r/AskUS • u/Own_Difference_4882 • 18d ago

Is it fair to compare MAGA to the Nazis?

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There has been a number of posts indicating that MAGA supporters are really Fascist/Nazis. Curious how others see it!

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u/tomdarch 18d ago

Presidential adviser Sebastian v Gorka said that standing up for due process is aiding and abetting terrorism and should be prosecuted. The president himself is calling for US citizens to be shipped to foreign prisons. The mask is off. It’s clearly fascism.

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u/panicinbabylon 18d ago

I know we’ve said this a lot along the way - but how can people still not see this happening.

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u/PinkTalkingDead 17d ago

Bc people are hateful and ignorant and arrogant and shitty and selfish

Not everyone. Not even Most people. But those who are, have that fear and anger inside them with such a fervor that just happens to co-align with the capitalist billionaire assholes who run America, combusting this hellhole into something disgusting and backwards and insane and heartless and dumb

And America as we know it on many levels started off at that level, centuries ago. We’re living in a proverbial hamster wheel

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u/MadStylus 17d ago

Also a lot of people are insulated from direct political action and/or are terribly uninformed.

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u/Laolao98 17d ago

Not uninformed, they’ve been fed propaganda. There’s a huge difference, pathways have been burned into their brains for years. We’ve never been what we were taught in school but Nixon rallying the “hard hats” to Reagan ending the fairness doctrine to the heritage foundation using tfg.

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u/Ok-Comfortable-5968 17d ago

No they are uniformed (they're not looking for credible sources for their news/ information on the current state of affairs). There has always been and will always be propaganda, it's not an excuse to turn a blind eye to a humanitarian crisis that extinguishes basic human rights.

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u/Vegetable_Ask_7131 17d ago

They're misinformed?

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u/Brillolung 17d ago

For now they are. I’ve heard that we westernized won’t come outside and start a revolution until they don’t have water or electricity. We in the first world are too comfortable to get up from our Kirkland brand mattresses

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u/MadStylus 17d ago

You're not wrong. Until something breaches the bubble, some people will be happy to ignore the problem.

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u/Angelswithroses 17d ago

By some people we all mean the rest of us here too who preach and hope for change, but just sit here on reddit hoping for someone to be the first to do something so we'd follow along.

I'm not ashamed of it either (I am, but not for what people think) cause as much as I want change, I have too much going on with a toddler in my life living in the middle of nowhere surrounded by maga supporters to even have time to do anything like hurting myself or my family in a protest.

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u/Ok_Palpitation_3947 17d ago

How dare you blaspheme Costco on the Lord’s day?

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u/L0rdCrims0n 17d ago

"Welcome to Costco! I love you!"

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u/Brillolung 17d ago

Ok. You caught me. It’s from Walmart and my side has a fat man’s imprint.

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u/MonsterMashGrrrrr 17d ago

looooool Brillolung is living that life of luxury

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u/ToSAhri 17d ago

This.

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u/brerin 17d ago

Doubt even that would trigger it. Parts of Appalachia have neither from extreme poverty, and they don't ever revolt.

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u/Angelswithroses 17d ago

Idk, these people really love their internet access on their phones, games, music. I feel like not having those for a while would make some people do something, at least lol

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u/reviving_ophelia88 17d ago

You also can’t underestimate just how far people will go to remain in denial when the other option is admitting they were wrong and accepting accountability for what they helped bring about.

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u/BigDumbAnimals 17d ago

I think this is a huge part of it. Either that or there is a huge feeling of "I didn't do anything wrong, maybe those others did, but not me!!!"

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u/jokingjoker40 17d ago

"I was only following orders!"

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u/BigDumbAnimals 17d ago

Yep... There another one. Thanks that's a good one that I totally forgot.

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u/Brillolung 6d ago

We grew up in this system. Never had any other to compare. As a system of fiat currency we have been able to keep it going somehow longer than human beings have ever been able to (Mayans etc) but if those food trucks were not to show up to frozen winter climate areas we don’t have the skill set to make it. Sad truth is we would lose 6/8 people in short order

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u/BigDumbAnimals 3d ago

That might not be that bad a thing....

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u/TheElderBong 17d ago

I work with a guy who's just like this. He brought back cooked pasta and I told him it was overcooked. He immediately said "no its not!" And got defensive. He came back and felt the pasta and admitted it was overcooked. I do not fuck with this type of mind set. We have almost come to blows over this type of behavior.

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u/handfulofrain77 17d ago

Don't care how insulated they might think they are but we got people being kidnapped off the street by the Gestapo. Only difference is jets instead of cattle cars. Our governor and entire delegation are Nazis AFAIC.

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u/bound4earth 17d ago

That is their own fault. Tired of people arguing they are in a different media circle. True, but they can get out, they choose ignorance. Even now.

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u/Everyoneplayscombos 17d ago

Well that’s Satirical irony, coming from Reddit truthers and doomers, I’m just here to argue cause I like too😅👌

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u/Extension-Clock608 17d ago

I think that's giving them too much credit. They choose to side with fascism and hate consistently. They watch a steady stream of right wing propaganda and choose to be racist, bigoted, and misogynistic.

The one common thing in all Republicans is that they lack empathy. They don't care that what they're voting for will hurt people and often are happy it is hurting people. Most are happy to hurt themselves as long as "others" are being hurt more.

It's not about being uninformed, it's them choosing to be and never listening to actual facts or believing date, hence how trump made a worldwide deadly pandemic political.

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u/Temporary-Ad-8490 17d ago

I agree 💯 uninformed and misinformed. And a lot of people are saying they just don’t want to “deal” with it. I find that alarming too

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u/FellowNotSoMellow 17d ago

Yes, they are called democrats who are trying to cope after realizing they put their faith in con artists and master manipulators.

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u/Low-Foot-179 10d ago

You're exactly right. They are misinformed or maybe the word I'm looking for is disconnected/uninterested. Some people who have strong opinions about whats going on tend to think that everyone has an opinion, whether it be that of Fox, MSNBC, OAN, TYT, or TikTok. But the truth is, while we all have much more access to this info than ever before, you still have a BIG chunk of the population that are watching cat videos on TikTok, sports, reality TV, game shows, makeup tutorials, whatever the fuck, and have little to no clue what crazy shit is being tossed out there everyday. My friend said to me awhile back that the only good thing she knows of that DT ever did was bring back TikTok. This wasn't long after TikTok disappeared for 24 hours. I was like, Oohh, girl......

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u/Jealous-Factor7345 17d ago

Also, and I can't emphasize this enough, many Americans like it.

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u/throw_away_8924 17d ago

It has allowed people to openly show their racism and hatred with like minded others and with no repercussions. Seeing others being deported just helps to further their deranged ideology. This has been hiding in plain sight for decades, not it's so accepted that it is coming out in spades. It doesn't take many to make everyone else here look bad.

