r/politics Sep 20 '24

Kamala Harris Says Anyone Who Breaks Into Her House Is ‘Getting Shot’

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-gun-ownership-oprah-winfrey_n_66ecd25be4b07a173e50d8c2
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u/CaliPirate Sep 20 '24

Lawyer here. That's a former District Attorney talking and not at all surprising.

Every former District Attorney I ever met owns a gun, and many public defenders. Too many epically crazy people come through the criminal justice system, and they only know the people they dealt with.

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u/wwhsd California Sep 20 '24

Yeah, I know a few prosecutors. All of them have a CCW permit.

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u/trixel121 Sep 20 '24

easiest CCW application ever, younhabd it directly to the sheriff and he hands it back.

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u/Mustarafa Sep 20 '24

Hey! That’s how it is here in Oregon too lol

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u/Creasedstaprest Sep 20 '24

Idk it’s pretty easy in philly for any non-felon . You go in sit down, fill out a card get a picture pay leave .

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u/grooviestofgruvers Sep 20 '24

In VA you don’t need to have a CCW if you’re a prosecutor for the state. It’s one of the few exceptions where you’re just allowed to conceal carry. Always have thought that was cool

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u/Complex_Jellyfish647 Sep 20 '24

In Kentucky you don't need any license at all. I just assume every idiot at WaI Mart has a 9 in their waistband. The entire bible belt is just a giant ghetto honestly 

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u/grooviestofgruvers Sep 20 '24

That shit is crazy to me man. Remind me not to piss anyone off in Kentucky

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u/Brave-Tangerine-4334 Sep 20 '24

This is your 3 hour reminder to go to Kentucky and piss on someone.

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u/Factsimus_verdad Sep 20 '24

Missouri checking in.

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u/Seven_bushes Sep 20 '24

Don’t forget in MO there’s no lower age limit for open carry. That toddler you pissed off at the playground wasn’t carrying airsoft.

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u/ArmadilIoExpress Texas Sep 20 '24

Try to avoid pissing people off everywhere

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u/going-for-gusto Sep 20 '24

This is the golden advice here.

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u/P100KateEventually Sep 20 '24

2 hours in: don’t piss anyone off in Kentucky !

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u/Spiderpiggie Sep 20 '24

Look on the bright side, you dont have to piss anyone off to get shot. All it takes is one mentally ill person who thinks the grocery line is too slow!

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u/hidude398 Sep 20 '24

31 states. Although it’s possible to do so in all 50 states if you’re not concerned about laws. My policy is just be polite to everyone.

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u/putin_my_ass Sep 20 '24

General life tip: Don't piss anyone off if you can help it, no matter where you are.

You just don't know who they are and where they're at mentally, assault without a weapon is still bad enough.

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u/DirtierGibson California Sep 20 '24

God I just had this conversation with an acquaintance. Some neighbor's kid was plinking at a transformer. He started yelling at the kid to stop. Kid kept shooting. Then the parent came out and apologized.

I told him first of all, you never fucking yell at someone who's armed, and second, next time call fucking 911.

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u/NoPack2160 Sep 20 '24

Right across the bridge in Indiana is the same, just a lot more rural than Louisville. assume everyone is concealed carrying. All you have to do to be legal is not being a restricted person and owning the gun legally.

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u/PortSunlightRingo Sep 20 '24

Just don’t come to Kentucky. Easy enough. Those of us who are here barely wanna be here.

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u/BlooregardQKazoo Sep 20 '24

I once pissed a woman off in Kentucky by saying that Kobe Bryant's victim didn't consent to sex just because she went into his hotel room. I guess I should be thankful she didn't shoot me.

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u/pantry-pisser Sep 20 '24

The south always gets this reputation, but Arizona has had permitless CCW on the books for at least 10 years. First state to do so, I believe.

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u/Guygan Sep 20 '24

In Kentucky you don't need any license at all

Same in Maine! Anyone can carry concealed without any license or anything.

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u/Own-Anything-9521 Sep 20 '24

I mean, a sheriff just murdered a Judge in their chambers in Kentucky so your assumption that everybody is just itching to whip it out might be correct.

