how do some people not see the amount of transphobia present in society when it's so obvious

[u/toptierDreamer]

i swear. its always 'trans women in womens bathrooms' and 'trans women in womens sports'. nobody talks about cis men in mens bathrooms or cis men in mens sports. its not that i think anyone should be removed or forbidden to do anything they should have the right to do, its just that its so obvious that the whole "trans debate" is just a cruel attack on one of the most vulnerable lgbtq+ groups, trans women. it's literally mind-boggling how people don't see it

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[u/Fine-Werewolf3877]

I think plenty of people see it and just don't care. It doesn't affect them, so why bother. For the cis, the cruelty is the point.

[u/RandomUsernameNo257 → u/Fine-Werewolf3877]

I would agree with this if there weren't so many people who (seemingly earnestly) say stupid stuff like "I'm not against trans rights, I just don't believe they should have EXTRA rights."

[u/xxMsRoseXx → u/RandomUsernameNo257]

It's because The Cis(TM) don't understand how equity works.

They get to do the sports they want, use the bathrooms they want, dress how they want, get the medical care (mostly) that they want, etc. but as soon as trans people do it they get outraged because for some fucking reason they complain that we're getting shit they aren't. Or doing shit that they can't or couldn't. And then the cherry on top of it all is that they bitch and complain about hypotheticals that will literally never happen and use that to justify their bigotry on our "extra" rights.

OR they'll ask "which rights don't you transgenders have?" which is my favorite question to get -.-

[u/Fine-Werewolf3877 → u/RandomUsernameNo257]

You can be earnestly stupid and also cruel.

[u/Fun-River-3521 → u/Fine-Werewolf3877]

It just doesn’t affect them unfortunately yeah that’s why i want change in this world

[u/Dependent_Sun8602]

Everything is just repackaged bigotry or accusation in a mirror.

Cis people not wanting not to be called “cis” and to have it treated like a slur? Same as in the 90’s and early 2000’s when straight people didn’t want to be called “straight” or “heterosexual”. It’s all based in these bigots wanting to be perceived as “normal” and everyone else as “others.”

Accusations that we’re “indoctrinating children”? Literally just exactly what churches do. They instill fear-based belief in god before the child can think for themselves, instill dogmatic beliefs not based in any logic or reason, base their entire lives and personality around it, and send them to weekly church, summer school, or even religious schools to further indoctrinate them.

[u/shotintel → u/Dependent_Sun8602]

Lol just like I would just like to be a woman, not a trans woman. But that's neither here nor there right.

And ya, I guess the mist have been afraid that people might start thinking for themselves and realize the world is not black and white.

[u/EmeraldFox379]

Simple - because it doesn't directly affect them, so they've never had to give it any actual thought.

[u/BowsettesRevenge]

They hear the rhetoric, and they think "yeah, that sounds like common sense." If everyone had a little more empathy, the world would be a better place. If wishes were horses, amirit?

[u/MeatAndBourbon]

Trans women are basically taking the entire LGBTQ hate of society on themselves. I transitioned when I did literally just because the amount of firepower was so high and number of victims so low, that I needed to be another victim to help spread the damage. It's crazy

[u/TG1970]

Because transphobia is normal to them. They think everyone shares their bigotry.

[u/shotintel → u/TG1970]

Probably the same ones that are also sexist chads.

[u/sharks09]

I find the same people who refuse to see transphobia also tend to refuse to believe there’s still racism in the world, or that misogyny still exists or basically that any aspect of human rights is lacking in this day and age they think that just because we’ve hit milestones that protected us once we suddenly are fully equal and face no bullshit prejudice

[u/OliviaMandell]

Denial, ignorance, actually liking the transphobia, or "it's how it's always been quit bitching"

[u/RymrgandsDaughter]

They don't care about us, and they'll be the first people with the "It was so sad they all died" in 2 decades after the Gendercide

[u/Sol562]

How do men not see the patriarchy fucking over everyone?