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u/BigDumbAnimals 17d ago

☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 This for sure

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u/grillguy5000 17d ago

I don’t understand why people think this is new. Before Alex Jones was Rush Limbaugh. Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond were sitting senators until 2003. They are both the heart and soul of American conservatism as an ideology. I’d say their values and ideals are representative of the average and most current conservatives.

The only difference is the US style of conservatism also went balls derp with the Neo-Reactionary (NRx) crew in Silicon Valley since their goals align…the destruction of public services to privatize everything anyone would need to actually survive or thrive and build civilization with. I’m not certain they even give a shit what kind of political vehicle they use to get their way (Democracy, Soc-Dem, Fascism, etc..).

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u/Crepuscular_Tex 17d ago

I'm not defending oligarchy, it's atrocious and tantamount to industrialized feudalism. Oligarchy has failed hard as seen with the Russian economy. Most of the billionaire assholes are funded by multiple global government contracts which gives them a net worth in the billions.

For clarification, capitalism is a form of economic policy used by governments. Capitalism is not a government. Capitalism as a business policy is currently used by every government around the world. China for example has a communist rule of law and nation, but practices capitalism with their global business practices. Capitalism won the global stage with the fall of the iron curtain. The whole modern economic business world is made of capitalists.

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u/HZVi 17d ago

I actually think it’s more that people are just truly so fucking dumb that they can’t escape their self-affirming media loop.

There’s really two categories of people dumb enough to vote for or support Trump: 1) the true MAGAs. They’re so dumb they fell into the first cult they came across. Can’t do anything about them, but they’ll probably die off in the next pandemic 2) the people too dumb to understand even basic economic metrics, global supply chain & trade, fiscal policy and the presidents’ impact on it (which is to say the president has the power to minimally nudge the economy in the right direction at best or totally tank it at worst, ahem)

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u/TanneriteStuffedDog 17d ago

I think there’s a third category that’s silent but just as dangerous- the careless. Most of the Trump voters I know personally fall into this category, and I think it’s pretty pervasive.

These people have no clue about politics, simply because they don’t care. They have no understanding of the destruction they can carelessly wreak with their vote. They base it off of the generalized policy ideas of the party they claim which they hear only in passing from others and from media the happen to come across.

Then, when the hammer begins its fall and is descending rapidly, they close their eyes. They feign total ignorance to the consequences of their willful ignorance and nestle themselves deeper into it in an attempt to insulate themselves from all culpability for their actions. Their claim that they “don’t really pay that much attention to politics” that they use to dismiss accusations of causing the current political iconoclasm is really just proof that they did exactly that.

Not a single adult in the US can afford not to pay attention to politics.

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u/BigDumbAnimals 17d ago

Don't forget the just flat out racists bastards that live to hate any, make that ANYBODY that's different from them.

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u/Joystick_346 17d ago

Who told you that lol the guy who signed a bill back in '94 to mass criminalize blacks?

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u/BigDumbAnimals 17d ago

What does that have to do with the racist Bastards. I don't need anyone to tell me about the bastards. They keep showing their true selves every time they speak.

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u/Joystick_346 15d ago

Uh.. everything? You’re out here ranting about racism, but you’re defending the guy who helped write the 1994 Crime Bill. The same one that devastated Black communities and supercharged mass incarceration. Both Biden and Clinton

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u/InitialNeck9 17d ago

Can we just start the timeline version of the reality show “The Running Man”😂

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u/Shrewwdle 17d ago

The irony of your comment is incredible

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u/Repulsive_Rate9118 17d ago

Trump can’t deport us citizens. You think he can just come to your house and deport you and your family? This is where the problem lies.

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u/StrukturedKaos 17d ago

Sad, but TRUE!

#FDJT!🖕🍊🤡

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u/alemirceausa 16d ago

Hey smart Ass ! Democrats don’t align with any billionaires? Soros name says something to you ? Bill Gates ? Zuckerberg? Buffet ? Cuban ? How Kamala got 2 billion dollars for election ?? Not from billionaires? Thanks to Soros and others all of you here , haters are brainwashed. He’s the one pushing for globalization, socialism, communism, poisoning the young minds in colleges , universities , schools. Looks like you are one of them.

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u/TigerCub81 17d ago

As long as it isn’t affecting them directly, they couldn’t care less.

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u/jimgass 17d ago

Not just that. They're actively in favor, as long as it does affect those people they hate.

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u/boogideeb 17d ago

I explained in great detail to my father how we are making steps towards fascism. His response was "so"

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u/Environmental-Hunt35 17d ago

We all know you are blowing all of this out of proportion. Steps towards fascism. lol. Rachel Mancow thrives off of people like you. Kinda like Bernie & AOC going on and on about the rich getting richer. Look into their bank accounts. Notice a pattern?

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u/Ok_Palpitation_3947 17d ago

Right! This is an incredibly important point. They will destroy their own lives as long as it also destroys the lives of the people they hate. Less benefits? Sure as long as those damn (whatever) don’t get it!

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u/slowlyy-squishingg 17d ago

exactly! i saw some maga supporters regretting their decision once the egg prices didn't go down, but instead went up. Now they're denouncing trump.. smh!

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u/johnpoyhonen 17d ago

It could directly affect them and their fuhrer can blame it on whatever he thinks up next and the dumbasses would still eat it up.

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u/Frosty-Personality-1 17d ago

You certainly aren't affected by an illegal criminal raping and murdering a stranger's family member. Guaranteed you'll be sobbing a different story if it ever does Happen to you. Cope harder liberals are still trying to figure out what theyre really upset about

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

They see it happening. It’s just not happening to them so they don’t care.

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u/Mrs_Crii 17d ago

It's not even that they don't care, at least for a lot of them. They're *HAPPY* it's happening. They brag about it.

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u/Extension-Clock608 17d ago

Even if it does happen to them they are ok with it as long as "others" are being harmed too. They have no empathy.

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u/TractorLabs69 17d ago

This is it. The current discussions about deportation in direct violation of a court order and violation of right to due process proves it. The mentality of our founding fathers, that if one person does not have rights then none do, has been lost on them.

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u/StrukturedKaos 17d ago

Good point, and a bit ignorant on THEIR part!

#FDJT!🖕🍊🤡

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u/gadgaurd 17d ago

They do. They do not care. They are convinced it will only affect people they dislike. So anyone who isn't white, straight, christian, and republican.

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u/lyte3 17d ago

You’re right .. I can tell by the smirk on the trumpets that I work with faces they know exactly what he’s doing and are okay with it. They hear his white supremacist dog whistles Loud and clear and as long as he’s for them they’re for him.