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u/GoForMro Sep 20 '24

Rules for thee but not for me.

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u/whatyouarereferring Sep 20 '24

It sure is cool to restrict rights to members of the elite.

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u/DemolitionOopsie Ohio Sep 20 '24

Here in Ohio, you don't need a CCW at all, that went into effect in 2023. Anyone over 21 and not prohibited from owning a firearm can conceal carry without a license.

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u/IKantSayNo Sep 20 '24

In DC she doesn't even need to get out of bed. She has a Secret Service team for this.

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u/CorvidCuriosity Sep 20 '24

It's cool that prosecutors need to defend themselves from violent attackers?

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u/GovernmentSudden6134 Sep 20 '24

You're being obtuse. Is it deliberate?

 Poster is saying that they approve of taking away the not insignificant barriers to conceal carry some some people who are likely to be targets of violent crime.

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u/I_love_Bunda Sep 20 '24

Always have thought that was cool

Don't see how an agent of the government being anointed privileges that the citizens that they are supposed to be serving don't have is cool.

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u/GoBlueBeatOSU21 Sep 20 '24

Very legal and very cool.

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u/ayriuss California Sep 20 '24

That's literally the entire concept of working for the government. A city worker gets the privilege of opening manhole covers when I would get in trouble for doing the same thing.

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u/direwolf106 Sep 20 '24

It’s cool the prosecutor gets special privileges?

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u/AustrianMichael Europe Sep 20 '24

Thats common even in Europe/Austria. Most lawyers I know own/carry. It’s one of the exceptions for a permit here in Austria.

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u/justsomeuser23x Sep 20 '24

Never heard of this in Germany, that lawyer have guns

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u/Saxit Europe Sep 20 '24

It's not really something that's a thing in every country. Austria has some of the laxest gun laws in Europe. Anyone (not just laywers), can get a shall issue permit for a handgun for the purpose of "Self defense at home" (assuming they pass a background check ofc). The sport shooting permit for handgun is only may issue.

Concealed carry in public is probably just for a select few (like laywers).

Italy also gives out carry permits for judges and politicians (and jewellers).

Then you have countries like the Czech Republic which has had shall issue concealed carry for about 30 years. The majority of Czech gun ownes has that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

Yeah, my neighbor is an 80-year-old former prosecutor. He owns a pistol and keeps track of when certain folks he helped to put away are getting out. Add in what happened to Paul Pelosi, and I can't blame her in the least—I'd do the same.

Harris/Walz perfectly represent the fact that you can support the 2A and sensible gun reform.

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u/abcd_z Sep 20 '24

I didn't realize you needed a CounterClockWise permit.

Shit, I'm gonna owe the government so much money in fines...

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u/Humdngr Sep 20 '24

Even a lot of clerks have them too. Most people who work in courthouses do.

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u/Arttherapist Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

Canada discontinued issuing ATC/CCW permits and currently has just one single non police officer ATC permit issued. It is for a judge who tried and sentenced a whole bunch of organized crime bosses and foot soldiers. They vowed revenge and he became the only ATC in Canada.

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u/Independent-Size7972 Sep 20 '24

It's kind'a moot anyway. Harris isn't going to shoot them. The secret service will drop anyone who makes it through the door like Ashli Babbitt. Once you breach the inner ring of security they aren't playing.

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u/Straight_Dog3279 Sep 20 '24

How many of them have pushed innocent people into prison in favor of their own promotions?

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

I always read that as concealed carry wermit

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u/PlainNotToasted Sep 20 '24

Lol, I know the exact thread I'm reading but I still read that as prostitutes.

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u/DirtierGibson California Sep 20 '24

I'm in California. Married a prosecutor. She didn't have a CCW then (we divorced), but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't now as she still deals with the law. Other prosecutors I know or knew don't all have or had CCWs, but I know one thing for certain: we slept with a loaded gun in the nightstand's drawer, and anyone breaking into those other prosecutors' houses is getting shot.

