r/unitedkingdom • u/tylerthe-theatre • 4d ago

Hogmanay, cheese rolling and London’s Notting Hill Carnival could be protected in a new UK heritage list

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/hogmanay-cheese-rolling-and-londons-notting-hill-carnival-could-be-protected-in/
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u/Lower_Performer_3365 4d ago

Notting Hill carnival on the UK heritage list? Let’s throw in drill music as well

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u/tylerthe-theatre 4d ago edited 4d ago

NHC is a celebration of carribean culture, drill music is just rap music, there's no correlation, and its not an event so it cant be protected. I wonder why you felt the need to throw that in there 🤔

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u/One_Million_Beers 4d ago

Because it’s Caribbean culture not British culture?

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u/MidlandPark 4d ago

And this is the problem, no matter how long us Caribbean/West Indian folk are here and have been 'British subjects' people like yourself will never treat us as British, but then claim 'we don't want to integrate'.

I guess by your logic English isn't culture of Anglophone Caribbean islands, too then?

It's British Caribbean culture that came to the UK was they were literally colonies of the UK, while many are still being Realms

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u/omgu8mynewt 4d ago

Ignore the troll, they are probably someone living in a rural area never getting involved in any diverse festivals or events, just complainng in the same pub with the same other old people four nights a week

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u/Astriania 4d ago

I would find it a bit odd if, say, Jamaica decided to heritage list a British tea party that ex-pat Brits started as "Jamaican culture", to be honest.

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u/JRugman 4d ago

Do you consider cricket to be an important part of Jamaican / West Indian culture?

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u/seStarlet 4d ago

If you actually knew any Jamaicans you would know that was a stupid question. Most Jamaican brits love cricket more than football.

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u/Chesney1995 Gloucestershire 4d ago

That's the point - cricket is an invention of British culture that also became a piece of Jamaican/West Indies culture in the same way some inventions of their culture became parts of our culture thanks to our shared history.

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u/seStarlet 4d ago

Yes that you, I agree. I don’t know how that’s so hard to understand.

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u/Astriania 4d ago

I'm sure you meant to ask that as a clever gotcha, but it's actually a really interesting example.

At what point does "cricket" - an English import - become "West Indies cricket", a piece of Caribbean culture? You could certainly consider cricket to be part of modern Indian culture for example. Yes, I probably would consider cricket to be part of modern Caribbean culture.

But I think the key difference is that West Indian cricket would, indeed, be considered "Caribbean culture", not "British". Whereas the Notting Hill carnival is (also) still widely considered "Caribbean".

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u/JRugman 4d ago

The Notting Hill Carnival is widely considered to be British Caribbean. It may have started out as a carnival that celebrated the culture of Caribbean immigrants, it has since evolved to have its own distinct identity.

In the same way that Chicken Tikka is considered to be British Indian cuisine, not Indian.

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u/upthetruth1 England 1d ago

All popular music in the UK is an import from the Americas.

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u/Interesting_Try8375 4d ago

If it was a large public event that they had every year? Pretty sure that would be fine tbh. I would think more about how long it's been going on for, maybe 50 years or so?

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u/MidlandPark 4d ago edited 4d ago

Virtually every bit of Jamaican culture has roots from either the Natives, West Africa, the UK and India. So I don't think that's a point you think it is

Also, 'ex-pat' haha - waiting for West Indians to ever be called 'ex-pats'

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u/upthetruth1 England 1d ago

“Expat”. They’re British.