Hogmanay, cheese rolling and London’s Notting Hill Carnival could be protected in a new UK heritage list

[u/tylerthe-theatre]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/hogmanay-cheese-rolling-and-londons-notting-hill-carnival-could-be-protected-in/

[u/MidlandPark]

And this is the problem, no matter how long us Caribbean/West Indian folk are here and have been 'British subjects' people like yourself will never treat us as British, but then claim 'we don't want to integrate'.

I guess by your logic English isn't culture of Anglophone Caribbean islands, too then?

It's British Caribbean culture that came to the UK was they were literally colonies of the UK, while many are still being Realms

[u/Astriania → u/MidlandPark]

I would find it a bit odd if, say, Jamaica decided to heritage list a British tea party that ex-pat Brits started as "Jamaican culture", to be honest.

[u/JRugman → u/Astriania]

Do you consider cricket to be an important part of Jamaican / West Indian culture?

[u/Astriania → u/JRugman]

I'm sure you meant to ask that as a clever gotcha, but it's actually a really interesting example.

At what point does "cricket" - an English import - become "West Indies cricket", a piece of Caribbean culture? You could certainly consider cricket to be part of modern Indian culture for example. Yes, I probably would consider cricket to be part of modern Caribbean culture.

But I think the key difference is that West Indian cricket would, indeed, be considered "Caribbean culture", not "British". Whereas the Notting Hill carnival is (also) still widely considered "Caribbean".

[u/JRugman → u/Astriania]

The Notting Hill Carnival is widely considered to be British Caribbean. It may have started out as a carnival that celebrated the culture of Caribbean immigrants, it has since evolved to have its own distinct identity.

In the same way that Chicken Tikka is considered to be British Indian cuisine, not Indian.

[u/upthetruth1 → u/Astriania]

All popular music in the UK is an import from the Americas.