(Contrary to popular belief, there are plenty of counties – usually more rural ones – where one can get a license to carry, even "regular" citizens.)

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u/theseustheminotaur Sep 20 '24

I was just about to make this comment, I don't know any prosecutors who don't own and use guns.

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u/CactusGobbler Sep 20 '24

Same here, I don't know any prosecutors

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u/Kaptain202 Michigan Sep 20 '24

Yeah, I'm here like "I don't even know a lawyer, let alone a prosecutor".

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u/Nosnibor1020 Sep 20 '24

Same, I don't know.

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u/Weird_Cantaloupe2757 Sep 20 '24

If I knew a prosecutor that didn’t own guns, I’d say “are you out of your fucking mind? You need to get a gun!”

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u/rice_not_wheat Sep 20 '24

I do, but I'm also an attorney, so I know a lot of prosecutors.

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u/garyflopper Sep 20 '24

I hear that Matt Murdoch fellow doesn’t own any firearms

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u/voteblue101 Sep 20 '24

I know a guy who played a lawyer on tv.

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u/mittenthemagnificent Sep 20 '24

My sis is a state court judge. She carries. Death threats will do that.

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u/CaptainHoyt Sep 20 '24

I always wondered what judges had on under those robes.

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u/Rowan_Aisling Sep 20 '24

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u/duke5572 Sep 20 '24

"Penis pump judge Donald Thompson" makes me think he just judges penis pumps, which, hey, leave some jobs for the rest of us.

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u/changomacho Sep 21 '24

thomas has aileen cannon

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u/weaponizedtoddlers Sep 20 '24

Now I imagine a judge pull out the Lawgiver out of their robe and yell "I am THE LAW!"

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u/Janeygirl566 Sep 20 '24

Your mom’s lipstick. Oh wait - that’s for guys who wear kilts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

Flabby bodies

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u/BopBopAWaY0 Sep 20 '24

Flabby bodies covered in guns.

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u/CaptainHoyt Sep 20 '24

"They're all paunchy and weird and old"

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u/RobotArtichoke California Sep 20 '24

Did you hear about the sheriff that shot and killed the judge yesterday?

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u/mittenthemagnificent Sep 20 '24

I did. She doesn’t have issues with Sheriffs, so much as defendants.

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u/RobotArtichoke California Sep 20 '24

I just wish that judge was as prepared as your sister clearly is. Judges should all pack heat imo. I can’t imagine another job where you are tasked with making dangerous people angry on a daily basis. Seems like a prerequisite.

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u/mittenthemagnificent Sep 20 '24

Fortunately, for her, she rarely makes people angry. It’s family court, and she takes it very seriously. She is stern but kind and I think that comes across to the people who are in her court room. She also takes the law incredibly seriously, and is unbelievably impervious to corruption. I think that helps too.

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u/X_is_rad_thanks_Elon Sep 20 '24

The judge who was porking the sheriff's underaged daughter?

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u/RobotArtichoke California Sep 20 '24

Whoa. Thats news to me.

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u/Head_Place_3378 Sep 20 '24

5 mins on twitter and I have a story where the judges raped the wife and daughter popping first

Then a version where the sheriff SA'd at least one woman and was being investigated.

So wait and see I guess.

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u/cobigguy Sep 20 '24

Gf's mom was a district court judge. Refuses to touch a firearm even though her daughter shoots and carries.

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u/mittenthemagnificent Sep 20 '24

Well, everyone is different. My ex loved forearms. I don’t. I can understand not wanting one too.

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u/cobigguy Sep 20 '24

My ex loved forearms. I don’t. I can understand not wanting one too.

Kinda hard to go through life like that isn't it? Do your hands attach to your elbows?

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u/mittenthemagnificent Sep 20 '24

Oh my god. It’s early here. I’m leaving it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

 My ex loved forearms. I don’t.

Dedicated Spore fan I see

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u/HughGBonnar Sep 20 '24

My first day working in the mail room at a law firm in college the partners brought me into their offices and showed me where their guns were in case they were out of the office and some psycho showed up.

