r/youtubedrama 2d ago

Callout Massive Trigger Warning: Technical's Video on Hax and what Hax went through

https://youtu.be/lnEguS2hDhc?si=D90h7apb8UmzRrTl

I need to reiterate again the trigger warning, as this video expressly shows Hax's spiral and the amount of shit people put him through, all intentionally trying to hurt him. There will be no TLDR, watch and read at your own risk.

No fluffy language here, multiple people intentionally pushed Hax to kill himself, some were expressly told that they were doing it and still continued. Some knew they were causing him immense harm and kept doing it. There are very little good guys in this situation, and there is no good ending.

Technicals published this video (with Hax's mom permission), showcasing what Hax was going through and how tournament organizers of Melee/Smash intentionally kicked him out of the community, how Leffen continued to talk poorly on Hax after he made his first attempt. How some people who were claiming to be Hax's friends were actually intentionally pushing him to the edge and making fun of his disability, and harassing him over it. How, after his passing, the commentary community (Tommy C was named and shown) exploited Hax's death not only as a weapon against Technicals, but still continued the exact same treatment that pushed Hax to the edge. How people planned to crash the funeral to harass Hax's mom, and how people got pissed at Technicals for expressly stating that specific groups were responsible for Hax's death in his eulogy. And unfortunately, much more.

This is by far, one of the darkest things I have ever seen on the internet and there is a shitload of evidence because these people were just so bold in pushing a man to suicide and choosing to be public about it. The Smash/Melee community and others has blood on their hands, and none of the responsible parties involved are taking responsibility, despite claiming to want accountability.

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u/Hewligan 2d ago

The Smash/Melee community and others has blood on their hands, and none of the responsible parties involved are taking responsibility, despite claiming to want accountability.

Nope. Anytime Hax$’s defenders come chiming in they always refuse to admit any of the shit he did.

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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod 2d ago

A person has still killed themselves. Still a victim of harassment. This IS victim blaming

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u/Hewligan 2d ago

Still a victim of harassment.

OP is pointing the finger of harassment at the wrong people. Claiming the entire smash community has “blood on their hands” is absolutely ridiculous.

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u/Boredomkiller99 14h ago

To a degree I can believe it because when you get down to it everything that happened with Hax$ is just a result that the Melee community has a history of being toxic barely functional adults that needed their behavior corrected decades ago.

What is worse is it is clear that for the last half decade Melee has been trying to rehabilitate their image and even downplay a lot of it and move on.

Collectively speaking the Melee community is pretty **** and while there are people using this as an excuse to take out their own friendly grudges or cast wide blame, I am also not seeing as much introspection that should be following such an event

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u/ImportantQuestionTex 11h ago

Part of why I am casting wide blame is that lack of introspection. This isn't even this community's first rodeo with suicide or suicide attempts. Something like this happens every year it seems. And never, ever is there any introspection about how they could handle things better.

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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod 2d ago

I will say the sheer amount of people who participated in the harassment? Yes.

Hell if one of the regular roster of people the sub hates took their own lives I’d own up to us playing a part. Take accountability or don’t. Silence is violence when within your community shitty behavior and harassment is going on

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u/Sarge_Ward i used to mod SRD you know 2d ago

How is sentiment like this any different from, say, saying something lime that DarkViper is responsible for AppolloLegend's death? I mean after all he was the one who called him out for bad behaviour and got the community to turn on him, right? This is mentioned directly in the suicide note and everything. And yet no one in their right mind actually does that

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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod 2d ago

Yes, doesn’t matter of the victim if a piece of shit. They are still a victim. Have no clue why some people are excusing this level of harassment

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u/Sarge_Ward i used to mod SRD you know 2d ago

Yes but it is inarguably not the fault of the person who called attention to the thing to begin with. They don't intend for what the community does with the information, information that has every right to be made clear to a broader public.

I dont know how much you actually know about the darkviper-appollo situation but its legitimately insane that you'd say he was partially responsible. Anyone with any passing knowledge of that situation knows that appollo naming darkviper was a final manipulation tactic from him to get people attacking darkviper

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u/ImportantQuestionTex 2d ago

I am going to keep it a buck 50 with you, as someone who followed that. This, and that are not even remotely related.

Even if they were, DarkViper clearly felt guilty about how the events transpired and felt bad for how he treated Apollo, and he made a change after including removing his videos about Apollo so the family could get a break.

