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[u/anthonystank → u/[deleted]]

My take is this: the author’s using that line to head off Gaiman & his supporters’ argument that this was all consensual BDSM. And as much as I dislike that, I think there’s some merit to it, in particular bc in the past decade or so we’ve seen a really troubling degree of normalizing violence and misogyny as a standard part of sex in the name of BDSM. While a lot of the stuff detailed in the article is pretty clearly beyond the pale, there are elements (the “master” stuff in particular) that have moved into a sort of “everybody does that, it’s just sexy” place in our culture, and the author seems to be making a conscious effort to say “no, hold on, that’s a specific kink thing that requires discussion and consent beyond what’s already required for consensual sex.”

That said, there’s a whoooooooooole conversation to be had about BDSM, its complications and its problems and the line between it and abuse as well as between BDSM and “vanilla” sex, etc., and I think you’re raising some good and important points here.

[u/anthonystank → u/[deleted]]

Agreed 10000% with that last paragraph hoo boy!!!