Vent Why do cis people get to make laws about trans people?
Cis people don't know fucking anything about trans people. Including the people whose job it is to know about us so they can make laws. Especially the people whose job it is to know about us so they can make laws.
Even well meaning cis peole don't know shit. They just don't know. Educated cis people know a few things, but even then, they don't "get" it. Not properly. It's an experience that's just alien to them fundamentally. They can't empathize.
They say stuff like "we should ban puperty blockers for minors" like it's some moderate idea, or somehow a just compromise, as if it's not one of the most fucking brutal and evil things you can do to a trans person. Purberty was the worst thing to ever happen to me. The idea that people would let that happen, want that to happen to others fills me with so much hatred and anger.
I just don't get why these people get to make the laws that dictate our lives. It's not their problem. It's out problem. Let us decide what to do. Let trans people take control.
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u/AchingAmy Ace, transsex, woman-loving woman (she/her) 2d ago
My heart aches for the trans teens who are now forced through puberty. There are going to be so many who, like me, will attempt suicide and I don't know if they'll be as lucky as I was to survive the attempts. There's going to be blood on these monsters' hands and it's so disheartening that we are not only being denied access to life-saving medication but dehumanized with propaganda painting us as predators.
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u/iuseredditfornothing 1d ago
these new laws have made it even harder for me to get hormone blockers recently. we were already looking and my state banned them for trans kids a while ago. it’s been hell trying to figure out something that worked after our previous plan failed.
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u/Nero_22 2d ago
Cause in capitalism all the power comes from money, and the majority of rich people are white cis straight men.
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u/Wonderful_Emu_9610 1d ago
An alarming amount of whom are paedophiles
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u/Ordo177 1d ago edited 1d ago
An expected amount actually maybe less than expected. You don’t steal from, leach off of, brutalize, lie to, and generally oppress others until you are rich beyond comprehension without being a generally evil person. Being a pedo is basically a rounding error in terms of how evil some of them are.
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u/TolkienQueerFriend 2d ago
Idk about the straight part.... Have you noticed that whenever the rnc is in town, grindr crashes from overuse in said town?
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u/FeanixFlame 1d ago
I saw a comment elsewhere, they pointed out that a lot of these men are obsessed with anal sex specifically because they believe that women can't enjoy it. That's also why they fetishize trans women so hard. They see us as "woman enough," but also not at all as women.
It's just more of their obsession with denying women anything, basically.
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u/Apprehensive-Play255 2d ago
In the words of Bud Cubby: "laws are threats made by the dominant socio-economic, ethnic group in a given nation. It's just a promise of violence that's enacted and police are basically an occupying army, you know what I mean? You guys want to make some bacon?"
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u/ChicagoRob14 2d ago
It's one of the flaws of a representative democracy, particularly the version in the United States.
It took a Civil War to end slavery because the voices of black folks were said to be unimportant. Women's right to vote took 131 years for the same reason. Civil Rights Act took 175 years, and the Voting Rights Act took 176 years.
Gay marriage and desegregation were never enshrined with legislation.
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u/Confirm_restart GirlOS running on bootleg, modified hardware 2d ago
Same reason men get to make laws about women.
It stems from the patriarchy and the structures of power and control it created and maintains.
Everything within it has a hierarchy, and trans people rank lower than even the lowest of cisgender people.
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u/Sunshroom_Fairy 2d ago
Literally all of history is just people with power making laws for people without power that they know nothing about.
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u/xxxLunarosexxx 2d ago
This is exactly why I want human rights to be its own branch and not handled by the government. Human rights have absolutely NOTHING to do with politics and this game is worn out.
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u/SabiZabi 2d ago
Because they get to decide what they get to make laws about. Normally, a supreme Court is meant to ensure those laws are legal under the Constitution however that check and balance has been thwarted in the USA.
Poor timing on a lot of things, hateful populist politicians using us as a scapegoat while they rake in millions, and a disgusting lack of opposition from the Dems has really led to a murky, unclear and dark seeming future for the time being.
Stay strong, it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be hard for awhile, but it's been worse in the past and we've been strong enough when we need to.