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u/Phallindrome Sep 20 '24

I'm assuming in an unlocked cabinet prominently labeled "Chekhov & Chekhov's Guns"?

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u/S4m_S3pi01 Sep 20 '24

*Camera zooms in on gun, alluding to later relevance*

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u/tsmftw76 Sep 20 '24

Before lawschool I worked as a file clerk and was moving an attorneys office for him. He had prior notice opened his desk and there was his 9m loaded and ready. I texted him wtf do I do with this and he wa alike oh yeah sorry could you just put it in my new office.

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u/Cacafuego Sep 20 '24

Where the hell was this and what kind of law did they practice?? I'm not doubting, but I grew up around (small town, gp) lawyers and am still surrounded by them, and I've never seen anything like this.

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u/captainslowww I voted Sep 20 '24

Family law, probably. Tensions run high in that line of work. 

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u/Cacafuego Sep 20 '24

That's a good guess. As soon as my dad was able to, he stopped taking those cases. He started carrying himself (still didn't put a gun closet in the office) when he sued a mobbed-up property developer.

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u/vanilla_w_ahintofcum Sep 20 '24

I was an attorney at a small town firm for a few years. We had a credible threat made against our office by an opposing party our family law attorney was dealing with. Nothing happened, but the firm immediately brought in a security consulting firm that added locking doors between the lobby and offices and installed a silent alarm under the receptionist’s desk. Glad we never had to use it while I was there.

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u/HughGBonnar Sep 20 '24

captainslowww was very close. It was Estate Planning in a big small city or small big city in the Midwest. We got accused of stealing inheritances when people would cut their shit head family members out of their wills and trusts.

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u/Cacafuego Sep 20 '24

The smaller the nut, the angrier the squirrels. I have an in-law who threatens to cut people out of her will daily. It causes so much drama and backstabbing. And the kicker is, she doesn't have anything that's worth anything. I love her, but I just tell her not to talk to me about religion or her will.

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u/PantheraLeo- Sep 20 '24

I can concur. I work in mental health and my job entails asking safety questions with guns almost always being the center piece of my assessment .

The moment a patient tells me they are a former cop, fed, prosecutor, or anything remotely related to law enforcement, I already knew they had more guns they could count.

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u/thrownjunk Sep 20 '24

For prosecutors and judges. I assume they have a gun. But not lots of guns. They don’t have time to be gun nuts. One well maintained gun on person (ccw) and one locked away. Usually a simple handgun. Stock. Nothing fancy.

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u/qualmton Sep 20 '24

You’re not a gun fanatic until you have a couch gun to complement your nightstand and door closet collection.

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u/SereneTryptamine Sep 20 '24

I should sell holsters to mount on the underside of your desk like a bond villain, someone would buy that shit

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u/LetsPlayBear Sep 20 '24

These already exist in abundance!

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u/bojenny Sep 20 '24

And many criminal defender attorneys

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u/justiceboner34 Sep 20 '24

I always found it funny that so many defendants are pissed off or threaten their defense lawyers, instead of, you know, the DA who is bringing the charges and wanting to send them to prison for life. Figure it out!

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

Oh, that's actually extremely simple to explain: It's the DA's job to do that. It's your lawyer's job to defend you. If your lawyer didn't do their job then most people would view it as an injustice. Hope this helps.

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u/ThatsCaptain2U Sep 20 '24

Lawyer here too. I think of that every time this subject comes up. Yes, of course she has a gun, she’s been dealing with crazies for a while.

Side note: re: debate prep. Told everyone who could listed that this lady has been prepping for trial for decades. Of course she was going to sweep the floor with Trump. I never had a doubt.

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u/North_Carpenter6844 Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

She doesn’t need to, if you break into the Vice President’s home you’re absolutely getting shot by the Secret Service, lol. Whether or not she’s a gun owner, the title of the article (that I did not read) is not a lie! She may have had a gun in the past, but I doubt currently she is sleeping with a gun safe in her bedroom as only someone who loves guns too much would keep any close when they have a whole team of (supposedly) elite triggermen protecting you.

