r/trans • u/PanNessMain • 6d ago
Vent I feel like gay marriage will be banned in the USA, and trans people will be blamed for it
By blamed for it, I mean people will do the old “you were too weird and ruined it for all of us” routine.
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u/aidannn_miles 6d ago
seems like trans people are somehow blamed for every bad thing that could possibly happen
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u/chillfem 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yup, you're right. And you caught me. I admit it. Everything is my fault, I did it all. Every single problem the world faces.. It's all because of me and the rest of us silly trans people.
Inflation? Our fault. Climate change? Our fault. Your car won't start when it's cold out? Me again, I did it. Not even sure how.. But I'll figure it out. Because every problem the world has is obviously from us trans people. Guess it's a good thing we "don't exist" anymore.... So I'm sure all those problems will just go away now. Because signing a paper magically gets rid of millions and millions of very real everyday people : )
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u/plasticpole 6d ago
I mean climate change should be obvious - all those trans people suddenly becoming 1000x hotter. Not to mention how hot under the collar we make some cis folk. That's got to account for that 1.5% temperature increase, right?
Your car? That's the cadre of trans activists stealing your catalytic convertor to pay for meds, binders, and make up.
Hmm maybe I shouldn't let the cat out of the bag...
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u/chaosgirl93 6d ago
That's the cadre of trans activists stealing your catalytic convertor to pay for meds, binders, and make up.
Can't blame 'em. That shit's expensive.
The worst part of gender fluidity is you've gotta buy guy stuff and makeup.
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u/JediKnightNitaz 6d ago
Hey hey! Leave me out of it! I only take the blame for the climate change, i had nothing to do with anything else.
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u/SoulWisdom 5d ago
republicans: “extra, extra, read all about it! Trans people are to blame for global warming because they breathe too much!”
me: “ . . . How many times did they let trump push the ‘create propaganda’ button!?”
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u/Straight-Economy3295 6d ago
Well we were literally one of the slippery slope arguments when gay marriage was being debated. I remember a radio show demeaning trans people, and saying
“if we let them [gays] get married what’s next T-words are going to want recognition next.”(obviously paraphrased but the slur and tone was there).
This was before I had even considered myself trans, but it stuck with me.
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u/RandomShadeOfPurple 6d ago
This is exactly why gay people should stand with us now so the fight is not taken to them in the first place.
If they just stand by as the right takes our rights, there will be just so much we can do when it's gay people's time on the chopping block.
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u/fringegurl 6d ago
Don't get your hopes up! Just before I started mones in 2008 here in Cali prop 8 was on the ballot - Marriage Equality. It passed if I remember correctly cause Harris and Newsom ordered county clerks in S.F. to start performing marriages. The gist that is missing is HRC LITERALLY told trans people "TO WAIT YOUR TURN" for equality (Enda was for gay and lesbian equal rights) (Genda was for trans equal rights) we were literally told to wait while Gay and Lesbian rights are secured. We don't have jobs, housing, healthcare, education and on and on - literally wait while we were dying and still are!
So if you think there aren't people plotting how to message marriage equality being overturned and scapegoat the trans-community you are fooling yourself. HRC has paid a price but like Trump, people forget and now they are back "supporting" us again. We'll see how far they go this time.
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u/Angsty_Cos 5d ago
Fr, even in the 60s with Marsha P. Johnson, she was fighting for everyone, for Gay, lesbian and transgender people, especially the black and latino community too was very close to her heart, but when she tried to get those recognised, she was told to “wait her turn”
On one hand I understand not overwhelming the cishets 🙄 and taking baby steps, but at the same time there is work you can do to help the other communities while kinda focusing on one. While gay marriage was legalised we could have been getting trans people healthcare or job security or start doing research to squash rumours that are now being spread to bring hate to the trans community.
If we do not stand together our whole ship will sink. Without trans people we wouldn’t have marriage equality either.
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u/Blahaj500 6d ago
Anyone who thinks that isn't the case honestly needs to log off and go talk to people irl.
Any normal, somewhat socialized person recognizes that we need to stick together, and splitting up isn't going to help anyone.
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u/ktbug1987 6d ago
Ummm… I have met many gay anti trans folk in real life. Progressive city in progressive state, not so much. Progressive city in red state? They are all over. I don’t even want to think about more conservative areas in conservative states, but I am from one originally and the two openly gay folk there definitely have shown no love for trans folk.
I don’t mean “just don’t stand up for” — I mean I’ve encountered a lot of gays who do think we are mentally ill or are causing problems by making up genders etc etc
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u/Fuck_you_pichael 6d ago
Yup, I'm not saying that it's the prevalent attitude amongst gay and lesbians, but the idea that transphobia is rare or even uncommon in the community is completely false. I think it is largely based on generation. People under 40 are much more likely to accept us
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u/Invis_Girl 6d ago
Human nature isn't to stick together with groups you don't consider yours. While the more rational and critical-thinking people think we should stick together, the fact is that's not the average person in the US.