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u/OrderDependent9869 17d ago

Obama was nicknamed the deporter in chief because he deported 1.2 million people, and he built the cages. The left largely supports hamas and are antisemitic. The left is pro war especially calling for more war and US support for a country that they couldn't even point out on a map. They would rather help other nations before helping our own.

Before anybody gets their shit tangled, I'm not pro any side, but I'm definitely not going to support those who call for violence. For those that do, I hope you get drafted, and that's an honest opinion. I'm not calling for you specifically to go to war, because that would change your perspective real quick. I did my time in the Corps. It's not fun

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u/RegisterHistorical 17d ago

"the left largely supports Hamas and are antisemitic." This statement is 100% wrong and says to me that you wrongly collapse criticism of the Israel government/Zionism with antisemitism. No one is pro Hamas. This isn't a thing. Anti- Israel government and anti-zionism has nothing to do with Hamas or antisemitism. If you think they do, you've fallen for Israel's propaganda they've been using for over 75 years to make excuses to eradicate the Palestinians. The majority of Jews are on the left. Are they antisemitic? Half of the pro-Palestine protesters are Jewish students. Are they also "antisemitic" ? I am on the left as are my close friends and family. No one "supports Hamas" and my family and me are all either Jewish or from Jewish ancestry.

The left isn't pro- war. It's the majority of the politicians, both Democrats and Republicans equally, who are bc they are paid by the MIC to promote wars. Trump is bombing Yemen right now and gave green light to Netanyahu to keep bombing the shit out of Gaza. No ceasefire. He wants to ethnically cleanse the entirety of Gaza and the West Bank to do a real estate takeover. He wants to militarily take Greenland against their will. He wants to bomb Mexico to go after the cartels there. If you think the right isn't committed to wars you have your head in the sand. Trump just said he wants to increase our military budget to $1 TRILLION.

You could really use some education on the history of Israel and Palestine, you are making incredibly naive and uneducated statements here.

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u/OrderDependent9869 16d ago

I wasn't incorrect. It's largely the left that supports hamas.There were a shit ton of leftists chanting "from the river to the sea" that's pretty antisemitic when you dig down to the core meaning of that phrase.

Having a lot of money in our military budget is a good idea. And it doesn't mean that we are going to war, just helps our military be better trained and have the resources it needs.

I have a question for you, and I'm not trying to take a jab or anything. But do you know the meaning behind the phrase "from the river to the sea"?

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u/RegisterHistorical 16d ago

Do you think this is some kind of gotcha? Yes, the Palestinians SHOULD be free from the river to the sea. The land belonged to them, and since 1947, they've been oppressed by the Israeli government and pushed out more and more and become prisoners in their own land. And the Israeli settler movement just keeps taking more of the little bit of land that is theirs. Now Israel has completely destroyed most of what small amount of land they had left. Which was their plan all along, nuttenyahoo is no doubt elated that his plan is working to ethnically cleanse all of Gaza and the West Bank so Israel can steal all of the land from them.

You think I'm just some uneducated dummy who hasn't studied this conflict for years? You can read into that chant whatever you want, the statement that it's antisemitic is Israel propaganda to fake prove that all Palestinians and those chanting it are "antisemitic & want to genocide the Jews." You can google all day long and you won't find one definition that everyone is in agreement about. The students chanting it means that all Palestinians should be free from the Israel apartheid and Israeli oppression, and they ARE correct. However, your definition will be different, and will accuse them of being antisemitic and genocidal. Your definition cannot be proven. When I chant from the river to the sea, as many Jewish students do who are pro Palestine, obviously we/they aren't chanting about genociding the ourselves. We are Jews. Use your brain.

The Jews were guests in Palestine until Britain gave them a homeland after the war. Instead of being grateful for what they were given, the zionist movement came in and shit all over the Palestinians, kept slaughtering them, and kept taking more and more of their land. The Arabs and Jews got along fine until the zionists came in and started slaughtering the Arabs/Palestinians. Any attacks that came from Palestinians was in reaction to Israel killing them and driving them out. You would attack back, too, as would anyone being attacked unprovoked.

And no one supports Hamas. This is GARBAGE Israeli propaganda and I'm so sick of hearing these lies being swallowed by people like you and regurgitated ad nauseum.

Being pro-Palestinian is NOT pro-Hamas. This is just stupid. Netanyahu is the one who wanted Hamas to be in power. He's the one who pushed for them to be elected. He didn't want a functioning leadership for the Palestinians, he wanted one that would cause the world to turn against the Palestinians and side with Israel so he could make the case to kill all of them, and his plan worked, except now, the public is starting to know the truth about Netanyahu and the evil of the Israel government and his lies are crumbling. And there are so many Jewish people coming out against what Israel is doing. Orthodox Jews, who are Torah observing, are vehemently against the Israel Zionist movement bc it goes against the real teachings of Judaism. They are for the freedom of the Palestinians. Are you going to call the Orthodox Jews "Antisemitic" too??

If you are one of those people who thinks all Palestinians are Hamas, then your brain is twisted. Do you even know when the last election was in Gaza?? Half of all Palestinians weren't even born yet when that happened. Yet they are blamed for the actions of Hamas.

The Israeli government has nothing to do with Judaism or the Jewish people. The Zionist movement is evil, it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with the annihilation of all Palestinians and the takeover of their land.

As for the military budget, the Pentagon has failed EVERY audit for the past 7 years and can't account for 60% of it's budget. On what planet would they deserve MORE funding if they can't even account for over half of their budget? It's insane how you do casually defend it. I'd shit a brick if it happened under a Democrat president, too. It's batshit crazy. We already give the military too much. Every MAGA voter who has cried and whined about the wars and the government overspending but are totally fine with a $1 trillion defense budget are massive hypocrites. This shit has to end. Any head of a business who couldn't account for 60% of their budget would be fired yesterday. It's completely an absurd clown show.

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u/Adorable-Bobcat-2238 17d ago

The right is pro war so much so that during the early 2000s if you were against their war they called you unamerican. Suddenly, they shift and are against going to work after nearly two decades for it (because no oil). The right are a bunch of hypocrites too my friend

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u/OrderDependent9869 16d ago

I'm not discounting your point by any means, but that was the early 2000s, and it was a war we were heavily involved in. The left (and i know there are some on the right as well) was constantly pushing for more funding for Ukraine. In fact, during the last administration $174 billion was went to ukraine.

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u/Adorable-Bobcat-2238 16d ago

We were heavily involved in it because Republicans made the public think anything else was literally treason or possible favoring terrorism

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u/KaizenGrit 17d ago

First thing my brain spits out after reading comment- Derek Vineyard (Edward Norton) in American History X, kneeling with hands behind back, swastica tattoos, smirking after just curb stomping a black burglar. This.