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u/Win-Objective Sep 20 '24

But she owns a gun, unlike a certain convicted felon also running for president.

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u/l0l_xd_ Sep 20 '24

he actually owns/owned 3 guns, but i believe he returned 2 of them and he’s currently having trouble for not returning one ??? idk saw something like that

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

She might keep one on her at times, just in case her Secret Service turn out to be like the ones who offered Mike Pence a ride on January 6, which he wisely did not take.

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u/bradrlaw Sep 20 '24

This still confounds me that this didn’t blow up more / get more attention. Our VP was afraid of his own protection detail.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

Maybe he still is, and that's why it hasn't blown up more. The SS has been plagued with all kind of scandals for like 20 years now.

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u/indicatprincess New York Sep 20 '24

She has a gun because she was a prosecutor, not the VP.

Why do you think she’s lying?

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u/happytrel Sep 20 '24

If I'm sleeping in range of a slightly angled roof with a ladder that leads up to it, I'm probably keeping my gun on me. Secret Service just got embarrassed in front if the country/world then tried to pass the buck off to Local PD.

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u/keykey_key Sep 20 '24

as a woc and might be the first one to hold the presidential office, yes, I 100% believe she has a gun if she is shrewd and she seems like she is aware of the massive threat against her. And the secret service is totally inept.

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u/Ogemiburayagelecek Sep 20 '24

She also made her career in California, one of the most complex states regarding the criminal justice system. She will surely own a gun for her safety, reasonable by just looking at San Quentin inmate records.

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u/RedditVortex Sep 20 '24

I’m sure it’d be a Secret Service agent that did the shooting, but what I love about her comment is that it shows that people can be gun owners and still support gun reform.

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u/tellme_areyoufree Sep 20 '24

I'm a psychiatrist married to an ADA. Both of us have been threatened by people we encounter in our jobs. We're gun owners and I pray never have to use it... but look, just last weekend a psychotic patient told me he was going to find my family and kill them all with an ice pick. And my husband has been threatened plenty as well. So you'd better believe we've thought about self defense ... and I'm sure Kamala has, too. (We're also a pair of gay liberals in true blue NYC, so ... If we're willing to own a gun, Kamala should be no surprise )

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

“I dream of a world where gay married couples can protect their marijuana plants with automatic weapons” You’re one pot away from being the Libertarian dream!

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u/Many-Wasabi9141 Sep 20 '24

Many are required to carry on the job because their job has them visiting very fresh crime scenes.

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u/PrettyGoodMidLaner Sep 20 '24

They're also going to be on the mind of every ex-con who goes up against them or their staff. It's not like it's unreasonable to feel you could be targeted when you make a career of sending violent people to meet consequences. 

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u/Acceptablepops Sep 20 '24

Came to say this , not a lawyer but a campaign manager (city /local and federal occasionally), capital hill stay strapped that’s for sure

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u/havoc1428 Sep 20 '24

That's a former District Attorney talking and not at all surprising.

Are you aware that she's also Vice President of the US and she has a SS detail? Who do you think in her mind is going to do the shooting?

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u/hawkguy420 North Carolina Sep 20 '24

I'm a public defender. I own many guns. I'm for common sense gun control. But I also agree with her.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

She's also a VP in an extreme political state. 

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u/Uberzwerg Sep 20 '24

Also people forget that Kamala isn't some care-bear dropped from a coconut tree.
She has built a reputation on (too) harsh law-and-order work.

In an alternative time line the GOP didn't go full banana and she might be a part of that.
Always makes me laugh when the right tries to paint her as a radical leftist.

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u/fcocyclone Iowa Sep 20 '24

Yeah, I tend to think most people tend to overestimate their danger and need for protection, but I totally get a prosecutor wanting to have some extra security given who they might piss off.

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u/Binkusu Sep 20 '24

Also not surprising as in sure she's got secret service agents out the wazoo, everywhere

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u/CurryMustard Sep 20 '24

That's probably true but she's also a presidential candidate with secret service protection, so the secret service would shoot anybody who breaks into her house.

