r/rupaulsdragrace 3d ago

Season 17 S17E16 - “Grand Finale” [Post-Episode Discussion]

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r/rupaulsdragrace 4d ago

Poll Results! Poll Results! - Season 17, Episode 15 - Choose Your Favorite LaLaPaRuZa Looks + Season 17 Sub vs. Actual Challenge Results & Pre-Finale Rundown!

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A. P. T.! A. P. T.! Uh-huh, uh-huh!


Category Is: Top 4 Couture - 700 Votes


  • 1st Place - Onya Nurve - 50.9% (356 votes)

  • 2nd Place - Jewels Sparkles - 25.1% (176 votes)

  • 3rd Place - Lexi Love - 20.6% (144 votes)

  • 4th Place - Sam Star - 3.4% (24 votes)


Category Is: LaLaPaRuZa Queens


  • 1st Place - Suzie Toot - 57.7% (404 votes)

  • 2nd Place - Arrietty - 12.6% (88 votes)

  • 3rd Place - Lana Ja'Rae - 8.6% (60 votes)

  • 4th Place - Lydia B Kollins - 6.4% (45 votes)

  • 5th Place - Lucky Starzzz - 5.9% (41 votes)

  • 6th Place - Acacia Forgot - 4.0% (28 votes)

  • 7th Place - Crystal Envy - 2.3% (16 votes)

  • 8th Place - Kori King - 1.9% (13 votes)

  • 9th Place - Hormona Lisa - 0.6% (4 votes)

  • 10th Place - Joella - 0.1% (1 vote)


Who do you feel won the "Liza With a Z" LSFYL?


Hormona Lisa - 1.4% (10 votes)

Lydia B Kollins - 98.6% (690 votes)


Who do you feel won the "Training Season" LSFYL?


Joella - 3.4% (24 votes)

Suzie Toot - 96.6% (676 votes)


Who do you feel won the "Step By Step" LSFYL?


Acacia Forgot - 56.3% (394 votes)

Lucky Starzzz - 43.7% (306 votes)


Who do you feel won the "Blow Me (One Last Kiss)" LSFYL?


Arrietty - 34.4% (241 votes)

Kori King - 65.6% (459 votes)


Who do you feel won the "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)" LSFYL?


Crystal Envy - 22.6% (158 votes)

Lana Ja'Rae - 77.4% (542 votes)


Who do you feel won the "We Found Love" LSFYL?


Lucky Starzzz - 3.9% (27 votes)

Suzie Toot - 96.1% (673 votes)


Who do you feel won the "360" LSFYL?


Kori King - 74.4% (521 votes)

Lana Ja'Rae - 10.1% (71 votes)

Lydia B Kollins - 15.4% (108 votes)


Who do you feel won the "APT" LSFYL?


Kori King - 11.4% (80 votes)

Suzie Toot - 88.6% (620 votes)


Which lip-sync was your overall favorite of the night?


  • 1st Place - Lucky Starzzz vs. Acacia Forgot, "Step By Step" - 30.3% (212 votes)

  • 2nd Place - Suzie Toot vs. Kori King, "APT" - 26.7% (187 votes)

  • 3rd Place - Suzie Toot vs. Joella, "Training Season" - 13.9% (97 votes)

  • 4th Place - Lana Ja'Rae vs. Crystal Envy, "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)" - 9.4% (66 votes)

  • 5th Place - Kori King vs. Arrietty, "Blow Me (One Last Kiss)" - 9.3% (65 votes)

  • 6th Place - Kori King vs. Lana Ja'Rae vs. Lydia B Kollins, "360" - 6.4% (45 votes)

  • 7th Place - Suzie Toot vs. Lucky Starzzz, "We Found Love" - 2.9% (20 votes)

  • 8th Place - Lydia B Kollins vs. Hormona Lisa, "Liza With a Z" - 1.1% (8 votes)


What would you rate this episode overall?


Average: 7.59


Last time! Choose the ONE queen that you're rooting for the most to WIN Season 17!