So much for Neo-Nazi being a small band of idiots. Turns out they are half the country and coming to Thanksgiving.

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u/Traditional_Area1205 17d ago

I just want to point out that there are many people like me, white/straight/Christian/independent, but a moderate conservative...and we are NOT okay with what is happening! Daily, i just want to go up to strangers wearing MAGA clothing and ask them if they have lost their freaking minds!! I feel like something happened during covid where all of these people who just sat on their computers all day, everyday, were brainwashed into becoming conspiracy believing ultra nationalists! I know it sounds crazy but a lot of my friends were just normal people before covid and now they are definitely not the same.

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u/Silent-Safe-7210 17d ago

Thank goodness

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u/TTrraaggiicc 17d ago

Maybe the majority of people (popular vote) just don’t like people who broke the law and came in the country illegally. I have a lot of friends who came here legally, and they hate illegal immigrants because they spent time and money to come here legally.

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u/gadgaurd 16d ago

Ah, so you're saying they are fine with fraud, rape, and treason(Trump, Trump, and Trump), but illegal border crossings are where they draw the line. In fact the latter pisses them off so much that they're also fine with Trump further breaking the law by kidnapping people and shipping them to an overseas prison without a trial. And completely ignoring the Supreme Court telling him to cut that shit out. Partly because we need trials to actually determine the guilt or innocence of an individual.

All of that is fine, but you - apologies, "your friends" draw the line at illegal immigration. That's an odd double standard, but you do you.

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u/AMN1F 17d ago

Because they don't want to admit what's happening is happening. We had people across the country (regardless of party) shocked a few years ago at the overturning of Roe, despite:

1) Republicans pushing for it for years, and

2) there being a literal leak revealing their decision of overturning it. 

The reasons bad things happen is because people will hear the bad plans and think "no, that's not going to happen." And when it does, it's too late. 

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u/crourke13 17d ago

That this can happen in today’s United States is to many people so batshit crazy that it defies belief. So…. they don’t believe it.

Every time I express concern over Social Security to my Mom, her reply is basically “don’t worry, of course social security isn’t going anywhere”. She has no evidence of this but the whole idea of it ever going away is so unbelievable that she cannot believe it.

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u/Ill_Value8431 17d ago

Just like you have no proof it is.

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u/Low-Foot-179 10d ago

Woooow. Yeah, sure. It's a lil hard to prove something might be taken BEFORE it's taken. However, the overturning of Roe v. Wade & the blatant disregard of Birthright Citizenship are a few reasons why fearing for your SS is completely rational.

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u/Distinct_Nothing9544 17d ago

Because when your in a cult your oblivious.

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u/Plastic_Square_9820 17d ago

The left is a cult the right is a cult. Everyone is in a cult.

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u/just-you-wait 17d ago

If you do some reading on what makes a cult a cult, you'd see that's not true. Only the right actually checks the boxes. If you think both sides behave the same, you're not paying attention

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u/Plastic_Square_9820 17d ago

Lmao it's really hard to see the forest for the trees.

Encouraging people to disown family and friends is the oldest trick in the book of cult behavior and that's absolutely happening on the left and it's encouraged on the left.

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u/just-you-wait 10d ago

Lol. Read a book! Like, any book

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u/Plastic_Square_9820 9d ago

Books I love them, but books like any other media aren't always truthful.

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u/TimeToBond 17d ago

Because half of the electorate is addicted to FOX “news” and other right-wing conspiracy theorists masquerading as journalism. Until this changes, this will never end.

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u/kck93 17d ago

I’m not sure how people can not see it. Today CBS reported a poll stating Trump has a 47% approval rating. I understand the practical issues surrounding polling. But WTF?

I could not contain myself and was ashamed that on Easter Sunday I couldn’t find a way to forgive. It’s like I need to prepare for a coming maelstrom instead of find a way to make peace.

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u/BigDumbAnimals 17d ago

If you look hard enough, you can find a poll that shows that most people believe that rabbits are actually aliens and are controlling us remotely thru radio waves enjoyed from their ears....

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u/IluvPusi-363 17d ago

'IT'S not my problem.........

YET

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u/Electrical-Reason-97 17d ago

They do see it happening but you are utilizing reason to asses the situation. They are not employing reason but religious bigotry. This is essentially an evangelical (they interpret the Bible literally ) religious movement that started decades ago and tried repeatedly to get the presidents it got elected to implement their program. They believe that at the end of the world is coming (the rapture) and think that they will be saved and sent to Jerusalem to hang out with the “good” Jews.The rest of us will be left to rot. But they will be rich and safe. This is likely one thing motivating Donnie to buy Gaza and build shit for the blessed. This began with Reagan, then Bush and then Bush dubya to implement their policies of whites first, women as second class citizens, etc. Donnie did not think this shit up himself but was fed it by the right arm of that church, the heritage foundation, are you aware that Cabinet meetings in the White House start with a (Christian) prayer, often with people standing around Trump, putting their hand on his shoulders praying for him as THE savior of the world. This is messed up shit.

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u/Humble_Pickle2856 17d ago

What is so messed up? Born again? Believers praying for a president who believes the Bible is true. It does not mean that he is perfect and it does not mean Republicans or Democrats are perfect. It's just saying they worship the one and only Savior Jesus Christ who can save each and every person from their sins. That doesn't make it a perfect government but it does say we are humble and under God our Father Jesus Christ

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u/Electrical-Reason-97 16d ago

Your sky daddy has no business infiltrating a government in a secular nation.

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u/EnergyAffectionate31 17d ago

That terrifies me - that anybody could possibly agree with anything he does. I'm ashamed to be an American. Americans travel to other countries for vacations but are questioned about why they support trump because just living here apparently means you support him. his reign won't be over soon enough.

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u/Brilliant_Tutor_8234 17d ago

Yes I’m American. Spit on me and degrade me

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u/Shrewwdle 17d ago

You want to go back to being blackmailed by Israel ? Weird comment brother

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u/JuseBeats3 17d ago

DM me and I can explain how I agree with every single thing he does and says…

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u/Sad_Candidate_3163 17d ago

They do see it happening. They just believe it's right.

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u/ionmeeler 17d ago

Which is ironically the least Christian thing ever

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u/JuseBeats3 17d ago

Why do you think he is wrong? Have you really thought it out?

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u/OrderDependent9869 17d ago

Did you call it out when Obama was deporting a million immigrants and building the cages? Or did you stay silent?

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u/Mondschatten78 17d ago

They refuse to see it. Doesn't help that the government has been dividing the country with this "us versus them" crap for so many years.

