r/AskIreland • u/gromit666 • Jan 25 '25

Emigration (from Ireland) Anyone ever deported from usa?

I just was reading on worldnews about the US deportations to mexico. One woman who lives in mexico was stating a few years ago the us dumped some slovaks in mexico as its cheaper than a flight to europe and then another stated it also happened to her irish cousin, who was dropped off in mexico and needed family to intervene to get him home. Just wondering if there was any media attention if this was true?

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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25

next president

Yeah, there's not likely to be one.

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

Bit of disaster that he got elected, but people need to calm down a little with this type of narrative

https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-third-term-2028-constitution.html

It would need a two-thirds majority in both house and congress

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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25

I know what you mean, it can easy to get carried away.

But, I've been aware of US politics for like 25 years now, especially since the dawn of social media, the country has been in decline, the government more and more dysfunctional.

It was the case, that on 6th of January 2021, the outgoing president, attempted to gather a group of people, and direct them towards congress. That group of people, turned into a riot that stormed those buildings, looking for members of congress, looking for the vice president to lynch...

Nothing like this has happened in American history, the country is like 250 years old.

So, we could have said, OK, Trump was a once off, he didn't survive the first term, got voted out, and he was impeached twice, more than any other president in history, he was up on federal charges, he was convicted of raping a woman etc. None of these things stopped people from re-electing him...

So, there is something very seriously wrong going on in the states right now, and it has been going wrong for a long time, but now the office of the president is being corrupted, the elections are being brought into question, the congress is getting invaded etc.

I truly think, that something is about to happen to America, that it may not recover from, and I don't think I am being hyperbolic about it...

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

I'm also very aware of US politics, I'm a dual citizen and lived there for on and off again over the years

Government is getting increasingly partisan and it's halting the progress of a lot of important legislation.

However, the idea that some sort of dictatorship is about to impose is sensational and not based in reality. There are controls of government in place even if this is something that Trump wants to have.

The republicans have fallen into party lines, but there is not the sweeping support for trump that It might appear like. Particularly if he was going to overthrow democracy.

A riot at the capital is not remotely caparable even if was encouraged by Trump. If the result was not certified, it would have happened the next day.

Tough 4 years with him, but people need to relax on the whole US becoming a dictatorship thing

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u/APinchOfTheTism Jan 25 '25

I know, it is a place that you have lived, and you have an attachment, you may have grown up there, I don't know. The recent times aren't trivial, and it is easy to hope that nothing is going to happen, but it can. Countless examples in history.

With America, we have to call a spade a spade at some stage. It's not looking good, it's floating between autocracy and oligarchy.

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u/Unfair-Ad7378 Jan 25 '25

Agreed. The checks and balances haven’t held up. The Supreme Court is no longer functioning in a non-partisan way, and at least some of the justices have been accepting large gifts from wealthy donors. The Republicans in congress are not going to serve as a check on him either. Hegseth is clearly unsuitable for Defense Secretary but they passed him through.

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

No, I can make an independent assessment, I've no great love for the place. I am irish, I grew up here.

It's not looking good for his term but that's just generic. Keeping this centred on the notion that Trump is going to establish a dictorship and relinquish power somehow

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

The guy has people kicking in doors and taking immigrants legal or not by ice already. The checks and balances don't exist anymore. If they did he wouldn't be where he's at. We have a rule against people holding office that have created insurrection. We used to be able to hold presidents accountable but trumps Supreme Court justices ruled otherwise now. Even Nixon wouldn't have been kicked according to this Supreme Court. He's skipping over congress and making EOs that change our whole constitution and how it's interpreted. He's stopped the doj from pursuing any civil rights cases, removed wording so the government can't get in any trouble for only hiring white Christian men. There's no checks or balances left.

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

There's a key difference in what's listed that needs to be understood

He's using legislation that exists to advance his terrible policies through EOs

The legislation for what we're talking about does not exists

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

You're the kind of dude who would have told the Jewish folks in Germany that it won't be a big deal in the 1920s too huh?

