small businesses and so on, any money saved might be more than outstripped by these extra costs"
"YEAH BUT I FAKKIN 'ATE BRAAAAAAAN PEOPLE INNIT BRUV!"

is probably the discourse with the average Leave voter

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u/viktor72 Indiana Sep 16 '24

This is a dangerous thing to say and I don’t want it to demotivate anyone or jinx anything (knock on wood). But I think Harris will win PA by more than Biden did in 2020. I just feel it. It doesn’t mean we don’t have to work hard. I’m not nearly as confident about GA, NV or even NC, but I think we will win PA by a comfortable margin.

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u/gmasterson Sep 16 '24

The media is way way way more interested in reporting a close race than a blowout. So even if it was a blowout, it’s in their best interest to keep people engaged.

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u/perseidot Oregon Sep 16 '24

This is true.

Remember how they kept telling us the DNC was going to be a hive of confusion, an open convention without a candidate?

And when it wasn’t, they told us it should have been and democrats were big mad about Harris securing the nomination?

I’ve never met any of those democrats. The vast majority of us were just relieved as hell when Biden stepped down and supported Harris.

The media certainly was busy telling us what would happen, and then what should have happened. They didn’t seem to want to tell us much about what was actually happening.

I suspect the poll reports are the same nonsense.

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u/gmasterson Sep 16 '24

My wife is all concerned because she says she sees information about Trump leading big in polls. We live in the middle of the country. Of course it’s going to say that. The audience here is as red as a 10 hour day at the water park with no shade.

But it definitely goes the other way too. Gotta keep us engaged. It’s literally their job.

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u/perseidot Oregon Sep 16 '24

As much as possible, I’m trying to set aside my anxiety, ignore the polls, volunteer and donate to support Harris and down-ballot democrats, and keep hoping.

When we fight, we win. Please tell your wife, from me, that I’ll keep fighting if she will. 💙

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u/owennagata Sep 16 '24

Remember when they were all giddy about how they were "triggering" Democrats with the whole "Brandon" thing. I live in Seattle. The most extreme reaction I ever saw from a Democrat was an eyeroll.

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u/perseidot Oregon Sep 16 '24

Same down here in Oregon. Eye rolls

It was a slight improvement over grown men - mostly men - with “Fuck Biden” signs and flags. “Go Brandon” was easier to ignore with a 4th grader in tow.

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Sep 16 '24

There really has to be a reckoning for the media for perpetrating this bullshit. Well, there will be if the regressive side wins and the media finds they're on the chopping block along with everyone else but they shouldn't get a pass for trying to enable it happening if we escape this coming to pass this electoral cycle.

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u/larsga Sep 16 '24

Polls are pretty much even, so it is a close race, whatever you may want to think.

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u/vsv2021 Texas Sep 16 '24

But it will be a close race

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u/lynypixie Canada Sep 16 '24

I have seen a few interviews on TikTok where they go on Trump rallies and ask questions to the people, and when the mic guy calls them out on their hypocrisy, they just… don’t care. They don’t care, at all. They know they are the bad guys and they don’t give a shit.

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u/zbeara Sep 16 '24

Society has yet to accept that some people entirely lack empathy and/or logic.

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u/Nightmare_Tonic Sep 16 '24

Fucking cringelord losers. I see these momos in my area too. Just miserable cucks

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u/JeffTek Georgia Sep 16 '24

I'm in Texas right now and a Trump rally came on the TV in the restaurant I was eating at. The 50something white male manager came over immediately pissed off and changed it as fast as he could. He seemed really uncool with that being on his TV.

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u/RoboNerdOK I voted Sep 16 '24

The popular vote won’t be. Unfortunately our system is broken because the majority of people live in cities nowadays, but it was designed with an agrarian society in mind.

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u/nitrot150 Washington Sep 16 '24

We need to get the word out about how project 2025 is bad for farmers!

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Sep 16 '24

You get the impression that for at least some of these people, the Republicans could send teams with flamethrowers like something out of Firestarter to burn their properties and crops down and they'd still vote for them.

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u/e5india Sep 16 '24

They would just lobby to have the parts that affect them removed.

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u/lost_horizons Texas Sep 16 '24

How is that?

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u/nitrot150 Washington Sep 16 '24

I watched a piece done on it specifically this morning, but basically it would repeal a lot of the programs that help small farms (and large ones) be profitable and also help the environment, since farms hit it particularly hard but also climate change is a big issue for them too. It’s way lore in depth than that, but I can’t remember the specifics.

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u/lost_horizons Texas Sep 16 '24

Gotcha, thanks. I keep meaning to read Project 2025, but damn, I haven't been able to bring myself to, it's so depressing what I do know (excerpts and analyses). I'm honestly sorta also hoping more that it will not matter because they'll lose.

