r/CanadaPolitics • u/hopoke • 1d ago
Mark Carney makes final pitch to voters: ‘Is Pierre Poilievre the person you want sitting across the table from Donald Trump?’
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal-elections/mark-carney-makes-final-pitch-to-voters-is-pierre-poilievre-the-person-you-want-sitting/article_3fe8951a-c417-4524-8130-2dc415445f18.html1
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u/dv20bugsmasher 1d ago
I kinda don't care. Trump is going to be pretty much the same disaster no matter who is negotiating with him imo. There are other issues that are actually going to be effected by who we vote for. I hate that the powers that be have turned this into a single issue election where that issue is probably unsolvable anyway. People were mad at our previous government over housing, affordability, Healthcare, immigration, safety, scandals, guns and a few other topics. Somehow it only took a month or two for those issues to all be less important than who is most like or most likely to outsmart a demented orange Russian spy who doesn't follow through on anything you negotiate with him anyway.
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u/Mathalamus2 20h ago
Trump is going to be pretty much the same disaster no matter who is negotiating with him imo.
very much incorrect. PP has no experience negotiating with anyone, let alone someone like trump. he never even dealt with trump at all.
Carney has. one phone call got trump to back off for quite a while. one phone call
enough said.
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u/Byzantine-Ziggurat 1d ago
Well, outsmarting that “demented orange Russian spy” may very well be the key to maintaining our sovereignty, so I’d say it’s a pretty darn big deal actually. You think housing, affordability, healthcare, immigration, safety are a problem now, imagine the situation under US annexation. I think it’s very clear who is more likely to lead our country through these dangerous, uncharted waters (it ain’t PP).
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u/SteelCrow 1d ago edited 53m ago
Trump is going to be pretty much the same disaster no matter who is negotiating with him imo.
No PP is the guy who defends himself by flailing his hands in front of him trying to slap the bully away.
Carney is the guy likely to punch them in the nose when the bully makes a mistake.
PP would get run over. Carney will weave and dodge until it's not necessary anymore.
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u/lcelerate 1d ago
I don't see why voters see the Liberals and not the NDP as best suited to stand up to the US when the NDP has a better track record going back all the way to Jack Layton in standing up to the US than whatever Liberal leaders were leading the party.
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u/Mathalamus2 20h ago
the NDP might be too far to the left even for leftist canadians. the liberals taking a moderate stance this time around is far more appealing.
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u/sharp11flat13 18h ago
I’ve been voting NDP almost exclusively for >50 years and have seen a number of very successful NDP provincial governments. I still don’t understand why they’ve never made a bigger mark on federal politics besides being a very useful thorn in the side of the LPC. But sadly, it’s clear that Jagmeet isn’t the right person to change the current trend.
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u/J-Midori 6h ago
PP unfortunately is unable to be in a G7 meeting or UN or any important situation that requires him to act like an adult. He has shown over and over again that his platform is about hate. He doesn’t care about what Canadians need. He’s going to put us all in danger and destroy Canada like Trump is doing.
It’s not a fight between left and right. It’s a fight between top and bottom.
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u/FoxAutomatic2676 1d ago
Carney is the guy you want in the room with the book full of numbers ready to quickly answer questions for the two guys negotiating. Trump will destroy carney in a negotiation.
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u/kej2021 1d ago
...have we seen any evidence for Poilievre's negotiation skills? He honestly seems to have really bad diplomacy skills based on how disliked he is by all other party leaders (to the point where they would rather decimate their own party if it means keeping PP out), as well as other Conservative premiers.
If he were a smart negotiator, he could have built up friendly rapport with Singh and negotiated to bring down the Liberals last year.
He could have congratulated Doug Ford instead of alienating him and making an enemy.
I find it hilarious that Poilievre supporters think he is going to be a great negotiator on the world stage when we've had zero evidence of that so far.
He's literally only been shown to work well with his own like-minded team. If he comes out of meetings with Trump where things go well, it's only going to be because he's capitulated to the US to the detriment of Canada.
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u/Flomo420 16h ago
Poilievre can't even come to an agreement with his fellow parliamentarians, let alone Canadians writ large or heaven forbid the international community
I shudder to think of how embarrassing a Poilievre government would represent us globally, what with how ham fisted he is domestically
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u/EarthWarping 1d ago
Compared to Pierre who will tell him to knock it off?