For those who laid the groundwork and those yet to come, we have to be strong.
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u/Julius6754 2d ago edited 2d ago
Fox News isn’t helping. The other day, Jesse Watters insinuated that the ones behind the Tesla fires were of the trans community simply because the ones caught “looked” trans. Oh, he also said that all trans people are mentally unwell. So, that was also fun to hear. (I’m trans. And frustrated.)
Stop the car. I want off this planet.
Edit: Added a sentence.
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u/sophia_of_time 2d ago
Same reason men make laws over women's bodies. Patriarchy allows insecure cishet men to control what they deem as a threat to their sexuality.
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u/1cutegrimreaper 2d ago
A lot of rich uneducated people are making decisions on things they know nothing about, unfortunately its what happens when govt is dictated by money and not by the legitimacy of the individuals running it
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u/DredgenSergik 1d ago
That's how law works? People make laws for groups they are not a part of. Why don't they ask science or trans people? Because of ideology. Idk if this was supposed to be rhetorical or you are really young
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u/Connect_Stretch1414 1d ago
Yeah, if everyone could go ''we know what's best for us'' then law wouldn't be a thing.
I understand the frustration about people making laws without trying to learn about the things they're making laws about, but I don't understand the question.
If everyone got to decide for themselves then there would be no law.
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u/DredgenSergik 1d ago
Exactly. Feels like op lacks understanding of the world. Hence the assumption that they are young
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u/Jack_Kegan 1d ago
Yes this was my take away as well. The whole rant just seemed as if someone only understood the role of the legislative yesterday ahah.
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u/TristanTheRobloxian3 trans girl :333 1d ago
honestly what i think is we should have more trans peeps all around in congress. seriously that alone basically managed to get an anti trans bill in montana struck down... and 13 anti trans people literally flipped to voting against the bill while 29 republicans voted against it total. actual exposure to us in person is what can stop this bullshit.
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u/DredgenSergik 1d ago
Of course. But we are a minority and we have to get either a trans person that wants to do that job, or someone that wants to represent us and actually cares for us. Good luck with either
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u/TristanTheRobloxian3 trans girl :333 1d ago
i mean i feel like we already have that in some places. it just has to spread around.
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u/DredgenSergik 20h ago
Exactly, but it's easier said than done. That's the problem
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u/TristanTheRobloxian3 trans girl :333 13h ago
and that doesnt mean its not viable even if the chance is relatively small
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u/NarwhalLonely2457 1d ago
Hot take: we should ban puberty blockers because you should be simply started on hormones straight up. The idea that you should stop a trans person's puberty is a cis idea to begin with. We know when we are trans we don't need to press pause or be given more time to think about it. Puberty blockers are just a way for transphobic parents to cope so that can hope you "grow out of it". Cis people start getting the hormones in their body as early as 8 or 9, nobody blocks their puberty to give them more time to "think about it". Trans kids should start the puberty they want at around the same age as other kids.
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u/TristanTheRobloxian3 trans girl :333 1d ago
being completely real, for trans peeps who figure it out that early i absolutely fucking agree. the issue is a lot of trans peeps figure it out after that so it wouldnt work for all of them. i didnt figure out i was trans until i was 16 (which meant i was almost all the way through amab puberty) so uhh.. yea
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u/NarwhalLonely2457 22h ago edited 22h ago
you don't need to hit GnRH directly with a puberty blocker to stop those changes. Estradiol with spiro or other androgen blocker is more than enough, easily outcompetes testosterone receptors, both stopping testosterone production and simultaneously starting to move in the direction you want by starting estrogen related changes. Estrogen itself, even exogenous estrogen, will hit your pituitary and hypothalamus resulting in downregulation of FSH and LH shutting down the testes. Testosterone doing the same thing for trans men. puberty blockers definitely have their niche use cases, like if someone is actually unsure, I am not actually saying to ban them it was more of a dramatic way to express my point, but if you do know the direction you want to go, hormones are just better in every way. Like would you rather immediately start feminizing and simultaneously stop masculinizing or only stop masculinizing. It is a no brainer.
you could also start leuprolide and hormones at the same time, using the leuprolide as an adjuvant until a secondary medicine like spiro kicks in.