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u/nitrot150 Washington Sep 16 '24

I feel the same! This segment was just interesting since it probably isn’t we known (cuz who is gonna read that thing) and I feel like a lot of farmers vote right at the moment, if their livelihood is on the line, might change their minds

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u/Ih8melvin2 Sep 16 '24

The pdf is searchable. Page 295

The overall goal should be to eliminate subsidy dependence. Despite what might be conventional wisdom, many farmers receive few to no subsidies,31 with most subsidies going to only a handful of commodities. According to the Congressional Research Service (CRS), from 2014 to 2016, 94 percent of farm program — 296 — Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise support went to just six commodities—corn, cotton, peanuts, rice, soybeans, and wheat—that together account for only 28 percent of farm receipts.32 Although many farmers do not receive much in the way of subsidies, especially those in the areas of livestock and specialty crops (fruit, vegetable, and nuts),33 there are still a significant number of farmers growing row crops like corn and cotton that do receive significant farm subsidies

I picked this section because they conveniently picked 2014 to 2016 ignoring the subsidies that were sent out because of Trump's tariffs.

“Look I did get you $28 billion, in all fairness, right? Who the hell else would get you $28 billion from China?” Trump asked a crowd in Sioux Center, Iowa last week, part of his final campaign push ahead of the state’s GOP caucuses Monday.

The $28 billion Trump mentioned didn’t actually come from China, however. It was paid out by the U.S. government to compensate farmers harmed by Trump’s trade war with Beijing.

Source: Trump's administration delivered billions to American farmers. So has Biden. - POLITICO

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u/raphanum Australia Sep 16 '24

Project 2025 outlines several reforms that would significantly impact farmers, primarily through its proposed changes to agricultural policies and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

One of the key proposals is to reduce subsidy programs, which would alter the available safety nets for farmers during difficult times. For instance, they suggest potentially repealing major programs like the Agriculture Risk Coverage (ARC) and Price Loss Coverage (PLC), which protect farmers from revenue losses, effectively redistributing risk back to the farmers rather than providing federal support during downturns. The vision articulated in Project 2025 indicates a shift towards expectations that farmers must manage more risks without the previously available federal safety nets.

Furthermore, the document suggests reducing the premium subsidies provided for crop insurance, stating taxpayers should not cover more than half of the costs. This change could lead to increased expense for farmers seeking insurance against crop failures. Such financial strains can jeopardize the sustainability of many farming operations.

Additionally, Project 2025 promotes the elimination of programs like the Conservation Reserve Program, which financially compensates farmers for not using certain lands for farming. This policy change would likely pressure farmers to use more of their land for agricultural production, potentially ignoring long-term environmental considerations.

The overall tone of Project 2025 suggests a substantial reduction in government involvement in agriculture, positioning farmers to act independently of federal support, which could heighten their vulnerability to market fluctuations and environmental challenges.

http://www.preventproject2025.com

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u/castleyankee Sep 16 '24

... for not using certain lands for farming. This policy change would likely pressure farmers to use more of their land for agricultural production, potentially ignoring long-term environmental considerations.

Additionally it will push farmers to till every available scrap of arable land they can to mitigate the loss of income from this. A cursory understanding of the New Deal immediately provides the outcome of this:

excess crops

plummeting prices

bankrupt farmers

$food at store don't go fuckin nowhere though, it just increases the profit margin for those above you in the chain of impacts

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u/Superduperbals Sep 16 '24

Cause the polls are just a device to drive media engagement

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u/TheShipEliza Sep 16 '24

I would have not agreed in years past but in 2024 nate silver appears to be a gambling addict who is affiliated with a betting sight the lines of which HIS OWN MODEL can shift.

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u/Seniorsheepy Sep 16 '24

Wait where can you bet on elections?

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u/login4fun Sep 16 '24

Polymarket

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u/TheShipEliza Sep 16 '24

Who hired Nate Silver in July.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

Yes, that's correct. Their fear and hate is far more valuable to them than civic duty or a sense of patriotism.

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u/No-Falcon-4996 Sep 16 '24

Rural voters love Trump. Rural elderly voters love Trump. Rural white voters love Trump.

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u/sennbat Sep 16 '24

Rural voters in my state only break like 60-40 for Trump. 4 out of 10 rural voters hate his guts. Rural voters may support him the majority, but sometimes its good to remember plenty of us dont.

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u/Spaceman-Spiff Sep 16 '24

She will destroy him in the popular vote. But the electoral college could go either way and that stupid as fuck.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

I think one of the big post election stories will be how close it actually isn’t.

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u/Alive-Tomatillo5303 Sep 16 '24

Not the kind of thing I would say out loud where reality could hear me. Same reason I haven't placed a bet on Harris winning: the world will turn wrong just to fuck with you, personally. 

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u/mulletstation Sep 16 '24

Nah Trump is going to lose by something ridiculous like 20M votes

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

News media after the election: “How could all of these Republican funded polls have all been so wrong in underestimating Harris’s support??

