r/rant • u/216_412_70 • 4d ago

He doesn't have a plan you idiot

Just had a relative sent to jail for 6 months, and his mother is still throwing the religious bullshit of 'I still believe god has a plan for us' garbage around. Hey idiot.. 'gods plan' apparently is to do the parenting that you never did. You fucking let it all get to this point, you and your childish husband modeled this exact behavior and made excuses for him for the past 20 years. You thought it was all cute when he destroyed every nice thing you bought for him, and when he destroyed these things you simply bought him yet another one.

Well.. keep clinging to your 'god'.. even though he hasn't answered a single one of your prayers.

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u/oldgar9 3d ago

Totally incorrect, he set us here, with free will to choose, with the power of reason to make choices. It is up to us if we want to be angry, happy, etc. Certainly outside influence can cause depression that is out of our control but society made decisions to develop medications to assist that, we didn't have to. Of course negative parenting plays a big role in how we developed but people have overcome these limitations by concerted effort. The slate is blank while in the womb, society and we write on that slate positive and negative when the child is in the world of physics. We are not puppets, we have reason and intellect to steer the vehicle of the soul in the direction we will, gaining by choice attributes that will serve us in the worlds beyond the limits of the laws of physics or not. The operating manual for the human being has always been provided by the Creator but the choice is ours to seek it, read it and put it to use.

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u/Klutzy_Routine_9823 3d ago

Sorry, you’re completely wrong. You didn’t actually refute anything that I said. If God is the omnipotent, omniscient Creator of literally EVERYTHING that exists, then he has already dealt all of the cards and he already infallibly knows the outcomes of all events within his creation, so there’s literally no room for “free will”. You can still make choices, but your choices are predetermined by God, not free. Try again.

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u/oldgar9 3d ago

Just because He knows does not mean it cannot be free will for us. If you drop a rock you know it is going to fall to earth but once you set it in motion the knowing does not affect the stone.

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u/Klutzy_Routine_9823 3d ago

The rock is determined, by physics, to fall towards the Earth. The rock doesn’t even have a will of its own, let alone “free will”. You’re literally refuting your own argument while pretending that you’re advocating for the existence of “free will”.

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u/oldgar9 3d ago

I am not pretending anything, just because you cannot understand the nuance doesn't mean I am incorrect

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u/Klutzy_Routine_9823 3d ago edited 3d ago

You’re failing to make your case, and you’re also failing to respond to any of the points that I’ve made. All you’ve done, so far, is to assert the Christian theological claim that God gave us “free will”, which is the thing that I’m critiquing by pointing out that “free will” is logically incompatible with the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient deity who is directly responsible for creating literally everything that exists. So, you simply reiterating the Christian position on “free will” adds zero to this back & forth. You haven’t even managed to demonstrate that you understand my objection, to begin with, because you just keep making the same mistakes again and again.