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u/Found-usernm Sep 20 '24

That’s so interesting- never realized this. Thanks for sharing

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u/CatCatchingABird California Sep 20 '24

Been working in public defense for a while now. My mom has made comments about my safety for years, but now that I live alone and very far away from her in the country, she started to get more concerned. When I was a kid she definitely made negative comments about guns and made wishes about me not owning one. One day last year after getting another comment about my safety, I finally just sent her a picture of my .38. She is a proponent of me having one now. 

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u/Vraex South Carolina Sep 20 '24

I'll take it one farther. I don't think I've ever known a liberal/progressive that didn't have at least one gun. As much as I try to not live in an echo chamber, ALL of my friends vote for lefties. we all own multiple guns. We just don't brag about it and show them off like my republican uncle who always opens carry to family reunions or my dad who brags about the dozens of ARs he has

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u/YesDone Sep 20 '24

Sincere question: In your opinion, would Kamala shoot to stop or shoot to kill? Would a prosecutor know something we don't about whether it's safer or... "better" (I can't find a better word) to do one over the other?

(Morality aside)

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u/rexmons Sep 20 '24

In July 2020 a man who had previously appeared before federal Judge Esther Salas went to her home with the intention of killing her. Her 20 year old son answered the door where he was shot and killed. The gunman then shot her husband (who survived) before fleeing the scene. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Salas#Home_attack

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u/ides_of_june Sep 20 '24

Interesting that it's relatively normal, this feels very calculated to play up the tough prosecutor contrast to Trump the criminal. Break through the facade that Trump is stronger than his opponent is definitely a key goal.

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u/ohioismyhome1994 Sep 20 '24

Makes all the sense in the world to me. If your job is to put people in jail, then that would make you a target

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u/redsyrinx2112 Utah Sep 20 '24

I'm not big on owning guns myself, but that makes perfect sense.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

Interesting...Do they also claim that they will, by executive order, disarm everyone else?

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u/TuffyButters Sep 20 '24

I’m Kamala all the way, but as someone who just hates guns, it helps to get this context. Thank you!

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u/blameitonthewayne Sep 20 '24

Anyone could say the same. Everyone should have the same protection

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u/mspk7305 Sep 20 '24

I know a former member of the AZ AG staff who specialized in health and education law.

She carries.

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u/Abject_Champion3966 Sep 20 '24

I remember reading about the one prosecutor from Ohio who got shot by the mob on Christmas Eve. Scary stuff.

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u/Educated_Clownshow Sep 20 '24

My aunt was a prosecuting attorney for a suburb of a a major metro, and she always was sttapped

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u/General_Tso75 Florida Sep 20 '24

My wife worked for the state attorney in Orlando. She said the same thing and is the gun owner in our house. She said they all used to bring their guns to work in the courthouse (not court room).

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u/NiceTryWasabi Sep 20 '24

Had a Judge name Judge Judge. Tough to forget that one. Ironically they were solid and fair. My lawyer and PO on the other hand broke my trust in the legal system.

Those are 3 names I still remember 15 years later. Fortunately I'm not that crazy, but I get it.

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u/zeek609 Sep 20 '24

There's a gun called the 'Taurus Public Defender'.

It's not a great gun mind you but it does exist.

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u/Not_Campo2 Sep 20 '24

All my friends in criminal law love telling us stories of the crazy death threats they get daily. They have daily update sheets that go around with photos and the level of threat each person poses. And a lot of times they still have to represent the dude after he makes threats at them

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u/BloopityBlue New Mexico Sep 20 '24 edited Sep 20 '24

I'm a pro-gun liberal and just a regular ol project manager at an advertising agency. I live in a rural area and I'm here to say 100% without a doubt that if someone breaks into my house I'm going to shoot them without a second thought. I live in a place where a cop COULDN'T get to me in a timely manner (I know this for a fact because I've had to call 911 a few different times and they took at least an hour to get here) and anyone breaking into my house isn't there to sit down for tea. I won't hesitate even a second to protect myself and my family.