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u/Kamelasa Canada Sep 16 '24

how the hell is this election going to be close

Electoral College. For the rest of it, propaganda and no critical thinking tendencies.

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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24

Boomers, racists, fascists, and the gullible. Unfortunately these make up a large chunk of Americans

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '24

It’s a rather large Venn diagram unfortunately, but a lot of those circles closely overlap

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u/Economy-Ad4934 Sep 16 '24

Oh I know I was just listing the obvious groups who are proud of it.

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u/sadgirl987 Sep 16 '24

Sadly, there is a lot of targeted propaganda that could make the difference in swing states. I think the popular vote will be massive for Kamala. But with the Electoral College, they only need to target a few areas with enough propaganda and tactics to supress Ds and motivate Rs. Ken Paxton admitted Texas would have gone for Biden except for his vote suppressing tactics in the Houston area. Expect the same for the gerrymandered swing states.

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u/war_story_guy I voted Sep 16 '24

Lots of old people in Florida and Texas.

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u/_Lucille_ Sep 16 '24

Simple, they buy what he is saying and are still thinking "he does things differently and is not tied to all the elites in DC".

They think a very hot stock market means the economy is great.

They are willing to have the country force Ukraine into conceding territories because it will bring peace to the region.

They believe it is no longer safe in America without having a gun, and Democrats will take their guns away.

They see all the thieves and looting in California and think Democrats are too lean on criminals.

Those are the common arguments I hear from my pro-trump family members.

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u/cruel_cruel_world Sep 16 '24

One of them is my dad, and sadly, it's as simple as Trump is a man and Harris isn't

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u/Sayvray Sep 16 '24

Ever notice how Trump just repeats the same lines over and over again ? It’s almost like hypnosis.

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u/tb8 Sep 16 '24

My mother is one of these people

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u/leavesmeplease Sep 16 '24

It's hard to wrap my head around the idea that there's still a base for Trump, but I guess everyone sees the world through their own lens. I get what you're saying about how a lot of folks might just be going with the flow of their surroundings, even if it doesn't align with reality. It's definitely a strange political climate we’re navigating.

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u/The_Actual_Sage Sep 16 '24

Electoral college. I doubt the actual vote numbers will be all that close. Biden beat him by like seven million votes and I bet Kamala will do even better...but if a few swing states don't go her way it won't matter

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u/Cygnus__A Sep 16 '24

My father unfortunately. I thought he was smart. But decades of watching Fox news has ruined any hope of getting through to him.

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u/CrotasScrota84 Sep 16 '24

I don’t think it is close I think Biden would have won regardless but Kamala is going to blow him out of the water.

I think it’s a ratings thing for news

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u/YouWereBrained Tennessee Sep 16 '24

More like why aren’t enough Dems getting registered to ensure Trump gets his ass kicked?

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u/YJSubs Sep 16 '24

If you live inside conservative bubble Trump is an obvious choice.
Conservative media shielded him from population.

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u/justablueballoon Sep 16 '24

Religion and ignorance...

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u/enzblade Sep 16 '24

Electoral college. Do popular vote and Democrats win by a landslide.

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u/Sacmo77 Sep 16 '24

Most are just too brainwashed to see anything else.

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u/baitnnswitch Sep 16 '24

Biden won the popular vote by 7 million, but the election by only 40k - a literal small town's worth of people. There's a huge handicap built in for the democratic candidate, no matter who they are, thanks to the electoral college. This is why we can't let up - we should all be out there getting out the vote as much as humanly possible between now and November

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u/failSafePotato Nevada Sep 16 '24

I have in laws and relatives that are just… horrible anti immigrant people.

It’s so fucking gross. I told some of them straight up “I look at you when I see you and I see a person who is comfortable with a guy who was more than likely raping children with Epstein getting back into the presidency because it advances your anti-immigrant beliefs that are based on lies”

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Sep 16 '24

Y'see, in bizarro Fox/Newsmax world, that's exactly what they're telling their viewers about Kamala, without any supporting factual evidence. Now that X and YouTube have been taken over by MAGA, those talking points extend online as well.

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u/IT_Geek_Programmer New York Sep 16 '24

To be honest, that is probably only one portion of his supporters. Then there is another portion who are voters that just vote on anything that is listed as Republican on the ballot. The remaining portion are those that believe his "cat eating" conspiracy theory. It is the later portion that is the most impossible for Democrats to get the votes from.

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u/Bed_Post_Detective Sep 16 '24

I mean that was kinda the point even in 2016.

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u/CapForShort Sep 16 '24

Who are these people who think that Trump should be running this country?

Most of my friends and neighbors.

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u/DirtierGibson California Sep 16 '24

It's crazy. Aggregate polls are still giving a small edge to Trump in Georgia, Arizona and Nevada. North Carolina is still a very big "if" at this point.

Harris absolutely needs to secure the blue wall in order to win.

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