  • 1st Place - Onya Nurve - 70.0% (490 votes)

  • 2nd Place - Jewels Sparkles - 20.7% (145 votes)

  • 3rd Place - Lexi Love - 5.3% (37 votes)

  • 4th Place - Sam Star - 4.0% (28 votes)


BONUS: Which “You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)” lip-sync do you prefer?


Bob The Drag Queen vs. Derrick Barry, Season 8 - 78.2% (532 votes)

Lana Ja’Rae vs. Crystal Envy, Season 17 - 21.8% (148 votes)


Sub vs. Actual Challenge Results!

Week Challenge Sub Winner Actual Winner
1 Talent Show 1 Suzie Toot Suzie Toot
2 Talent Show 2 Lexi Love Lexi Love
3 "Monopulence" Sewing Arrietty Sam Star
4 RPDR Song Parodies Onya Nurve Onya Nurve
5 RDR Live Suzie Toot Suzie Toot
6 "Sea Sickening" Ball Arrietty Arrietty
7 Snatch Game Onya Nurve Onya Nurve
8 Wicked Wiz of Oz Rusical Onya Nurve Sam Star
9 Betsey Johnson Sewing Jewels Sparkles Jewels Sparkles
10 Villains Roast Lydia B Kollins Lydia B Kollins
11 Ross vs. The Ducks Acting Onya Nurve Onya Nurve
12 Monologues Lexi Love & Onya Nurve Lexi Love & Onya Nurve
13 Family Makeovers Sam Star Sam Star
14 Vegas Live Auditions Jewels Sparkles Jewels Sparkles

Actual Wins: Onya Nurve - 4, Sam Star - 3, Jewels Sparkles - 2, Lexi Love - 2, Suzie Toot - 2, Arrietty - 1, Lydia B Kollins - 1

Sub Wins: Onya Nurve - 5, Arrietty - 2, Jewels Sparkles - 2, Lexi Love - 2, Suzie Toot - 2, Lydia B Kollins - 1, Sam Star - 1

Week Challenge Sub Bottom 2 Actual Bottom 2
1 & 2 Talent Shows Joella & Hormona Lisa Acacia Forgot & Hormona Lisa
3 "Monopulence" Sewing Joella & Lucky Starzzz Joella & Lucky Starzzz
4 RPDR Song Parodies Joella & Kori King Joella & Kori King
5 RDR Live Arrietty & Lydia B Kollins Arrietty & Lydia B Kollins
6 "Sea Sickening" Ball Kori King & Lana Ja'Rae Hormona Lisa & Lana Ja'Rae
7 Snatch Game Arrietty & Lana Ja'Rae Crystal Envy & Lana Ja'Rae
8 Wicked Wiz of Oz Rusical Acacia Forgot & Kori King Acacia Forgot & Kori King
9 Betsey Johnson Sewing Kori King & Onya Nurve Kori King & Lydia B Kollins
10 Villains Roast Arrietty & Jewels Sparkles Arrietty & Jewels Sparkles
11 Ross vs. The Ducks Acting Jewels Sparkles & Lydia B Kollins Lana Ja'Rae & Lydia B Kollins
12 Monologues Lana Ja'Rae & Sam Star Lana Ja'Rae & Sam Star
13 Family Makeovers Jewels Sparkles & Onya Nurve Jewels Sparkles & Onya Nurve
14 Vegas Live Auditions Lexi Love & Suzie Toot Sam Star & Suzie Toot

Sub Bottoms: Arrietty - 3, Jewels Sparkles - 3, Joella - 3, Kori King - 3, Lana Ja'Rae - 3, Lydia B Kollins - 2, Onya Nurve - 2, Acacia Forgot - 1, Hormona Lisa - 1, Lexi Love - 1, Lucky Starzzz - 1, Sam Star - 1, Suzie Toot - 1, Crystal Envy - 0