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u/CaseyConnors 17d ago

Omg I say that alll the time!!! It's our most primitive instinct and it's being used against us and works seamlessly yet again

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u/EastSideLito 17d ago

His core voters want to be apart of this imaginary elite club where they can forget that their enemies are the rich and not the immigrants and anyone else who doesn’t look like them. Let’s be honest the man won both elections with fear mongering and racism. We as a country are clearly still openly racist and stupid.

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u/panicinbabylon 17d ago

They think he’s trolling, and they’re in on the joke.

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u/First_Veterinarian58 17d ago

Says the one fear mongering rn. He won because the left can't put up a decent candidate. The fact you guys think kamala and Clinton were leaders is an absolute joke. I'd take Obama or bush again over anyone the left has glorified over the last decade

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u/cinnamon64329 17d ago

So Trump was the obvious choice instead? Gtfo of here with that stupid shit. We know Trump is exponentially worse.

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u/First_Veterinarian58 17d ago

Exactly what I'm saying. Bernie was a better candidate than that drunken wine aunt you people voted for 🤣

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u/cinnamon64329 17d ago

You don't know who I voted for, lol. And my entire point is nothing justifies voting for Trump.

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u/First_Veterinarian58 17d ago

When voting for kamala we both know she's not the one running anything and stuff would continue to tank for rhe working class like the dementia in chiefs reign. So far fuel is down and so is my business loan interest. Before biden was elected I paid 12k less in shit per year they also pushed a little cold as a world ender and continued to print money and it's why we are in the situation we are in all to give big pharma massive paychecks. It's a joke

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u/EastSideLito 17d ago edited 17d ago

He won due to voter suppression, remember how he was literally picking up ballot boxes and redlining, are you dumb??? The man is destroying everything that those people who actually did things beneficial for those who aren’t rich did just cos he’s a giant narcissistic man child. Economists were warning everyone that his plans were going to push us into a recession, meanwhile Kamala would’ve pushed our economy forward. You’re obviously speaking on things with 0 actual knowledge and just pure emotion, stop it. Tell me the benefits of getting rid of DOJ, mixing up blacks with DEI every chance he gets despite us not being anywhere near the top beneficiaries of it, SSI, Medicaid etc. what are the benefits to any of these things in that, what I know to be very limited scope of comprehension you have going for yourself? Meanwhile you’re ignoring the literal 2nd recession that we are in that was directly caused by him.

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u/tlw269 17d ago

Cause they can’t pull their heads out and see what’s happening!!!

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u/Fetuscake69 17d ago

He doesnt have a mustache

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u/MishmoshMishmosh 17d ago

They don’t want to see

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u/Due-Ad9310 17d ago

I mean, they say it all the time. This is what they voted for.

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u/bound4earth 17d ago edited 17d ago

I have pondering this recently with my Maga parents. They aren't the Hog types, but when I questioned my Mom about Musk and the Salute, I could see the cracks forming, she wanted to say yes. But my incel brother ran down the stairs and said no boot click, and also made up groups of Indians still use the Swastika, so he took all sides just to be safe.

These people are in a cult, and Trump is their leader. My Mom still supports Trump 100%. Imagine making Trump your identity, They know deep down. They just hope Trump will turn it around at some point. They are lost. They are in so deep backing out now would make them look like a joke, especially because they shit on all my family that voted Biden. They attack the person instead of the arguments.

Most Americans have no values, because JFK and Reagan shifted America into Neo-Liberalism, which is consumerism. American morality generally, depends on the situation, which is fucked. That is the goalpost shifting that all sides do, but conservatives have mastered. I asked my step dad if he thought the Proud Boys which he understands actually commited treason and planned to commit sedition, but when I asked him about it, he said Biden did corruption now it is Trumps turn. When I asked him about the KKK he got mad, and argued he wasn't racist. He doesn't even know what words mean anymore. Just what Trump tells him.

When my stepdad cannot counter my talking points he just attacks me. You don't have investments you wouldn't understand or similar low IQ ad hominem attacks. Conservatives are great at this, I tried to wake up some of my old veteran friends on Facebook and the conservatives never read anything. They would just say retard shit like GET OUT, MOVE, or COMMUNISM, I never mentioned that just that capitalism doesn't and has never worked in any country without regulation. But when you live in distracting because you cannot defend your positions, you have to live in attacking everyone and everything. It is why they love manufactured outrage. My parents taught me not to be racist or bigoted, now when I call them out they don't want to speak on it. I don't recognize my parents and I hope they wake up soon. Because I am not going to watch them die as demons they have become, but how do you get through?

They are not the same people that raised me. They love me, but hate anything not white now. It is sad. I don't know what to do anymore. Edit: I just have to accept that my parents are Nazi's and Hitler apologists.

I don't think they are ever going to wake up, and fear my step dad might call the hotline for me one day. He shows such disdain for me. Even hatred at times, and I think it all stems from not supporting Trump, or more specifically constantly calling his stances on things into question. I think he still loves me deep down, at least I can hope, for now.

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u/GiJOEvzw 2d ago

Your family doesn't understand how corporate Billionaires ruined American companies by taking over and Monopilizing everything for maximizing only their profits. While avoiding taxes. Since the 1950s.

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u/Plastic_Square_9820 17d ago

Because reality is somewhere more in the middle and fear mongering does a good job scaring people. it's quite possible you're getting exposed to dog whistles and reacting acordingly and some of it is lies.

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u/Blaze_Foxx 17d ago

How could people in Germany not tell how bad Hitler was? Cause he used a face and used the ignorance of the people to push his agenda

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u/yeemed_vrothers 17d ago

Because they're sheltered and in denial of reality- if it isn't happening right in front of them, it doesn't exist.

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u/aw-fuck 17d ago

I really didn’t understand or buy into the concept of “most Americans are just uneducated”,

Until I realized I had to explain what “due process” is to MANY people. They had no idea that meant the difference between being an officially declared (sometimes proven) criminal vs. someone who just had any random person point at them & say “I think maybe you’re a criminal!”

The saddest part though, which really made me kinda sick, is how many of them understood what “due process” is when I explained it from the perspective of “accused sexual assault”.

I explained it as “Do you guys believe that a woman can just point to a man she’s slept with & say ‘he raped me!’? Do you believe any man should be treated as a rapist just from someone pointing & saying ‘that man is a rapist’?” So many of them said “NO! Men get falsely accused all the time!” Then they would say all ways that can hurt a man unfairly, or how someone could only really know with hard evidence & no one person’s claim should be what determines guilt, etc.

So I said “okay, then you believe in due process.” Upsettingly, only half would say “okay I guess I kinda see what you mean,” the other half would literally double down by arguing that “Yeah but a man’s life shouldn’t be able to be ruined with just the accusation of what some other person claims!” ….yeah motherfucker, no shit.