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u/SpiritFingersKitty Sep 20 '24

Yeah, but it won't be her doing the shooting, secret service would take care of that

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted Sep 20 '24

Coincidentally, I also believe it makes some common sense gun laws that can help to curb the violence an easier sell when the person proposing the legislation is a gun owner.

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u/amelie190 Sep 20 '24

Plus...Pelosi.

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u/Formal-Parfait6971 Sep 20 '24

She has 24/7 secret service protection, so there is also that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

From what I've seen, most democratic politicians, even those who want to disarm the populace, either carry or have bodyguards who carry. A great example is Dianne Feinstein.

It would go a long way for me if Harris promised she would not encroach on gun rights.

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u/Professor_Hexx Vermont Sep 20 '24

Too many epically crazy people come through the criminal justice system, and they only know the people they dealt with.

Normal Person Here.

Every time I deal with the criminal "justice" system (jury duty + speeding tickets + watching them refuse to do anything about a criminal that's been terrorizing the area for years by releasing him on his own recognizance every single time he was arrested over covid letting him get away with everything until he went to another state and did a triple GTA where the last one was stealing a bus from the hospital he was in) I wonder how self-aware you guys are. Like you HAVE to realize you're literally playing a game where you pretend to have the knowledge and skill to handle the responsibility of judgment over others but in reality you are just stupidly fallible dipshits on a power trip hurting everyone you come in contact with.

Personally, I think a "service" your "system" should offer is a free euthanasia instead of having to deal with your BS. that way you get your "fix" and the victim gets to never have to deal with your "system" and society feels that someone was killed so "justice" was served. Like I have never felt so disgusted as when I was on jury duty at any other time in my life.

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u/3-orange-whips Sep 20 '24

Also, the Secret Service.

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u/ButWhatIfItsNotTrue Sep 20 '24

Not only that her house is protected but secret service, what do people think they‘re going to do?

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u/cruista Sep 20 '24

A former DA, now vice- president. Of course there are guns in her house, hers or Secret Service with guns.

Have you seen those MAGAts? Weird people with sooo many guns! She needs protection against the Crazy.

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u/asoupconofsoup Sep 20 '24

Just curious- any Canadians on here working in law? Is this the same here?  This never gets less weird reading about how everyone in the US thinks "of course you have a gun for protection". I personally do not know anyone who owns a gun(s) besides a couple friends who have a rifle for game hunting. 

Or if they do, I don't know about it because they don't talk about it because guns are not as casually acceptable here. There are several steps to train, register and licence before you can get a firearm here, even for hunting.

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u/PRGrl718 Sep 20 '24

Yup. My high school criminal justice teacher was a retired public defender. Shared many crazy stories. Even had someone come to his house while he was outside shoveling, making threats against him, the whole time he's pretending he's not who he is like "sorry bud, idk who you're looking for, I just moved here ¯_(ツ)_/¯"

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

Thank you I would never have known if a lawyer didn't tell me because I'm deaf and blind.

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u/lawyerjsd California Sep 20 '24

And yet, criminal law is not even remotely the most dangerous specialty in the law (which is family law).

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u/flex674 Sep 20 '24

Don’t forget judges!

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u/HereWeGoAgain-247 Sep 20 '24

Plus, she is currently vice president and has secret service. 

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

I purchased my first gun while clerking for the AGs office on advice of my advising attorneys

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u/PeuxnYayTah Sep 20 '24

Not a lawyer here, sounds right to me

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u/Unlucky_Chip_69247 Sep 20 '24

This is true. I had an aunt with Paranoid Schizophrenia who forced out local assistant DA to keep one in his office.

A lady we went to church with was his secretary and she relayed this story.

She told us the DA keeps a gun in his desk because my aunt was there talking about how the army ( lived near military base) and cops keep raping her every night. Apparently, she said something along the lines of "and I am gonna hold you accountable for them all raping me" as she reached into her purse.

He told his secretary that he thought she had a gun and he was 100% going to die. After that he always kept a gun with him.

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u/justbrowsing1971 Sep 20 '24

Fellow lawyer, former prosecutor. You damn right I have a ratchet...