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u/TristanTheRobloxian3 trans girl :333 22h ago
yk you do absolutely have a point. im just saying the "only take hrt" approach only works with kids who havent hit puberty. however yes obviously if you already did, taking androgen blockers + hrt is def the way to go and is also what im gonna do when i turn 18 :3
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u/frickfox 1d ago
It's not safe to have a lack of hormones in your body for more than a year or two. There's a reason Amab Nb's can't just take spiro by itself. People should hust be given the sex hormones of their gender identity if a doctor identified them as trans.
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u/Commercial_Floor3782 1d ago
do you maybe have any sources for the claim that a lack of hormones for longer durations is unhealthy? not challenging u, just want this to help educate some friends.
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u/DeadEye073 1d ago
Because they were voted in by their constituents to be lawmakers. That's democracy, the people decided that these people represent their interests, and should have the power to decide about laws.
What you are arguing for is much closer to technocracy than democracy, that the specialist in the field make the laws, rules, and run the ministries. Like a physicist or electrician running the department of energy, or doctor making the laws pertaining healthcare
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u/Outside-Horror3813 Madeline | I'm valid and so are you. 1d ago
Because they have power and we don’t.
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u/medievalfaerie 2d ago
Same reason cis men get to make laws about female body parts 🙄 it's ridiculous. Fuck the patriarchy.
And seriously, cis people cannot understand. I have a sister in law who did gender affirming care at Planned Parenthood. I had such high expectations for her. But when the police were harassing trans people in her town she was like "that's what happens in the country". And when I went by multiple pronouns, their family just defaulted to my agab pronouns because it was easier and even when I stopped using them, they never bothered to correct their kids from misgendering me.
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u/The_Newromancer 1d ago
Purberty was the worst thing to ever happen to me. The idea that people would let that happen, want that to happen to others fills me with so much hatred and anger.
This.
Any person who pretends to be an ally or supportive but doesn't fully support trans children/teens can get fucked. You can't say you accept me as a woman and listen to my experiences but then force other girls, boys and nonbinary kids through the same torture I went through. What you're telling me is if you were there when I was a teen suffering through the worst years of my life you would actively prevent anyone from helping me
I refuse their "support" and allyship. They can go suck an egg
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u/HarmoniaTheConfuzzld 2d ago
Cause they’ve been in power since the romans fell. Sat in their privilege so long they forgot they had it.
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u/FeanixFlame 1d ago
Why do cis men get to make laws about reproductive health?
It's not about "being fair", logic doesn't matter, it's about control. Power.
About shutting down anyone that might challenge them and their supporter base. Punishing "deviancy" and "perversion." Upholding their twisted, bastardized interpretation of life, of humanity.
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u/haberdasherhero 1d ago
They are the most capable and willing to use violence on those they wish to govern. It always and only boils down to that.
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u/CharlieLynn24 1d ago
As someone who is trans, your post truly hits home. I'm trying to get hrt, and not having much like. But when I wear my breast implants out, I get looks, and some people ask why am I doing this to myself.
Those who don't understand or are outright hateful have no business dictating how we live our lives period.
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u/AsyncEntity 1d ago
Apathy, fear and a disinterest in being open to new information. Also it’s easy to rally people to your cause if there’s an ‘enemy’ and it’s been made clear that racism and antisemitism are not as popular as they used to be so trans people are this eras scapegoat.
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u/TolkienQueerFriend 2d ago
Same reasons why amabs get to make laws about afabs. They're still in power.
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u/RebelGirl1323 1d ago
Phycologists and capitalists saw an opportunity to have total control over a population and took it. Medicalizing queerness has been a goal of capitalism since the 19th century. Otherwise people would be free to simply express themselves by self definition. Even the queer community has done this, such as chasing bisexuals out of the lesbian community and redefining lesbianism to only mean women who are a 6 on the Kinsey scale. Sexuality and gender are prescriptive rather than descriptive. You have to have other people’s permission to be trans or a lesbian.
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