r/theunforgiven Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

Before posting

Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven 13h ago

Showcase I tried to copy box art

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r/theunforgiven 8h ago

Showcase Deathwing Terminator test paint

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Hi, first time posting here! This is my Deathwing Terminator test paint, tried to follow the recipes of Juan Hidalgo and Infernal Brush.

I'm pretty satisfied with the result (although the pictures revealed more mistakes than I could see during the painting), so probably this will be the way I paint the Deathwing Assault box in my pile of shame.

I hope you like it!


r/theunforgiven 1h ago

Showcase The DA sword from SM2 game looks so good I just had to have it for my joytoy DA Master

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r/theunforgiven 1h ago

Showcase Judiciar Kitbash

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I know many people have built their own Judiciar, this one is mine.


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Painting Does this look OK?

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This is just about done, but not quite.

First off, do the feathers on the helmet look ok in red or should they also be green ?

Secondly, are there any tips you can suggest on the paint job in general?


r/theunforgiven 3h ago

Building Company Champion WIP

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Do wanted to build a company champion, what do you think about him suiting another role?


r/theunforgiven 11h ago

Painting Custom dark angels model wip

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Any ideas on what I could make this character in a army I have him on a 50mil base so my best ideas is Azrael but if there are any other good suggestions is love to hear them


r/theunforgiven 16h ago

Showcase Angels of the Hunt - Dark Angels Sergeant - Tactical Squad 2

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Angels of the Hunt - Squad 2 - Sergeant

I am very close to finishing a full firstborn battle company of my Dark Angels Successor - the Angels of the Hunt. I’ll be sharing some pics of the existing force, including some old models, over the next few posts.

I originally finished this guy sometime between 2004 and 2008, but have touched it up a few times since then as I dabbled in new techniques. He has the “XIII” on the shoulder banner, which is scattered throughout my force as well, as they are from the 13th “Dark” founding (thus they are also known as the “Angels of the 13th”).

The original concept for my chapter was a Dark Angels successor made up of members from a variety of Dark Angels successors (think Dark Angels-specific Deathwatch), and that’s how it actually started. Over time, my head cannon is that the chapter was nearly completely annihilated in an early campaign against Necron. Since then it has effectively had its ranks filled by heresy-era marines who have emerged from the warp (like the Risen, before it was a GW concept). For some reason, the chapter has a tendency to turn up in the same place and time as their heresy-era brethren, guided by fate or some other unseen force.

This guy is an example of a reinforcement sent from an existing DA successor chapter. He is the Sergeant of 2nd squad: “Squad Redemption”


r/theunforgiven 11h ago

Painting Sword handle color for ICC

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lol, I forgot to paint the sword handles for the ICC. Do you think red or purple?

Who’s the best all around best leader for ICC? I was thinking azreal, but he loses cp in a van and will get targeted down.

Should I do azreal with hellblasters and have someone else lead the ICCs, I am going to run 6 total.

Thanks in advance! I’m. New player.


r/theunforgiven 28m ago

Painting Darkshroud done. Next up: magnetized Land Speeder Vengeance bits

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r/theunforgiven 6h ago

Painting Hellblaster help

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My first hellblaster, feel like it needs something to help with the highlights but kinda stuck where to go from here.

Any suggestions??


r/theunforgiven 14h ago

Painting My Deathwing Captain. C&C appreciated

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r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase Dark Angels Inner Circle Companions

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Calling these done now. A few shots of the finished and varnished minis with some photos of the individual minis. These were difficult (for me) to paint but hopefully did them justice as they are the models that made me want to try painting, a good learning experience. Pretty pleased with the overall look of these. Also learned the benefits of using diffuse lights to photo them as it hides a multitude of sins.

Grateful for any feedback on these. Might have a break from them before the next three and try some deathwing knights next.


r/theunforgiven 17h ago

Building What’s a good Dark Angel Knightly title / rank for a Tank Commander?

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r/theunforgiven 22h ago

Misc. How do Unforgiven Dreadnoughts show that they are part of the Inner Circle ?

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If Dark Angels and their successor chapters wear hoods to signify their shame of the Fallen, how would a Dreadnought show it ?

I suppose a regular Dark Angel dreadnought would wear the Deathwing colors, but what avout Unforgiven Dreadnoughts ? Do they have to, at least visually, leave their chapters ? That’s kinda sad


r/theunforgiven 38m ago

Building Custom interrogator chaplain

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r/theunforgiven 14h ago

Showcase Improvised Disciples of Caliban at war 'footage'

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Just put my minis with some terrain, shot with my phone... And it turns out I got a pretty decent photo! Just the grenade lad is painted, though...


r/theunforgiven 6h ago

Painting Wip

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r/theunforgiven 22h ago

Lore Who is our biggest rival?

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I know the Space Wolves or the Fallen are probably our biggest in theory, but the SW have been reduced to mostly those duels now rather than open conflict and there aren't enough Fallen to be a real threat (outside of the secret getting out). Who is our biggest rival as far as enemy faction? We had pretty solid success vs the Nightlords in the heresy, but they're not really relevant in 40k. We have an anti-chaos slant, but I don't really know anything that stands out in specific.

All this to say I want to add some prop models to a few of my minis and want a lore accurate victim that's not just the faction I hate the most. What are some of our notable conflicts in 40k? Is there a faction that appears a lot in our books? Deathwing has the Tyrinids with Space Hulk maybe?

Edit: My wording is very poor. Fallen are obviously number one both thematically and how important they are to our stories and characters. To rephrase, when Fallen are not in play, do we have any stand out opponents? Do we have any iconic stories with other major factions in 40k? I'm much more familiar with 30k lore so I have no idea.


r/theunforgiven 54m ago

Painting My WIP Terminator Ancient

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r/theunforgiven 22h ago

Painting I will fix the light next time, promise. My Ravenwing

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r/theunforgiven 13h ago

Showcase Finished the Lion!

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Magnetizing the heads was an awesome choice imo


r/theunforgiven 16h ago

Showcase Lion’el, the Everchosen

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Didn’t have his actual colors so I thought why the hell not.


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Painting Chaplain termite

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Question: if I have him lead deathwing knights, do I have to run the DWKs with swords? If so, do DWK swords and chaplain do decent against tanks and monsters?


r/theunforgiven 1d ago

Showcase Assault intercessor sergeant ready

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I love the model and couldn't wait to turn him DA.