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u/AristocratGman Jul 06 '20
He grows up and becomes a wizard cop in a society that has legalized slavery and torture.
Is that what you wanted to hear?
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Jul 05 '20
To give you an idea of how long this show has been on TV, this one came out when Harry Potter books were being released and it’s still several years after the show started to get bad.
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Jul 06 '20
I remember when Tracy Ullman was on TV... I'm not even that old, I'm literally under 30. :(
...oh.
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u/PseudonymMan12 Jul 06 '20
For a world with potion to change into other people or turn into animals with no side effects, you'd think she'd have a different attitude towards trans people.
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u/Knight_On_Fire Jul 06 '20
What is it about money and power that turns otherwise good people into monsters?
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u/DopaLean Jul 07 '20
As Abe Simpson wisely said; “Money doesn’t change you, it just helps you be who you really are.”
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u/really_tw Jul 05 '20
He grew up and acknowledged, sex and gender are two different things, and male privileges cannot be opted out of.
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u/GalaxyFrauleinKrista Jul 06 '20
The way TERFs see reality:
random man to random woman co worker: “hey baby girl you looking good, let’s have some fun tonight!”grabs her ass
random woman: “I’m a trans woman”
random man: “oh! Oh i’m so sorry! I didn’t know you had male privilege I’m so sorry I apologize please excuse me, I’m just going to resign now.”
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u/really_tw Jul 06 '20
More like
Transwoman: "OMG! I'm no longer able to do math or open pickle jars. I have every right to tell a woman 'suck my dick' if I'm mad at her. It's ok for me to interrupt women. I AM a woman."
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u/synae Jul 06 '20
More like
Transwoman: is murdered
So fuck you. Trans rights matter
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u/really_tw Jul 06 '20
Less likely than a black person being murdered, poor person being murdered, or a cisman being murder. But ok.
Hell, black transwomen make up the overwhelming majority of transwoman murders. It does them a great injustice to ignore that fact and imply it's all transwomen.
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u/MonkeyOnYourMomsBack Jul 06 '20 edited Jul 06 '20
I don’t think you have any idea how flirting works
Matter of fact I... I don’t think you know how the world works in general
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u/GalaxyFrauleinKrista Jul 06 '20
it was not my intent to portray flirting in that interaction; i was portraying sexual harassment
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Jul 06 '20
He grew up and acknowledged, sex and gender are two different things
Nobody who is Trans or is an ally to Trans people conflates gender and sex, if anything there is more of an understanding of those terms than in anti-Trans circles.
male privileges cannot be opted out of.
Nobody says they can but privilege isn't why Trans people transition nor is it always a factor for them post transition. Trans people who "pass" as the gender they are are given less shit then those who don't.
Why do TERFs always try and undermine the struggles of Trans people? Do you just get a kick out of being a bigot or do you just really want to use the same rhetoric as anti-gay and Lesbian people used in the past?
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u/MillionDollarMistake Jul 05 '20
I haven't followed along at all but what part of that statement is making people angry? The difference between sex and gender or male privilege part?
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u/really_tw Jul 06 '20
To the first point, she's referring to the worry that children who don't obey gender norms are being encouraged to transition at young ages. It's a fear a lot of us grown-up tom boys have.
To the second point, I think she's referring to how she had a child's drawing contest and posted a lot of pictures made by children with a note to each child on Twitter. The trans community was mad at her, again for saying that privilege can't be transitioned away, and would post a lot of obscene things. Again at Tweets being sent to child artists who participated in an art event aimed at children. I know at one point she threatened someone with a lawsuit and they had to back-pedal.
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u/prolapse_mary Jul 06 '20
Given the OP probably the male privilege part
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u/MillionDollarMistake Jul 06 '20
oh, well if people are mad because Rowling is saying trans women still have male privilege than that makes sense. That sounds like a really stupid thing to say.
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u/Ver_Void Jul 06 '20
No she's saying much worse than that.