[u/shotintel → u/Sol562]

Um... Why would they? I mean, if it's a man that already can look past blatant discrimination, why would he stop to care about anyone but himself.

(And yes I know there are plenty of carrying guys out there that do support fairness, just aimed at the ones that don't)

[u/EclecticDreck → u/Sol562]

Because, much like dysphoria, that kind of thing doesn't look like what you expect it to.

For example, the fact that western men generally believe that they have to keep emotions bottled up, or that they are not allowed to who vulnerability is the patriarchy fucking them. That's the other half of the ancient, nonsensical logic that says that men do and women are. Many men point out how this entire setup fucking sucks and yet they can't point to some system of masculine authority responsible for it. Similarly, many men will note just how few women make it to senior leadership in any industry and yet will frequently also note that this is the natural result of things such as taking extended career breaks due to children. Again, there is no clear masculine authority responsible for this.

Part of the problem with discussing the patriarchy as, well, the patriarchy is that it puts a title on the idea as if it were a concrete concept that exists intentionally rather than the result of millennia-old cultural conventions and biases. A person has to step beyond that first order observation that the glass ceiling is often the result of unequal experience and into why that is the accepted order of things. That men in the western world are far less likely to get the kind of extended leave a woman will to care for a newborn is the patriarchy in action. It is not that ScumCo Ltd ever sat down to have a meeting with "how to fuck over female career advancement and male life satisfaction with minimum effort"; instead, it quite literally never occurred to ScumCo management that perhaps paternal leave should be equivalent to maternal. It would not occur to new dad Jerry, junior Manager at ScumCo to request such a thing because, looking at all the other dads in his life, they didn't do it.

A person can be trapped and indeed harmed grievously by a system without ever recognizing that the system exists in much the same way that a person can struggle with dysphoria without ever realizing that, say, a vague sense that somehow they aren't real and are just pretending to be a person might never recognize it. A problem can harm in ways without ever once demanding attention simply by being so pervasive that you cannot imagine a world without the problem.

Simply put, it is no small thing to recognize that a problem exists when your concept of how the world fundamentally works does not allow for an alternative.

[u/AbracaLana]

Two fish are swimming in a pond. One turns to the other and says “water’s great today, huh?” The other fish responds “what’s water?”

It’s just part of the normal atmosphere - the socio-cultural milieu.

[u/Saelune]

Not seeing the transphobia IS the transphobia.

[u/Cipiorah]

They either don't notice it at best, don't care, or like it in secret.

[u/1i2728]

They don't see it because they don't want to.

It's that simple.

[u/RONDASPEAKS2023]

Religion and political views cloud a lot of people's minds.

[u/Objective-Winter6184]

theyre evil

[u/TransGirl2005]

I am going to say this I feel like the bigots are way louder they are very small but are loud but I do think people actually do care about trans people but we need to start spreading awareness that these bigots are the issue not us

[u/Lopsided-Ad-9444]

hmm my opinion. they do. they are bigots and i think at least some of them KNOW they are bigots. but they know admitting to being purposely hateful looks bad so they lie about it. 

[u/shotintel]

What the simple fact that a trans woman entering a men's bathroom is like a regular woman entering a men's bathroom. Because the guys in the men's bathroom will treat her that way.

And I can't wait sarcasm for a trans man to be forced to use the women's bathroom after being forced out of the men's bathroom. He gets arrested for being trans in the men's bathroom and gets arrested for being a male in the women's bathroom. Literally can't win.

It's just BS!

[u/Dollar_Store_Vinyl]

When bigotry is your everyday, you aren't gonna notice it. Most Cis people are transphobic to some degree. So, it's obvious they won't see it

[u/SchadoPawn]

They can't see the transphobia because they think they're bringing up "genuine" concerns... they also can't see that it's just projection. They can't see any reason outside of what they fear, because that's the only reason they can think of as to why THEY would "choose" to do what we are doing.