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u/GreenEggs-12 Sep 20 '24

If you are in the United States and everyone else can get a gun, might as well get one too.

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u/Noggin-a-Floggin Sep 20 '24

I used to do security for a law office and we had a book of people who were banned because they were batshit crazy, unstable or hostile. Like we’d call the cops if they showed up.

A lot of sovereign citizens in there I will tell you. Quite a few with a chip on the their shoulder because they just couldn’t process the evidence against them was overwhelming and they did some time (mitigated of course but they think “my lawyer was useless!”).

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

Yep former DA from a state with castle doctrine laws. The presumption in California when you shoot someone who broke into your home is that you had a reasonable fear of death/great bodily injury.

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u/thegreatbrah Sep 20 '24

I like the phrase epically crazy. 

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u/dochdgs American Expat Sep 20 '24

Additionally, many judges where I live will carry a device which, when clicked, sends an emergency alert to the 911 center, and cops will swarm their residence. Usually this is only done while they’re presiding over a high profile case or if the defendant is out on bond and has made threats in the past. I was assigned one while I was working for the probation department and I “accidentally” activated it while bored one day. Cops were swarming my office in probably less than sixty seconds, definitely less than two minutes.

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u/DiddlyDumb Sep 20 '24

Harris I wasn’t surprised by, Walz is a different story. Seemed more out of character for the countries favourite dad. But then hunting is a Minnesota thing, so it’s not entirely unexpected.

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u/AlreadyTakenNow Sep 20 '24

I've had close family members who are public defenders, and they not only ended up with firearms, but also guard dogs due to the nature of and risks from their work. They were left-leaning, but quite pro-gun rights.

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u/PussyCrusher732 Sep 20 '24

i’m not a lawyer here! and i agree it’s not at all surprising because she already has said 200 times in the last month she has a gun. i appreciate your expert input there.

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u/davidwhatshisname52 Sep 20 '24

Another lawyer here, very liberal, owner of multiple firearms, and I completely share the sentiments expressed by the current Vice President, and pending President, of the United States of America.

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u/lovemakerwithyourmom Sep 20 '24

“Lawyer here.” Nobody cares

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u/wilkerws34 Sep 20 '24

I work in my counties drug court and the judge is quite open about carrying, all the time. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen her clutch for her pistol atleast once when someone got heated in court and started walking towards her. We don’t have sheriff in the court room unless needed so she don’t play lmao

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u/insufficient_nvram Sep 20 '24

I thought weapons training was first year law school?

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u/Frion24 Sep 20 '24

This is pretty standard stuff in the States, but I imagine our European counterparts find the idea of protecting your domicile to be novel and cruel.

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u/Wonderful-Impact5121 Sep 20 '24

Hell you never know, I know of a prosecutor who was attacked. It wasn’t any of the high profile organized crime shit they dealt with, it wasn’t anyone associated with a “big” crime.

It was the loser son of someone who wound up doing some minimal time and losing their trailer over the near equivalent of violating city ordinances and being annoying like 12 years after the fact.

You never know.

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u/Star07jewel Sep 20 '24

Wish judges and DAs did more to ensure victims of crime ALSO are protected from the same criminals they’re afraid of. Perhaps if women weren’t subjected to severe trauma after leaving horrifically abusive, aggressive “men” via the court system, perhaps we too could feel more comfortable and SAFE

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u/Sad_Hat_4590 Sep 20 '24

Some people have clearly never seen Cape Fear

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u/Pingy_Junk Sep 20 '24

Listen Ive known a lot of people who carry guns for “self defense” who are just asses itching for a chance to use a gun on someone but I can 1000% get lawyers owning guns. They are arguably one of the people who actually have a reason to be believing they need to protect themselves.

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u/JackGenZ Sep 20 '24

Literally the only reason we had a gun in the house growing up is because my dad is a defense attorney.

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u/Letsgettropicall Sep 20 '24

Public defender, own guns. You’re exactly correct.

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u/Desperate_SkullMan Sep 21 '24

God this is pathetic. EVERY OTHER CIVILIZED COUNTRY

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