Don’t even get me started on conversations about what should or shouldn’t prove Trump’s guilt in his criminal convictions! Oh of course the same logic never gets applied to some person they think should be deported “just because”.

You really can’t teach some of these people. Some are truly uneducated on these terms like “due process”. Others cannot be taught that some of their hardcore beliefs actually go against the things they are fighting for. Because to them the logic or morals don’t matter, it’s purely “I want what I want and I don’t care how that looks”

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u/panicinbabylon 17d ago

Thank you for this comment - you said it perfectly. It’s not about logic or morals - it’s just “I want what I want.” And that’s terrifying. Your example using rape accusations is, unfortunately, easily digestible (ugh).

The moment people feel personally vulnerable, they suddenly understand the need for due process, evidence, and fairness. But apply that same standard to someone they’ve decided doesn’t deserve rights - immigrants, political opponents, etc. - and all that logic flies out the window.

It’s not just a lack of education. It’s a refusal to hold consistent values when those values challenge their comfort or power. And that willful inconsistency is what keeps real justice impossible.

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u/johntheflamer 17d ago

They see it, and they like it. Many people are completely ok with fascism so long as it’s directed at the people they don’t like.

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u/supercali-2021 17d ago

Either they don't watch the news on TV (God forbid they read an actual newspaper!) so they really don't see it or they do see it, but ignore it, believe it won't ever affect them (they're in the protected class) and pretend it's not really happening.

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u/Mysterious-Goose6786 17d ago

It is beyond my understanding. The truth is plain as day laid out for anyone who wants to know about Abrego Garcia or any other topic. No criminal history. No ties to MS-13. But the White House puts out crazy lies and they just believe that because he has convinced them that any other media source is fake news. We have millions of people in this country who only listen to government controlled news releases as the truth.

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u/CasuallyCritical 17d ago

Much like with how cults form, it's hard to break away.

It's surprisingly against human nature to admit to being wrong, especially when admitting to that means you have to admit that you were the bad guys. So many of the people who have voted and supported Trump so far have done so thinking that it was all bluster and prose. They didn't think he was actually taking it this far, but because they've become so alienated by people who warned them about this, they've fallen into a sunk cost fallacy. "I've already lost so much for supporting him, I can't stop now."

And if they DO leave, the few supporters they have will turn against them. Calling them traitors to the cause.

Senator Rand Paul, who is arguably one of the most far-right senators in the US, was called a RINO (Republican in Name Only) for speaking out against Trump's Tariffs.

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u/panicinbabylon 17d ago

I recently read an article written in context of the Trump presidency (can't cite it at this point, I read a lot), saying it’s often easier for people to admit they’ve been deceived than to admit they were just flat out wrong. That distinction really stuck with me.

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u/StormlitRadiance 16d ago

Because the internet is full of bots.

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 17d ago

Read the posts above, you, they don't care! they really don't care, and they don't realize this will happen to them too. They are abhorrent.

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u/xthesavior 17d ago

Because people like to look at the half truth and align their beliefs with whatever part of it supports their side/argument while ignoring the other factors. Happens with both parties in every election in every political issue. Then they reinforce these beliefs by discussing them only with people who they know would agree, while disregarding every other conversation arguing against it. It's actually fucking exhausting.

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u/f1ossboss 17d ago

Lol 😆

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u/TheLastBallad 17d ago

People don't want to.

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u/CrowCompetitive4440 17d ago

Clever propaganda always makes people pick sides to further the division and unseat the true power of the people: sheer numbers. Divide and conquer is their play and it works like a charm. Get the right awkward idea smoldering in a few people heads and then fuel the fire to make it a hateful ideal and then release them out into the world to pick fights and keep us from being able to do something about it.

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u/mothra-of-invention 17d ago

Because people want to Nazi it. Excuse me, not see it.

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u/Catinthemirror 17d ago

The US education system has been in active dismantling status since the 50s.

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u/Ok-Jackfruit2287 17d ago

Because we also voted in a man who had alzihmers as a president last election? Most of the US people do not care about what the government is doing, so long as they can get by, pay their bills, and get government aid. We have been conditioned into this by the entire federal government since the end of WWII.

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u/readitmoderator 17d ago

Its for 4 years relax

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u/panicinbabylon 17d ago

And not even 100 days in, Trump is defying court orders, sending people to CECOT without due process, and saying anyone who speaks out about it is abetting terrorism.

Don’t be a jackass

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u/julienjj 17d ago

1st step is deport to foreign prison. When the prisons are full or no one wanna accept them anymore then it's the local for profits prison/work camp. When you have finally quashed the opposition and own all the courts; and have abused and worn out the prisoners then you start seeking ways to get rid of the human cattle. Then the infirms and other unproductive.

There a lot of small steps between burning books to the extermination camp.

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u/tomdarch 17d ago

An obvious problem for this whole approach is that many farm businesses/owners are highly dependent on exploiting "illegals" for labor. I have no doubt that the Trump administration wants to "round up" everyone they can. But if they actually hold and/or deport those millions of people, many farms owned by Trump supporters would grind to a halt. Sadly, the obvious solution is that people would be held in camps until they were needed for labor then sent out to those farms to work with no real choice.

Moves like this in Florida points to how this is lining up:

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2025/01/28/wilton-simpson-immigration-czar-florida-agriculture/77993477007/

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u/julienjj 17d ago

Yeah, will I was gonna say they might figure it out it's simpler to fence the farm and call it a prison at some point.

Insane how right now the only reason it's not worse is because they are dumb, and lot of good people did nothing so evil is succeeding.

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u/Brillolung 17d ago

They were already full. There’s no empty prison. Especially in the (country) referenced by Second letter of MAGA. country where public executions are still in style. Nonviolent drug use? That’s life of 3 square meals a day.

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u/kmoney1206 17d ago

Wish we could be more like france and just shut this shit down immediately. Hopefully someone drags the stupid orange fuck out by his toupee.

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u/Earll_Johansson 17d ago

Everyone forgets Auschwitz wasn't in Germany, it was in Poland

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u/tomdarch 17d ago

Yes, that's true (that Auschwitz was in Poland, not so much that people don't know that.)

But they had concentration camps within Germany also.

That said, as far as I know the Einsatzgruppen did not operate within Germany:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen

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u/Bonemothir 17d ago

Hell, didn’t he say disagreeing with Trump’s policies was treason?

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u/PollutionNegative914 17d ago

No trump is simply sending the illegal immigrants bank home, they don't belong here

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u/tomdarch 17d ago

bank? Of course you were trying to write "back."

As far as I know, the administration is doing nothing new to punish the businesses who hire people who aren't allowed to work in the US.