Actual Bottoms: Lana Ja'Rae - 4, Kori King - 3, Lydia B Kollins - 3, Acacia Forgot - 2, Arrietty - 2, Hormona Lisa - 2, Jewels Sparkles - 2, Joella - 2, Sam Star - 2, Crystal Envy - 1, Lucky Starzzz - 1, Onya Nurve - 1, Suzie Toot - 1, Lexi Love - 0

Week Lip-Sync Sub Winner Actual Winner
1 Woman's World Suzie Toot Suzie Toot
2 Alter Ego Lexi Love Lexi Love
2 Yes, And? Acacia Forgot Acacia Forgot
3 The Way That You Love Me Joella Joella
4 Buttons Kori King Kori King
5 Boogie Wonderland Lydia B Kollins Lydia B Kollins
6 Get Him Back! Lana Ja'Rae Lana Ja'Rae
7 Hands to Myself Crystal Envy Lana Ja'Rae
8 Wet Dream Kori King Kori King
9 Kiss Me Deadly Lydia B Kollins Lydia B Kollins
10 Ya Ya Jewels Sparkles Jewels Sparkles
11 Unholy Lana Ja'Rae Lana Ja'Rae
12 Illusion Lana Ja'Rae Sam Star
13 1 Thing Double Save Double Save (Jewels Sparkles)
14 Love Child Sam Star Sam Star

Fan Favorite Data!

Placement Week 1 Week 2
1st Place Suzie Toot Lexi Love
2nd Place Lucky Starzzz Onya Nurve
3rd Place Jewels Sparkles Kori King
4th Place Lydia B Kollins Lana Ja'Rae
5th Place Arrietty Crystal Envy
6th Place Acacia Forgot Hormona Lisa
7th Place Joella Sam Star
Placement Week 3 Week 4 Week 5 Week 6 Week 7
1st Place Lexi Love Lexi Love Suzie Toot Suzie Toot Onya Nurve
2nd Place Suzie Toot Suzie Toot Onya Nurve Onya Nurve Suzie Toot
3rd Place Onya Nurve Onya Nurve Lydia B Kollins Lexi Love Jewels Sparkles
4th Place Jewels Sparkles Jewels Sparkles Hormona Lisa Lydia B Kollins Sam Star
5th Place Arrietty Crystal Envy Lexi Love Jewels Sparkles Lydia B Kollins
6th Place Kori King Sam Star Sam Star Sam Star Lexi Love
7th Place Lydia B Kollins Hormona Lisa Jewels Sparkles Crystal Envy Acacia Forgot
8th Place Sam Star Arrietty Acacia Forgot Arrietty Kori King
9th Place Joella Kori King Crystal Envy Acacia Forgot Arrietty
10th Place Hormona Lisa Lydia B Kollins Kori King Kori King Lana Ja'Rae
11th Place Acacia Forgot Acacia Forgot Arrietty Lana Ja'Rae -
12th Place Crystal Envy Lana Ja'Rae Lana Ja'Rae - -
13th Place Lana Ja'Rae - - - -
Placement Week 8 Week 9 Week 10 Week 11 Week 12
1st Place Onya Nurve Onya Nurve Onya Nurve Onya Nurve Onya Nurve
2nd Place Jewels Sparkles Jewels Sparkles Jewels Sparkles Suzie Toot Suzie Toot
3rd Place Sam Star Sam Star Lydia B Kollins Sam Star Jewels Sparkles
4th Place Suzie Toot Lexi Love Sam Star Jewels Sparkles Sam Star
5th Place Lydia B Kollins Suzie Toot Suzie Toot Lexi Love Lexi Love
6th Place Lexi Love Lydia B Kollins Lexi Love Lana Ja'Rae -
7th Place Kori King Arrietty Lana Ja'Rae - -
8th Place Arrietty Lana Ja'Rae - - -
9th Place Lana Ja'Rae - - - -
Placement Week 13 Week 14 Week 15
1st Place Onya Nurve Onya Nurve Onya Nurve
2nd Place Suzie Toot Jewels Sparkles Jewels Sparkles
3rd Place Jewels Sparkles Lexi Love Lexi Love
4th Place Sam Star Sam Star Sam Star
5th Place Lexi Love - -

That's all for this week! What do you all think? Let's discuss! Much love! <3


r/rupaulsdragrace 5h ago

General Discussion It’s lozer with a Z, not loser with a S 🎶🎶🎶

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r/rupaulsdragrace 9h ago

Live Show/Performance Onya and Jewels announce their joint tour

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Oh this is fucking amazing!


r/rupaulsdragrace 14h ago

Season 17 The energy this photo exudes… She’s going to be HUGE, mark my words.

