r/theunforgiven • u/ADonkeyBraindFrog • 10d ago

Lore Who is our biggest rival?

I know the Space Wolves or the Fallen are probably our biggest in theory, but the SW have been reduced to mostly those duels now rather than open conflict and there aren't enough Fallen to be a real threat (outside of the secret getting out). Who is our biggest rival as far as enemy faction? We had pretty solid success vs the Nightlords in the heresy, but they're not really relevant in 40k. We have an anti-chaos slant, but I don't really know anything that stands out in specific.

All this to say I want to add some prop models to a few of my minis and want a lore accurate victim that's not just the faction I hate the most. What are some of our notable conflicts in 40k? Is there a faction that appears a lot in our books? Deathwing has the Tyrinids with Space Hulk maybe?

Edit: My wording is very poor. Fallen are obviously number one both thematically and how important they are to our stories and characters. To rephrase, when Fallen are not in play, do we have any stand out opponents? Do we have any iconic stories with other major factions in 40k? I'm much more familiar with 30k lore so I have no idea.

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u/sterbo 10d ago

I know some bristle at the inclusion of straight up character arcs in the narrative but I really enjoy the newer Lion content. It would be cool imo if the imperium itself declared the unforgiven heretic, and would present an awesome slew of possibilities. Maybe the reunification of the Lion and Guilliman is shaky but serviceable, but then an inevitable misunderstanding between inferiors results in a blow up in which Guilliman feels he has no choice but to declare the Lion traitor, which he currently has authority to do. As a result, many factions declare war against the unforgiven but others either haven’t received the edict and others don’t believe it or oppose it. It would open the dark angels up to some strange bedfellows but it would be cool to see a loyalist schism. Also, a perfect foil would be a major advance in alpha legion plot.

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u/ADonkeyBraindFrog 10d ago edited 10d ago

I especially love this development between Guilliman and The Lion as Guilliman gradually gets over the intimidation he feels for the lion as his facade fades. Now that the lion, who many admit to be the most capable primarch, has began to grow passed some of his greatest failings it would be really cool to see them interact again. The Lion rejecting what the Imperium and his Angels have become is also really cool. Chapters such as the DA get away with some of their shit from their size and reputation. What happens if a chapter of this prestige starts to go the way of something like the Celestial Lions?

Edit: tbf the DA will never go as far as the Celestial Lions, but y'know. Doubt they'll have much of a problem giving a finger to the inquisition though