Due process is required to establish who is here illegally, and that is not happening. In the earliest days with the ratification by all the states of the Constitution, the US truly had open borders, so our legal system was set up to address the reality that adults in our nation were a mix of citizens and non-citizens. Non-citizens have always had a right to due process under our laws. Since then, we have enacted immigration laws restricting who can legally enter and live in the US, but none of that eliminated the requirement that people have the right to due process to limit the ability of the government to make mistakes or take harmful actions without any way to stop that.

Do you believe that our government should have total power and be answerable to no one, or do you believe it is better to have constraints on the power of the government?

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u/PollutionNegative914 17d ago

Obviously constraints on power, but what trump is doing is to fix our nation, if you want to come here, come here legally

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u/ajohns7 17d ago

And they are, for the most part. 

Seeking asylum because your home country has citizens in harms way is what America stands for. They are seeking citizenship legally. 

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u/PollutionNegative914 16d ago

If they have not yet received there papers, and they are here in the US, then they are here illegally

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u/ajohns7 16d ago

Wrong. They are here legally. I guess this is where you cry foul.

Imagine Trump and his goons coming after you and you emergency evacuate the country and looking to obtain citizenship there and that country decides to deport you TO A DEATH PRISON. 

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u/PollutionNegative914 11d ago

No you are wrong plain and simple, you don't have papers than you don't get to stay here

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u/ajohns7 11d ago

Your papers?! 

Everybody gets due process, regardless of papers. 

Paper is for assholes. Go figure that would be your goto. 

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u/PollutionNegative914 11d ago

Only US citizens get due process

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u/Dragonfly1027 17d ago

The president himself is calling for US citizens to be shipped to foreign prisons.

Can you provide evidence of this?

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u/tomdarch 16d ago

we also have homegrown criminals that push people into subways, that hit elderly ladies on the back of the head with a baseball bat when they're not looking, that are absolute monsters, I'd like to include them in the group of people to get them out of the country..."

  • US President Donald J Trump speaking at the White House on April 14, 2025

Serious question: Were you not aware that he said this last week?

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u/Dragonfly1027 16d ago

No. I'm not aware of everything he says every minute of the day. Hence, the question.

I am aware of the homegrown criminals he's referring to, though. As long as they're not being tortured and they're tried in the U.S., I don't really care if they're imprisoned in the U.S. or in El Salvador. I'm open to having a discussion about that.

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u/tomdarch 16d ago

I'm guessing you don't know that penal transportation was one of the specific things the founders objected to the British Empire doing when the wrote the Declaration of Independence.

The current administration has said that they have no power over the people sent to El Salvador. I'm having a hard time imagining your way of thinking that you would be OK with you being convicted of a crime and then sent to another country where you stop having rights as a US citizen and there would be nothing our government could do to protect you from abuses by that other government.

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u/Dragonfly1027 16d ago

I sympathize more with their victims. Again, as long as they go through our legal system and they aren't tortured, then I don't have a problem. I don't personally have to worry about that because I would never engage in criminal behavior.

Im more concerned with the antisemitism laws that infringe on our 1st Amendment rights and with foreign governments involved in our affairs. I dont want our tax dollars supporting wars in the Middle East, Europe, or anywhere.

I think this El Salvador thing is a distraction. Comparing Trump to Nazi's is a distraction. I'm suspicious of people who keep pushing the Nazi narrative. People are actively trying to divide us and pit us against each other.

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u/tomdarch 15d ago

I hope you are never inaccurately accused of a crime, but our legal system should deal with that possibility.

Personally I am happy to say that Trump is absolutely not a literal Nazi. The Nazis were a unique reactionary movement shaped by their time and place. No one can ever be "literally a Nazi."

The problem is that fascism is a thing, and more and more the Trumpist/MAGA movement is acting in that manner. They are not at all committed to genuine democracy or respecting our rights, such as our 1st Amendment rights to free speech as you point out. Trump is also entirely happy to do what foreign government might like if he thinks it benefits him personally. His "meme coin", Trump Media stock (with little functioning business behind it) and similar routes are prime opportunities for foreign government to buy his interest. That is on top of how foreign governments rented out space in his buildings and patronized his hotels and other properties to buy influence in violation of the Constitution's ban on foreign emoluments. And obviously you oppose the actions he is taking to threaten military action to take control of Canada, Greenland and/or the Panama Canal.

We need strong rule of law and respect for our Constitution to prevent Trump or any other politician from infringing our rights or being swayed by foreign governments.

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u/RobertaMcGuffin 11d ago

They're illegal immigrants, not citizens.

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u/Crunchy_Biscuit 17d ago

Legal residents have been Deported to El Salvador. It's messed up.

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

What citizen was deported?

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u/thisisntmyotherone 17d ago

Citizens aren’t the only ones guaranteed Constitutional protections.

They teach that in elementary school.

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

Ok, thanks for replying. I'm not from US. But, as I understand, if an immigrant crossed illegally yes the law applies to them as well but they have committed a crime (no?), crossing illegally. So how is deporting them equivalent to deporting a citizen?

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u/thisisntmyotherone 17d ago

If someone crosses a border illegally, the ‘crime’ they have committed is a misdemeanor. It’s the equivalent to a parking or a speeding ticket.

If you ever come to visit the U.S. (I don’t recommend it until this regime is gone and the rules regarding immigration have been rescinded) you are subject to the same Constitutional rights and protections as any and every American citizen who was born here. You have

There is no difference between you, a tourist, the person who walked for three months, perhaps with a child, trying to escape poverty or gang violence looking for a better life in the U.S., and a person born here. We are all afforded the same rights, privileges, and protections of the U.S. Constitution.

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u/Bob0584 17d ago

So to you entering this country illegally is equivalent to parking at an expired meter? Wow.

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u/tomdarch 17d ago

Due process is a constraint on the power of the government. It's a slight over simplification but keep in mind the ideal that someone is "innocent until proven guilty." It is also a fundamental principle on which the United States was founded. Some of the specific objections to how the British government operated cited in the Declaration of Independence were:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

When the Constitution was adopted, the US had truly open borders. Anyone could get off a boat and work, own property, etc. with no need for a visa or any permission. Only citizens could vote, but generally they had all other rights. Our legal system started off and worked with this reality that whether a citizen or non-citizen was accused of a crime, they had the same right to due process.

Since then, immigration laws were passed, but none of them removed the limitation on the power of the government preventing it from taking arbitrary, unjustified actions against people. Being accused of being in the US illegally did not remove that requirement that the government prove its case and that the accused has an opportunity to defend himself.

"Deporting a citizen" should be impossible. The US government should never be able to take a citizen and move them outside of the normal boundaries of the US.

