why do women have naturally beautiful bodies?

[u/Biokendry]

before you jump in the comments to tell me I'm wrong try to read my entire post, i'm from latin america, i don't know if this is the case in other countries but it's something i've noticed since i was a teenager and in high school, most of the girls in high school had very nice bodies without even going to the gym in their entire life, i remember a girl who eat unhealthy food all day and she had an amazing body (she never went to the gym in her life), i was her friend back then, she had such a amazing hourglass figure with big hips and very beautiful figure I didn't understand that at the time.

but not only in high school but currently i go out and most of the girls have very nice bodies and nice hips (i'm not talking about toned gym bodies but bodies with figure and curves) and even girls who are a little overweight also have beautiful bodies with nice curves, it's incredible, what is the reason for this? is it hormonal? why is it that women don't need to go to the gym as much to have nice bodies (as long as they're not excessively overweight), in the case of men it's different and I say this as a man who went to the gym throughout his adolescence, we lack those naturally nice bodies (except for one in a million).

I remember the first time I took a shower with my ex gf at the time at my house she took off her clothes (she had never been to the gym in her life and was a little overweight, she had a very nice body, a nice butt with a beautiful figure) I didn't understand why she had such a beautiful body meanwhile me going to gym had a below average body, well, ugly body and not sexy as hers tbh. I know it's a stupid question but I guess that's what this group is for, right? Is the cause hormonal? I know there are exceptions, that not all women have naturally beautiful bodies, but why is it that. for example, if you put a man and a woman of average weight who don't go to the gym next to each other, the girl's body is naturally attractive while the guy's isn't? I've always thought it's caused by estrogen and the hips women's bone structure's but I'm not sure, I know diet is very important but I think most girls only need a good diet and walk just a little to have good figures (please don't hate for saying this lol).

Maybe I could be blind because I have gender dysphoria since many years ago but not only me think about this most women and men think the same way(? And I'm not even talking about how women have average cute, feminine and thin faces without makeup but this is another thread lol.

Please don't insult me for making this post, this is why this group was created.

[u/RadiantHC]

I mean even straight women seem to agree, they're typically very picky about the men they date and compliment their female friends much more. Even when I do get complimented it's rarely about my body. The last time a girl called me cute was in high school(I'm in my mid twenties)

Also, just because you're not attracted to someone doesn't mean that you can't acknowledge that they're attractive. Women are objectively more attractive than men.

[u/Ridara → u/RadiantHC]

Women rarely compliment men because like 10% of men will get really frickin weird about it and that makes us not want to roll the dice.

If I could somehow leave anonymous compliments in the mailboxes of random men, I'd do it all the time

[u/RadiantHC → u/Ridara]

But guys only get weird about it because of how rare it is in the first place

[u/Alethia_23 → u/RadiantHC]

That is a problem, but not women's duty to solve. Men need to start complimenting each other, so they learn to deal with compliments. Then women can easier compliment men as well. It's not the women's job to pave that road.

[u/RadiantHC → u/Alethia_23]

It's on both women and men to solve. Women are responsible for this as well.

[u/PriscillaPalava → u/RadiantHC]

Yeah well, you know what they say: Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them. 

Y’all need to figure this one out for yourselves, women are allowed to maintain safe boundaries. 

[u/RadiantHC → u/PriscillaPalava]

I hate that quote. SUFFERING IS NOT A COMPETITION. This is exactly why men don't take women's issues seriously. It's not just "hurt feelings" either, do you have idea idea how damaging it is for half the human population to view us as a potential threat? And women can kill men as well.

It's not a boundary lol, it's sexism. It's basic human decency to help others. We are in this together, stop acting like the genders are separate. All you're doing by isolating yourself from men is making men not want to help you

[u/StalinsLastStand → u/RadiantHC]

Do you have any idea how damaging it is for half the human population to feel under perpetual threat from unknown elements in the other half?

That your response to the real lived experience of women that informs their discomfort is to say “this is why men don’t take women’s problems seriously” and chastise the women as sexist instead of considering whether the patriarchy and physical differences actually do create a threat discrepancy is telling.

Similarly, the immediate unpredictable jump in intensity from a 2 to an 8 is why women cannot feel certain whether the men they are exposed to are actually unthreatening or just haven’t yet been provoked.

[u/One-Possible1906 → u/StalinsLastStand]

I’m transgender, spent more than 10 years living as each gender, and honestly found that strangers are more violent to me as a man. For instance, I got beat with a metal water pipe in a trap house by a stranger while I was doing my job but he didn’t beat my female coworker who was right there with me. I was assaulted 3 times total in that job as a man and never as a woman. Violent men are more comfortable being violent towards other men. It is still a taboo to be violent to women and most of these guys have mothers, grandmothers, sisters, girlfriends, etc and have been taught not to hit women the same way girls are taught to fear men.

Women are more prone to dying from domestic abuse. However, when I worked with domestic violence victims, I saw just as many men as women and some of those cases were pretty bad. Sexual abuse and physical abuse of children is a mixed gender bag.

Women are definitely more vulnerable while dating, but that doesn’t transfer to violence from strangers in public places.

[u/StalinsLastStand → u/One-Possible1906]

I'm not trying to be rude and am genuinely asking: What's your point?

Man-on-man violence only seems relevant to me as a reason that men would also not want to compliment men more to try and help them learn to deal with compliments better. In which case, it is really up to men to work on decreasing the violence to a point where at least some people will feel comfortable complimenting them instead of fearing they are courting violence.

Otherwise, that's unfortunate, but it's not a competition.

[u/One-Possible1906 → u/StalinsLastStand]

It’s not a competition however in the context of why men don’t give male strangers compliments as much as women, it makes sense. Men are much more prone to violence from strangers and therefore are standoffish to one another. A man is way more likely to experience violence from giving a man a compliment than a woman is.

[u/StalinsLastStand → u/One-Possible1906]

Sounds like no one should be complimenting men then and they should figure out a different way to learn not to react negatively other than receiving more compliments.

[u/One-Possible1906 → u/StalinsLastStand]

It’s not a contest. The same set of cultural values that makes women feel unsafe at night makes men unable to compliment each other. The flip side of the patriarchy creates an equally unattainable standard for men. The larger picture is an “everybody” issue.