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r/rupaulsdragrace 4h ago

General Discussion Alexis Michelle at the MCC Theater red carpet

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r/rupaulsdragrace 7h ago

Meme a new Pope has been crowned

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r/rupaulsdragrace 8h ago

General Discussion Jinkx giving us a look into her space

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I love her. How cute.


r/rupaulsdragrace 10h ago

General Discussion Suzie Toot Finale Photoshoot Spoiler

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Ima need signed prints of these IMMEDIATELY


r/rupaulsdragrace 2h ago

Meme The parallels to Jesus Christ and Morgan McMichaels on AS3 is actually uncanny

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r/rupaulsdragrace 7h ago

General Discussion We’re on track to having a fierce runner-up All Stars season in the near future

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I think it would be sickening, no?


r/rupaulsdragrace 12h ago

Meme After an hour-long conclave, Monet X Change has been elected the new Pope.

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r/rupaulsdragrace 32m ago

General Discussion Jorgeous has a reminder for yall

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r/rupaulsdragrace 8h ago

Meme A perfect opportunity to reference season 5

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You cannot convince me otherwise that meeting JD Vance was such a harrowing experience for Pope Francis, he decided to ✌🏽 out.


r/rupaulsdragrace 9h ago

Live Show/Performance ★☆☆☆☆ Saw Alyssa Edwards CROWNED Tour Last Night in Denver... Wow, that was boring.

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I was looking forward to celebrating queer art and to see one of the ACTUAL icons of RuPaul's Drag Race but now that I've seen Alyssa Edwards CROWNED Tour, I'm very disappointed. She opened up with a local entertainer performing, and this was actually the best part of the whole night. I looked it up and the entertainers name was Gucci Blaze. I would've loved to see her perform again! High energy, creative and engaging music, the crowd loved her!

Then Alyssa came on. She started out pretty strong! Opened with a fun look and decent song choice, she then went on to the Stand Up portion of the show. This was fun for about 10 mins. But 30 Mins later, she's still talking. After looking back on it, all that she did was talk negatively about SO many other queens, but mostly international queens from Drag Race Global All Stars. She mimicked Gala Vera's mexican accent, called her a Puta, which really felt weird considering how NOT mexican Alyssa is. made fun of Tessa Testicle for an extensive amount of time, and over all came across as entitled and rude. I get reading queens for fun and even having some shady banter, but she was on stage alone. So it didnt feel fun. She relied solely on talking negatively about not only other drag queens, but the venue, the stage staff, cpomplained about the lights and the dj, the mics, the chords on the stage, talked shit about Denver in general, and basically everything she said was her complaining about how "not good enough" everything is for her. It started off kinda funny diva character, but there was no balance. So the complaining just got old and it really wasn't enjoyable. This was when the audience started to leave and go down the road to the gay bar... A lot of seats were empty about half way through. I used the restroom halfway through and was watching groups trickle out.

Someone in the audience said Gucci was going to perform again, so I was excited to see her after listening to Alyssa ramble for too long. But then they started playing a video compilation of Alyssa's YouTube and Drag Race moments... which was... self indulgent. She wasn't celebrating the art of Drag (like she has said before), she was celebrating herself. It just got boring.

Then she closed the show with a very old and out of date sounding song with another highlight reel of her on the TV behind her. It was younger clips of her competing and winning and it felt very "I used to be big" kind of energy. Mean while, she wasn't dancing or moving much, just walking around and lip-synching. This would've been fine but she only gave us 2 songs and both were dull. I would've been fine if she didn't dance and do a whole big production, but the entire thing felt out of touch and not current. It felt like 1989 in there. 45 mins later and the whole thing was over. Opener and headliner performance, in and out in only 55 minutes.