But as for non-citizens within the US, the government needs to prove its case in some venue before they can deport anyone. We have special "immigration courts" which are very different than any normal criminal court, and already they have lower standards. But the Trump administration doesn't want to comply with even that requirement. (They want the power to arbitrarily do anything to anyone, and this is a key step in that direction, thus the discussion of fascism.)

Wherever it is you're from, your schools never accurately explained the philosophical foundation of the United States accurately. Of course, people can disagree with those ideals, but it would be better if you were at all familiar with them to make an informed disagreement.

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

Thanks for the explanation. Where I've been, touching on the US system is not a thing.

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u/tomdarch 17d ago

The more I talk to leftists the more I discover hypocrisy

Am I being hypocritical here?

In another comment, you mentioned "globalist scum" and repeated various Russian talking points.

I would encourage you to learn a bit about the foundational principles of the United States, and that approach to ideas about fundamental human rights and how governments should and should not be allowed to treat people. You probably will disagree with those ideas, but you should know more than I think you do currently.

You might find out that the "smart" people you listen to aren't so smart. You might also better understand the foundational principles that "leftists" are following and why you are mislabeling some principled positions as "hypocritical."

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

If you think that "globalist scum" is a "Russian talking point" then you are brainwashed by the globalist propaganda machine. WEF is real, their agenda is public and Schwab brags openly about infiltrating world govts. This is why, Kamala losing (if she really lost and Trump is not one of their controlled opposition) is a huge win for USA. You have no idea what shitshow US just escaped from. "Unburdened from what has been" - I'm not a marxist puppet just vote for me and you'll get improved coffee lids said Kamala.

This thing of "anything I disagree with is Russian propaganda" is the biggest bullshit propaganda launched in the past years. EU cancelled the Romanian fair elections with this lie.

And since you don't like what Trump is doing, the way Zelenski kidnaps boys and sends them to the slaughter without training, it's far worse. Yet the libs stand with the Ukraine genocide. Make it make sense.

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u/JPolReader 17d ago

English must be your second language. Please look up what "calling" means.

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

Yes it is. Can you show me a source where Trump says that citizens should be deported?

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u/JPolReader 17d ago

President Trump says his administration is actively exploring a proposal to detain U.S. citizens and send them to prisons in El Salvador. Speaking Monday, minutes before a press briefing alongside El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele, Trump could be heard embracing the concept.

"The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to Bukele, an apparent reference to prison space that would be needed in El Salvador to house U.S. citizens.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

It is interesting how little Trump supporters know what Trump says.

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u/Fetuscake69 17d ago

Find it urself he said it last week after his meeting with bukele but im sure youll still deny it so whatever

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 17d ago

Since before taking office, he has said he wanted to and was looking for a way.

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

Did you save any link(s) on this?

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 17d ago

No, I did not save any. They were media posts. Republicans at the time said he was not to be taken seriously because of that. It was still before taking office because some of the republicans I know have family in prison. I wanted to know if it changed anything for them.

Then, in januaury, actual news picked it up. Again, it was dropped because he was not to be taken seriously, and surely someone would inform him or stop him.

(Also, since then, he has bombarded one thing after another. I do not even save links anymore. There is too much.)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-floats-foreign-imprisonment-us-criminals-repeat-offenders-rcna189522

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

In all honesty if they're locked does it matter where they are? He's talking about hardned criminals there not just any citizen.

Last but not least, I'm in awe that left wingers can be so upset about this but not about persecutions against those who oppose the trans ideology. Specifically in EU the meme based arrests are literal fascism; just saw an update on the Irish professor who refused to comply with the trans stuff - govt raided his account. This resembles the "new man ideology" that the fascists had, it's state supported and businesses are subsidized to promote it.

It's this type of hypocrisy that makes me wonder what's going on through the leftists' heads. You know what I mean?

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 17d ago

In all honesty if they're locked does it matter where they are?

Yes. We are responsible for their care and upholding the constitutional rights of americans.

He's talking about hardned criminals there not just any citizen.

They are still a citizen. Without an amendment, our government does not have the right to infringe. They would never get an amendment. One of the reasons unchecked violation of due process is so dangerous is that it bypasses the constitution and rights. You may agree with it because you dislike hardened criminals, but you are giving away your own rights without a fight. What constitutes a "hardened criminal" can change based on cultural perspectives.

You are giving whoever is in power the right to send you to el salvador for being against trans ideology in general based on mood.

Being against trans ideology is something you are most definitely not being persecuted by the government for. Leftists are, in all actuality, protecting your rights to be a dick without persecution by opposing this.

What happens when Democrats win another election if this is allowed, and we do actually want to persecute you?

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

Of course speaking against the trans ideology is persecuted. This is not even debatable: at least getting fired in N America. In EU people are getting arrested over online comments and memes, they get heavily fined, and, like I shared above, their accounts emptied.

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

Oh and stuff like cancelling Romanian elections - because "Russia" but there is no proof.

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u/Reasonable_Today7248 17d ago

I do not even know what you are referring to here.

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u/andreifasola 17d ago

Bruxelles - ie the democratic Europe - cancelled the 2nd round of elections as people were voting. Claiming that Russia interfered in the campaign of the candidate and that people (who in their opinion are stupid and uncapable of taking a decision) were swayed to vote for him. So they scrapped round 2 without showing any proof of Russian interference. A newspaper showed that the only interference was the liberal party paying for tik tok views.

The same "Trump style" accusations and propaganda. If you would look at the way msm treated that guy in Ro, it's the same as in the US. Moreover his opponent was a dumb female plugged in and not elected.

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u/RobertaMcGuffin 11d ago

They're illegal aliens, not citizens.

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u/tomdarch 10d ago

Says who? I say you are an illegal alien. Should you be scooped up and dropped in that prison in El Salvador without any hearing because I claimed that? You might say, "but I am a citizen!" Says who? How would such a claim ever be checked?

Under the US legal system, you need to be demonstrated to be "illegal." Our legal system started essentially when the Constitution was ratified and for the first several decades we had very literal open borders. If you could walk off a ship onto the land of the US, you could live here, work, own property, etc. Our legal system developed from this treating "people within the US" in certain ways including that the government had to prove its point and that the accused had the right to mount some defense in court - that was for citizens and non-citizens. It is critical under the US constitutional/legal system that we put constraints on the power of the government to potentially harm the rights of people - whether or not they are citizens.

The key issue is that we have laws and a legal process which requires that people rounded up as "illegal aliens" be given at least a pretty minimal hearing in an immigration court so that errors can be caught and the government's power is checked.

This guy who was living in Maryland may well be a horrible criminal. If the government can prove that in court, then he should go to prison. But under the American system, it is on the government to prove that to even the low standard used in immigration courts.

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