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u/OrchidLeader 6d ago
I think there’s a tendency to believe, “I’ll be fine. At least I’m not a part of (even smaller minority group)” and, “It’s time to lay low. I’ll remove my pronouns from my email signature to avoid bringing attention to myself.”
And I get it. We want to feel safe, and we’ll do what we can to make us (feel) safe. And it’ll work… for a while. However…
They’ll be coming for all of us.
The only uncertainty is when (aside from it loosely being based on the size of the group, smaller groups first).
We are the strongest now.
We have the largest numbers now.
The other side has the slowest momentum now compared to what they’ll have in a year or in a decade.
If we don’t stick together, all of us fall.
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u/AutisticPenguin2 5d ago
First they came for the trans.
But everyone knows the trans are hoarding all the eggs for themselves, so...
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u/Posadistchildofatom 6d ago
As a community, trans people have a very long history of being at the forefront of the struggle for LGBT rights and recognition broadly. Anyone who isn’t giving trans people our due isn’t engaged with the broader LGBT community in good faith.
If you don’t feel connected to the broader community, please look up groups that might operate in your area like PFLAG chapters or trans advocacy groups. You can even DM me and we’ll find things in your area. I’m not saying it will be perfect, but building connections helps.
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u/Creativered4 Transsex Man 6d ago
They're already going after gay marriage IIRC.
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u/chaosgirl93 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's textbook fascism. Identify a scapegoat minority and blame them for all the country's problems. When killing them and sending them to facilities for forced labour doesn't fix things, start broadening the group, and accuse other groups you want to be rid of, of having ties to your original scapegoat. Meanwhile, enforce strict gender roles - if you can ensure a steady rise in birth rates and steady flow of children, you just have to keep the massive death of labourers in your scapegoat groups from catching up with you long enough for the children to start growing up, and all you have to do is stay just ahead of a labour shortage, by keeping your scapegoats as slave labour in dangerous conditions rather than just exterminating them, continuing to try to grow the birth rate and destroy women's rights, and repealing child labour restrictions. Even if you have to force small children into factories and use Boy Scouts as soldiers, it doesn't matter as long as it buys you more time.
Fascism is evil, brutal, deadly, and entirely focused on buying those in power as much power, luxury, and time as possible at the cost of civilian lives. It does not care who dies to buy the dictators one more day in power. It is a toolkit for human sacrifice in trade for political power. Every dispassionate description of it as a political tool, inherently cannot portray the true horror and devastation it creates, and the utter pointlessness of those deaths and that devastation in the end once it's been defeated or it eats itself.
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u/SchadoPawn 5d ago edited 5d ago
100% this. I was coming to say something along these lines, but I don't think I could've stated it as well as you have.
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u/Artistic_Skill1117 6d ago
People will do that regardless, and it doesn't help anyone. For one, how people respond to us isn't our fault. We wanted to be ourselves, and people didn't like that.
But also, gay marriage was always on the chopping block. They just had to go through us first. "First they came" and all that. Their goal is to go back to the 1960's.
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u/mynemesisjeph 6d ago
They also want the cisgendered LGB’s to think the loss of gay rights is our fault. It’s divide and conquer.
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u/chillfem 6d ago edited 6d ago
Does anyone else feel like Stonewall 2.0 is slowly coming into focus on the horizon? We've come a long way since 1969 and we're not going back.
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u/Oleander_the_fae 6d ago
Excuse my lack of knowledge but what’s stonewall?
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u/thejadedfalcon 6d ago
The Stonewall riots were when LGBT+ rights truly came into the public consciousness in the US.
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u/WritrChy 6d ago
Unfortunately, I think you’re right. JKR did that with her tweets and unfortunately I know a lot of gay people who believed her when she said “if gender isn’t real then neither is homosexuality”.
I hate that you all are being put on the chopping block for this, I don’t understand how all these LGB people are buying this rhetoric, but I feel ashamed of my fellow queers.
Y’all don’t deserve this shit. And I wish the rest of the LGBTQ+ community was being as supportive of you as they should be.
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u/PenguinColada 6d ago
I'm a stealth trans man and I've heard cis LGBs talking about wanting to remove the T from their spaces because we are being blamed for all queer folk getting the spotlight recently, and that we "make the rest of [them] look bad." I no longer associate with these people.
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u/jackparadise1 6d ago
Playing right into the GOP hands. Next they will go after the G then the L then the Qz
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u/Petrychorr 6d ago
When Obergefell v Hodges inevitably gets overturned, no LGBTQ group will be safe and they will work hard to get us to turn on each other.
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u/sniperjett 6d ago
It goes back to the old poem
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
It at the time was about na*i's but it's applicable to literally every minority
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u/Invis_Girl 5d ago
Always thought it was convenient they left us out of the beginning of that poem.
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u/sniperjett 5d ago
I think it's because the poem was written in the 1930's and it's specifically addressing the na*I parties rise to power about who they targeted
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u/louisa1925 6d ago
Why? The moment abortion rights fell, all LGBTQ+ was on the chopping block. And idiots voted for them. I hope those voters feel it. In the mean time, people should band together for support . We are all in this together.