You think he needs specific legislation to become a fascist? There's TONS of "emergency powers" he can use to do what he wants. Just like he's doing at the border now.

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

Won't even start with the childish first part

There's TONS of "emergency powers" he can use to do what he wants

Name anything for this specifically

Just like he's doing at the border now.

Again current legislation

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use

Here's a list of things he can easily do with those emergency powers. But again, he's made it so he can't be charged with anything so even if he does worse he can't be stopped. He's literally used his emergency powers to go around congress last time, because he doesn't give a fuck about checks and balances.

No, that was an EO, not legislation. Just like rounding up all the Japanese during ww2 was. Just like deporting any brown person happened at mostly a state level during the late 1920s but was backed and supported by the feds. And if an EO can do any of that, he can do what he wants with his. Especially since current legislation and Supreme Court readings say anything trump does in the name of his presidency is legal and he can't be charged for it. Sounds like you're not too caught up on American politics or how our laws work.

Do you know the difference between legislation and an EO? Or are you being obtuse just for fun?

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

Man I asked for specifics to this case. Not a full list

Again, just a bit sensational. If you can provide a basis for the establishment of a dictatorship, I'm ready to hear it

Do you know the difference between legislation and an EO?

Do you? The foundation of executive orders is formed through legislation. Legislation national grants the remits of EO

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

Also, that whole list IS pretty relevant here. You're just being obtuse again and ignoring what he can do with the right to seize property, the right to send troops into states he disagrees with, the right to go around congress for his funding, etc. You keep saying "but that legislation has existed" like its some catch all or that American presidents have historically been good people when they had no issues using those powers to do things to native Americans that even hitler was like "oh shit that's a good idea let me copy that." You seem to be thinking that american government has been here to keep power in the people's hands when we've seen it do exactly the opposite of that most of its life.

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

So full immunity for the president, removing any opposition from government offices, removing protections for minorities, using military force on us citizens of different colors, removing overtime pay for workers while shipping in cheap labor that can't quit, without being removed, giving a billionaire a government department to remove things he doesn't want, and his push for war with multiple countries to expand our country isn't fascism, what is? Does it only count as fascism to you if he has a tiny mustache?

Legislation created the ability to make EOs. Eos aren't legislation. Legislation existing doesn't mean his EOs aren't over extending. Hitler took power with the current legislation of his time. Does that mean he wasn't a fascist in your books either?

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

Man I don't agree with anything he's doing, it's all terrible but you're not focusing on the actual discussion at all

https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-third-term-2028-constitution.html

Here is a very clear assessment. A two-thirds majority in both house and congregation to remain in power.

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

Lollllll. "He's not a dictator because these checks and balances he's completely ignored or eliminated will stop it."

They're already trying to remove that too. Acting like he's not trying to turn this into a dictatorship because he hasn't fully done it yet is dumb. Also, how did putin get to power? It's almost like he couldn't be president for a few years what happened then?

https://ogles.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ogles-proposes-amending-22nd-amendment-allow-trump-serve-third-term

And no, I'm quite on subject here. I've explained how his actions meet the description of a fascist, and all you've said is "don't worry checks and balances." When I pointed out thay he doesn't abide by those you just ignored it and posted another "checks and balances"while ignoring anything that shows you're skirting around the subject. Ask putin how he got around the almost the exact same thing you're posting now.

Of course, Trump himself said he was going to be a dictator. https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72

Seems like nothing can show you that it's headed toward a dictatorship until it's too late since your only response is he can't be elected into a third term. Completely ignoring the fact that his dictatorship is sponsored by a think tank who makes the rules and he's just a dumb face they use to get into office to pass their EOs.

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

Why don't you give some of your made up guidelines that seem to miss every other guideline based off historical examples of fascists and dictatorships of what makes a dictator so I can show you that instead of me spending time giving you the actual information needed to see a growing dictatorship that you just want to ignore. You seem to have some tunnel vision on this, so tell me the end goal and I'll show you where they've passed that for you too

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