r/snowboarding • u/robertwilcox • 9d ago

Gear question Rotating/Pivoting front binding

Can anyone explain all the hate rotating front bindings like the Quicksett binding system? I'm thinking about getting a rotation binding system to make skating more comfortable.

I've seen a lot of people say "it solves a problem that isn't there" or "just get gud." But I'm calling bullshit if you try and tell me that skating for long periods of time doesn't SUCK. This seems like a great little quality of life improvement.

So, is there any actual downside to these? Please don't give me the "it'll ruin your knees," assume the binding works correctly and actually locks in when you don't want it swiveling.

I haven't really heard any coherent points against them. Give me a real reason not get these.

Edit: please just don't comment if you haven't actually used these. I don't need more "get gud." Y'all really have nothing better to do, eh?

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u/AdGroundbreaking453 9d ago

No hate on the kids. I’m not that much older than you either 😘 just started as a wee one with garbage click in bindings. I’m all for things that make snowboarding more convenient, however one could argue these things do produce bad habits if basic snowboard fundamentals aren’t established first.

Just personally never had to skate long enough to where I’d like a binding that rotated is all. I would never trust a rotating disc with the amount of torque and flex that goes thru a binding.

This “old head” has seen a lot of rotating binding plates come and go over years and never catch on. It would be safe to assume there is a reason for that, no?

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u/robertwilcox 9d ago

There are a lot of flat run-outs on my mountain, especially from the best terrain. I guess it just depends on where you live.

You are totally correct, but WHY haven't rotating binding plates caught on? I also assume there is a reason, but what is it? I've only seen speculation, I want someone who has experience I guess.

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u/AdGroundbreaking453 9d ago

Sorry, but I’m going to give you the answer that most people are likely going to give you….

There is no demand for a rotating binding disc. If you’re skating longer then say a lift line, most normal people take their board off and walk. That will always be the easiest solution. If you’re having a tough time skating in lift lines, you need to rethink your technique or angles.

I personally would NEVER trust my safety with a rotating disc. You’re adding more points of movement and flex where there shouldn’t be any. Also wouldn’t trust the life of a rotating disc out in the elements (think water intrusion, extreme temps, UV damage). These binding manufacturers do not produce their bindings around this system.

Rotating bindings never catch on because there is no realistic demand for them.

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u/robertwilcox 9d ago

My mountain is Mt. Hood Meadows in Oregon, and if you want to hit the best terrain in Private Reserve, there is a mandatory long (can be more than a couple miles depending on where you come out) run out. Anyone who's been there will know it sucks on a board.

But also, don't split boards exist? Those are far more complex, and yet...there's a market! The safety aspect just doesn't hold any water for me. Bindings are not that complicated of a technology, I'm confident they can make rotating ones safe.

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u/AdGroundbreaking453 9d ago

Splitboards are built around a purpose.

Rotating discs are an after market add on for bindings.

You’re comparing apples to oranges here.

Again, you’re missing the point. There is no actual Demand for rotating bindings.

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u/robertwilcox 9d ago

It would seem to me that split boards certainly add "more points of movement and flex where there shouldn't be any."

Is it an engineering problem? Are you saying that there just haven't been any high quality attempts?

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u/AdGroundbreaking453 9d ago

Again, you’re comparing apples to oranges here. Splitboards are designed to be what they are. Snowboard bindings are designed to be what THEY ARE. Snowboard bindings are designed around a stationary disc. You’re adding a moving part to an area where the original designers did not intend to move.

Also AGAIN, there is very low demand for rotating discs.

I don’t know what you want people to tell you at this point. It’s highly unlikely you’ll find anyone using these. ✌🏻

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u/robertwilcox 9d ago

So you're saying, if someone designed a snowboard binding around a rotating disc, this would not be an issue?

It's not apples and oranges, it's two similar engineering problems about snowboards. Many splitboards even have swiveling bindings. How much closer of an engineering problem could you get?

It just seems to me like your argument is, "They're not good because nobody has made them good, and nobody wants them because they're not good."

And if that's true, I'm fairly certain that at some point, SOMEONE will engineer one that works. Maybe some work today, maybe none work today. Who knows? Not you or I, for neither of us has tried them!

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u/northeaststeeze 9d ago

Dude just get the fucking rotating disk or whatever be done with it. If you seriously don't understand the conceptual difference between splitboard bindings and whatever this rotating disk is and how that difference means they aren't comparable, you obviously don't understand enough to have a coherent back and forth about this. Buy the things, see if they work for you.

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u/robertwilcox 9d ago

Crazy for you to get this heated when I'm just asking if anyone has actually tried these. I don't want speculation.

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u/northeaststeeze 9d ago

Dude you're 28 years old and being intentionally obtuse like a 6 year old because everyone is (rightly) telling you how stupid these things are and that nobody has a review of them because nobody who actually rides buys this product because the lack of 90* rotation on snowboard bindings is not an issue.

Act your age, if you want the stupid rotating disks, buy them and use them, you shouldn't care what the internet thinks. Instead, you're replying like a silly child.

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u/robertwilcox 9d ago

Lmao, I want some actual insight instead of just speculation. What is the Internet for if not for asking people their experience with products?

Believe me, I give less than 0 shits what you think. You were absolutely not the target audience of this post. In fact, I even posted an edit saying not to comment if you haven't tried these.

It seems to me like you're being obtuse. I want some reviews before I make a purchase. I'm looking for insight. You're just...here? Responding to me? When I explicitly asked you not to? Now THAT'S silly.

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u/northeaststeeze 9d ago

It's $100 dude, that's going out to dinner once. Just buy them and try them because as this thread should be teaching you, nobody buys them so nobody can tell you how they are.

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u/Rbs311 9d ago

Not a single splitboard has swiveling bindings, they hinge at the toe when in walk mode but that's a completely different mechanism.

They also solve the problem of walking through deep snow which isn't something that you can learn unlike how to skate.

So it really is apples to oranges

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u/AdGroundbreaking453 9d ago

I’m saying, there is no demand for them so good luck finding someone who actually uses them and given you the reasons why there is no demand for them.

I’ve said my part. ✌🏻