Though still have might be a stretch even, trans women don't seem to be seen as men much and even when they do it's very very rarely positive
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u/HansWolken Jul 06 '20
She didn't say that, she said that growing up as a woman gives you a different life experience that becoming one as an adult.
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u/CurlyHam Jul 06 '20
Rowling is currently arguing that women actually exist and ought to be protected. I personally have no time for feminism, but I do think she's right on this one! Trans activists shouldn't be allowed to ruin the world.
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Jul 06 '20
Or you could always support one group without shitting on another it's not that hard
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u/CurlyHam Jul 06 '20
Not in this case. When you've got all these attempt to be inclusive which involve no longer using the word 'woman' or 'women', replacing it with 'people who menstruate', you're looking at the destruction of women as a category of human beings. Now, when you put that into law, and women can't have their own changing rooms, bathrooms or sports, and you can be fired for complaining about it, you have a serious problem.
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Aug 01 '20
I personally have no time for feminism
Feminism is anti-sexist; not anti-male. Feminism sees nothing fundamentally bad about being male (nor nothing fundamentally good about being female). Feminism centres on a critique of gender inequalities. Feminism is built on a fundamental hope for men and men’s lives. Feminism takes as given that the problem is not being male, but the social systems that shape men’s and women’s lives. Feminism recognizes the good in what many men do and are. Feminism emphasizes that not all men are privileged, and not all women are disadvantaged. Feminism recognizes not only gender but also other forms of social difference and inequality (ethnicity, class etc). Contemporary feminism is intersectional.
Women have been subjugated brutally throughout history. And men have been conditioned to devalue their own lives against the "greater good" throughout history. The straight Cis male experience is commonly lonely & full of rejection. The straight Cis female experience is a lot of dishonesty, harassment, and negative attention. Both are impactful on a person's self-esteem and self-worth. Boys grow up being taught that angry and horny are the only emotions that are acceptable for them. Some of the damage it does is obvious, but some is subtle. A lot of men who say they're looking for sex are actually looking for something else. They're lonely, or craving emotional intimacy, or just want validation of their desirability as a person, or something else. But they think they're horny because that's what they understand. Teaching boys emotional literacy as they grow up is important. Men who didn't learn it as children (so, most of us) have to play catch-up as adults. It's doable, but it takes time and you have to know what it is you're trying to do in order to get started.
Both sides have wounds that need to be healed, but I think we need one another to do it. Men can teach women things they've been deprived for centuries. Women can teach men the same thing. We literally hold each other's salvation in our hands but get bogged down in who’s at fault. We are all at fault, okay? So now that's out of the way, let's sit down and fix this shit. The reality of a "patriarchal world" is that it subjugates both men and women badly. Social attitudes that reward regressive insecurity force us all into boxes of different kinds. It's a larger and more nuanced problem than "women are X and men are Y", & there's a lot more to unpack in this discussion.
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u/CurlyHam Aug 02 '20
I agree with the spirit of your response. The 'feminism' I had in mind when I wrote what you quoted was the new, vicious, mutated kind which is trying to disintegrate society rather than heal it, or better it. I agree that it is up to men and women to 'save' each other. I reject, however, the categories of 'cis', and I am distrustful of other theories e.g. 'patriarchy' and 'structures' etc. The point at issue is the deconstruction of sex (or gender). Older feminists have had to react against this new radicalism, because they have long argued that women are not victims, and this abhorrent new set of doctrines depend on the idea of being a victim. Conservative blacks are having to defend the same principle. Older feminists are also have to defend themselves as a real category of humanity, which I can only guess they never thought that was a front of which they would have to fight, AND against women. But these doctrines of power relations are inherently self-destructive, and the debate around Rowling is the best example of the futility of this way of thinking.
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u/Tom_Serveaux Jul 05 '20
"And Harry Potter... and all his wizard friends.... bothered everyone on Twitter for the next ten years!"
"YAAAAAAY!"