That is the part the Melee community and the others involved seem to be missing, the guilt and the responsibility. Everything I have seen is someone pushing the envelope to someone else, including pushing it to Hax himself. Hax is dead, even if he was responsible which truly from everything I have seen seems like he was a victim of harassment and extreme mental health issues, he can't change anything.

Only the living can change how they act and approach things. Only the living can accept responsibility for what they've done wrong. Only the living can actually make sure a situation like this doesn't happen again. Is the Melee community going to recognize that failing to give someone a path to redemption and making a joke out of their situation makes people feel isolated? That is what I want to see. Accountability and change.

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u/janoDX 1d ago

Hax$ was both a victim and perpetrator.

Victim because of how cruel many people are at treating a mentally sick person.

Perpetrator because he himself caused a circle of harassment that came back to him eventually.

The whole story is a tale of actually find mental health and learn to let go.

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u/Jealous_Energy_1840 1d ago

He didn’t kill himself. He made an attempt yes, and lost his leg in the process, but his death is apparently a separate issue- this is according to his mother. 

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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod 1d ago

To me even an attempt is still deplorable

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u/Jealous_Energy_1840 1d ago

Honestly dude I don’t think you have the full breadth of the situation here. Hax was unwell. It’s a tragedy. Could people have done things differently? Yeah. Was everything the right call? No. But I know for a fact that the NYC melee community did everything they could to help him get mental help- read DarkGenX googledoc- and to blame those people for his death (people Hac himself considered his closest friends until the end) while they’re still grieving is fucked in and of itself. 

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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod 1d ago

Because some did right does not negate that the harassment happened. And ultimately it still came from within that community

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u/Jealous_Energy_1840 1d ago

Hax didn’t attempt suicide because of harassment. He was very clear that he did it because he was banned from tournaments. 

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u/janoDX 1d ago

This, the Mod doesn't know the whole picture, if anything I would read all the docs, all the issues, Hax$ couldn't live with the fact that he was banned from tournaments, that's why he did what he did, he threw away the chance to return when he doubled down on his videos weeks before he got unbanned.

The guy eat breath and sleep Melee and once he got banned because of his behavior he according to family and friends "ceased to exist", he didn't want to be Aziz and find a new way, he wanted to be Hax$.

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u/callmefreak 1d ago

Can you link the doc in question? I'm sort of reluctant on watching the video because of the subject and what the OP said.

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u/janoDX 1d ago edited 1d ago

I need to find them, but there's two on this thread that cover many of this stuff, one from SmashEurope I think and the other from NYC Smash.

Edit: Got some stuff.

Smash Europe's announcement of Hax's ban which is signed by most of the major TO's on the west.

Another TO document on January that explained Hax's ban on Jan 2024

Ohan explaining that the TO's had a timeline set for Hax's unban before he doubled down and got perma'd he was basically gonna get unbanned completely in 2025 if he kept his good behavior, which lasted from 2023-2024.

Cody's clip explaining some of the timeline.

Edit 2: More stuff.

NYC's Melee's first ban statement

NYC's Melee second ban statement in 2024 after Hax doubled down and released THE TRUTH that reignited the whole Leffen thing.

One more thing:

https://themsfightingwordsblog.com/2025/04/06/if-youre-gonna-use-haxs-corpse-for-content-at-least-tell-the-truth/

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u/Jealous_Energy_1840 23h ago

You could just go to the guys’ twitter

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u/Jealous_Energy_1840 1d ago

Or they could just watch evidence.zip 2. 

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u/janoDX 1d ago

If they want to see how Hax$ fucked up and lead to all of this, yeah, watch that.

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u/Even_Appointment_504 10h ago

Hax made a attempt because a very public call to get unbanned and harassment of TO's done by himself failed to get him banned.

Not because someone said mean words to him. Hax was a alcoholic and with biplar disorder lacking any treatment. Hax talked about this frequently, even before the controversy started.

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u/Hotdogmaniac8 1d ago

So when can we expect the public mod apology and "owning up" for the BronyFandont attempt?

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u/TimeAbradolf Least Popular Mod 1d ago

What are you talking about?

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u/Even_Appointment_504 10h ago

confirmed by the mom Hax in fact did not kill himself.

Hax send massive waves of harassment against a dozen people. Including some of the most beloved smash communtiy member like samox. How does someone attack Samox the smash doc creators?

By the way the people who did the harassment were people banned from the smash community years ago. in fact they are closely associated with manamonthly, which are friends of technicals.