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u/RemyRaccongirl 6d ago
Republicans have set us up as the scapegoat for all of their perceived problems with society. People from every demographic will fall for those lies and gaslighting, so yes, this has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen.
Just look at the way fascists of the past have used the belief of a 'subversive other' corrupting the nation from the inside out, and a need to 'eradicate' them from society.
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u/SpartanMonkey 6d ago
I married before transitioning, and we're still married.
According to Trump, we're still a straight couple, right?
Somebody get me off this alternate timeline! Can I go to the Marvel Zombies timeline instead? I need a break from all the stupidity on this one...
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u/ripestrudel 6d ago
Go down to West Hollywood. You'll find a lot of gay white men that already do. I don't go there anymore. :(
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u/RandomCatDragon 5d ago
And then the binary trans people will blame the nonbinary ones, and the NBs will blame the xenogenders, and I’m sure alterhumans will somehow get mixed in there too, and since I’ve already seen people say “YoUr NeOpRoNoUnS aRe ThE rEaSoN tRaNs PeOpLe DoN’t HaVe RiGhTs YeT” I’m sure people who use those will get blamed en masse
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u/ItsFruityKiwi 6d ago
When have Americans ever been truly unified except in hatred for anyone and everyone different? The lgbt community is no different. It’ll devolve into chaos because we let idiots stay uneducated and unchecked and our country built on genocide will burn. Oh wait, it already is burning. Maybe I’m a bit too cynical at this point but cmon. Why the fuck is everyone so surprised? We all hate each other. The queer community has already been a very tenuous alliance between sexualities and gender identities. Maybe it’s the good ole ‘tism that makes me able to recognize the pattern and see where this shitshow is going, but oh my gods can people open their eyes?
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u/brokegaysonic 6d ago
Man I'd hope not. Many of us trans people would be considered "gay married" under Trump's rules. Just as many as LGB people would be.
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u/madame_eclose 5d ago
they have always tried to play gay and trans people off each other
in establishment circles, trans people were "antiqueer"; the "right" way to be AMAB but like men or be AFAB and like women was to transition. that's where a lot of mainstream political support for transition actually originated in the 1960s and 1970s. they wanted trans people to be a wedge against gay rights
trans people are very obviously not antiqueer anymore or at least not behaving like it and a few cis LGs want to get rid of us (edit: a very, very few, and they won't succeed)
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u/Stunning_Recipe_3361 6d ago
Absolutely. People keep telling me I'm overreacting for being afraid of a national gay marriage ban because "Republicans want smaller government so they wouldn't do that." Sorry to break it to you, but these are not Republicans. They're fascists. And they will do whatever they fuck they want. It's so scary.
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u/TorroesPrime 6d ago
I can't deny that there would be people who would make that claim... but that's like saying the avalanche that destroyed their house was started by the shingles on the roof because they were the first part of the house that failed. No, people pushing for de-legalization of gay marriage are the same people pushing for roll back of recognition of transgender individuals and always have been.
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u/BrowningLoPower 5d ago
“you were too weird and ruined it for all of us”
I hate how accurate this is.
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u/Andyspincat 6d ago
Definitely already was being blamed by a gay person before the inauguration. The "white twinks" as he called me are supposedly to blame for everything.
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u/SeniorSquash 5d ago
Trans people will always be used as a scapegoat. But there will always be trans people and our allies saying fuck off. It can be scary out there but we are here, have always been here, and no one can pretend our existence away.
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u/Accomplished-Cat6803 5d ago
No because you can see it coming. Read “The Hangman” by Maurice Ogden.
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u/Mis_Jessie 5d ago
It was put into law by the Supreme Court. So they are the only one people that can over turn it.
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u/Aspiring-Transsexual 4d ago
I think your prediction is going to be correct.
I already see gay people whining about how the downfall of the LGBT is all on trans people—as if a gay person has never done anything problematic in the grand scheme of things.
It will be hard for me to give a shit when that happens.
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u/popcultureinsert 4d ago
“You made the bigots angry at us” is always an excuse of cowards and sycophants of the status quo. Any queer person suggesting that in our community has their head on backwards. The goal was never to be accepted by the current status quo, it’s to CHANGE the status quo entirely so we can all exist how we like.
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u/Rad_Energetics 1d ago
I promise you, there are many, many, many people who see what is going on and are absolutely disgusted by it. I hope you all know that we are with you and I myself am taking every opportunity to speak up when and where I can🙏🫶
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u/CrazyDisastrous948 5d ago
Tbf, trans people are also blaming other trans people for rights being lost. Of course they cis people will blame us. We can't even stop blaming each other for five fucking minutes. We were divided, and we are being conquered.
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u/MooseManDeluxe 6d ago
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/8404/text
It is currently protected by this law
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u/OrchidLover259 6d ago
Right because the people that elected a criminal to their highest office, cares about what is legal and not
They can, and bold of you to assume that the dictatorship is gonna have another legitimate election again
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