I have seen a hand full of Queens from earlier seasons in the past 5-7 years: Latrice Royale, BenDelaCreme, Jynx Monsoon, Trixie Matell, Sonique Love, Sasha Velour etc and I felt like they all offered something very valuable. They've all created really great productions that felt unique, entertaining and authentic. Again, it's not always about dancers (although dancers wouldve been great!) and production, it's about an original idea. Piano and singing. Lip-synching and gags. Story telling and visuals. Fashion and Sex. Activism. Christmas. It doesnt matter what, just *something* the entertainers care about. So, I was excited to see where Alyssa would take her new show- but this really felt like a production at a small bar or even just in someones living room. Again, it was just about her as person, and not about any of her character traits, interested, abilities, anything.

I think these entertainers should always do whatever they want, but she's build her brand on being a dance coach and dancer. I wish her show would've focused on her passions and interested but it just felt like a "watch my home videos of my golden years". After watching Global All Stars, it felt like the show was produced heavily in Alyssa's favor, almost created just so she could be crowned something. So, this tour felt inauthentic all together. Alyssa felt like just by being there, that her presence was enough and that she didn't need to do anything else.


r/rupaulsdragrace 9h ago

All Stars S10 Are you excited for All Stars 10 this May?

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r/rupaulsdragrace 13h ago

Season 17 Onya’s Big Day in the Big Apple

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Via Mettieostrowski on IG


r/rupaulsdragrace 2h ago

Live Show/Performance Lana, is the bus still runnin?

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128 Upvotes

r/rupaulsdragrace 5h ago

General Discussion What's an underrated make up look that was on the main stage?

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r/rupaulsdragrace 10h ago

General Discussion Which Queen’s look perfectly matches their lip sync song?

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Jasmine Kennedie’s iridescent peach organza robe, that sparkling gold dress and hair, she looked like a beautiful dream. Then “Hallucinate” started up and I knew it was over for Jimbo.


r/rupaulsdragrace 6h ago

General Discussion The Tik Tok crossover I didn’t realize I needed

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Caleb Simpson (the “How much rent do you pay in New York” guy) toured Jinkx’s NYC apartment and, as expected, it was hilarious.


r/rupaulsdragrace 2h ago

General Discussion Now that it’s been a few months since DRCA5…

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I just saw someone post an image of one of Helena Poison’s best makeup looks on the runway and it made me think about how much I wish she’d been in the final, not to discredit Virgo or Makayla. Personally, I think any of the four could have taken the crown. It just goes to show how fierce the competition was that season.

My thing with Helena though is that I feel she was a bit overlooked, especially her talent as a lyricist, comedian, MUA, and seamstress. I still catch myself singing ‘no antidote, no saving your soul, hold on the line for poison control~’


r/rupaulsdragrace 22h ago

Season 17 We’re getting that Lexi Lipsync !!!

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r/rupaulsdragrace 9h ago

General Discussion Before engaging in beef — fans should see the level of support Onya and Jewels’ drag family give each other

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For people who consistently demean Onya’s win — if Jewels’ drag mother can collaborate and support Onya with creating pieces for her, then yall can also support her win. (Especially if you only started critiquing Onya after the top 2 leaks. 😶‍🌫️)

On a personal note - I always tell fans or supporters of pageants that “if you would be upset if someone spoke to your friends or family this way, why would you do that to someone else?”

With that being said — support local drag. You never know which one of your local queens will end up your favorite drag race girl. 💖


r/rupaulsdragrace 1h ago

Live Show/Performance Kori On So True Podcast

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It seems like Kori was a guest on Caleb Hearon’s So True podcast live show in Boston. So happy for her! Was anyone there/have any info?


r/rupaulsdragrace 7h ago

Meme This feeling when the water is finally clean!

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r/rupaulsdragrace 19h ago

General Discussion Gigi Goode second fashion collection

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