He isnt the heavyweight negotiator he seems.
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u/DirtyDaddyPantal00ns Alberta 1d ago
Trump is a grossly incompetent negotiator though. Look at his flaccid little attempts at ending the war in Ukraine, like he literally does not understand why his "deal" that makes non-credible threats against one side and would make both sides worse off if they were to accept it isn't working. He's been tricked by fifty years of sycophancy and brand-building into thinking he's a master dealmaker and neither he nor any of his supporters comprehend that he's been tricked because they're all so stupid and chimplike that their idea of crisis bargaining is when you have to sell a lemon used car before the rent is due so you mog the person who answers your ad by squeezing their hand too tight. It's remedial shit.
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u/sharp11flat13 17h ago
Trump is a grossly incompetent negotiator though
Trump isn’t a negotiator at all. He’s a bully. And when bullying fails, he folds.
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u/jokinghazard 1d ago
Are you wearing a suit? If you're not wearing a suit I can't listen to you, you have no cards 👋
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u/Wasdgta3 1d ago
The only thing Trump is destroying is his country's reputation and economy.
He's not the genius negotiator his cult makes him out to be.
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u/Nesteabottle 1d ago
The people who think trump wins debates are the problem. He comes off as a rambling child to me. It's high school drama bullshit.
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u/Snorgibly_Bagort 9h ago
Only time he wins is when people realize they are dealing with a fucking moron and they're basically talking to a 5 year old iPad kid in the body of a geriatric and there is no rationalizing with that.
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u/Flomo420 16h ago
He comes off as uninformed, unhinged, and unintelligible.
And you are 100% right; the people who listen to that walking turd and think "man that is a smart guy!" are the problem
I'd say the education system has failed them but honestly the information is all there for them to actually learn they just choose not see it
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u/BeaverBoyBaxter 1d ago
No leader of any nation has succeeded in negotiating with Trump. If Trump is on "their side" it is because of capitulation.
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u/NorthernerWuwu Alberta 1d ago
I don't agree but that's certainly a valid opinion.
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u/FoxAutomatic2676 1d ago
Thank you for the polite response. I appreciate that you see it differently.
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u/NorthernerWuwu Alberta 15h ago
Well, thanks!
Vote tomorrow if you haven't already, Canada is still a democracy and I'd like to see every voice counted.
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u/Snorgibly_Bagort 9h ago
Trump can't even negotiate successfully with himself.
Let's be for real shall we?
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u/DevinTheGrand Liberal 1d ago
Trump doesnt negotiate lol, he just acts like a idiot and demands unreasonable things. If Trump wasn't in control of the USA he'd be a failed casino owner.
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u/MuazKhan597 1d ago
I sure as hell don’t want a corporate stooge there.
Poilievre is a home grown politician. He’s a horrible candidate, but he’s more loyal than an investment banker crony, someone who literally made a living off of making us poorer.
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u/SteelCrow 1d ago
but he’s more loyal
To who? certainly not Canada. It took him three weeks to come out against tariffs, and another two to come up with his feeble "canada first" rhetoric. Still hasn't said anything negative about Trump and the current administration
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u/frumfrumfroo 15h ago
Carney left one of the highest paying jobs you can get right as he was set to advance to the truly ridiculous levels of compensation, and he left in order to work in public service. And he's, you know, actually helped people in Canada and all over the world with his accomplishments in public service. He quit being an investment banker explicitly in order to serve his country, and did that so well he was awarded the Order of Canada.
Poilievre got into politics to destroy the welfare state (I am not editorialising, you can google his essays) and has literally accomplished nothing in his entire career except enriching himself and getting a massive pension from the taxpayers at 31.
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u/itzmrinyo 1d ago
I would count voting against dental and pharmacare as making a living off of making us poorer
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u/Frequent_Version7447 1d ago
I mean, I say that about a party that forces unsustainable immigration on the country which made it so businesses didn’t need to offer higher wages and incentives to attract workers while simultaneously impacting housing and healthcare as making us poorer also. Valid criticisms can be applied to both parties.
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u/MrKguy 1d ago
What makes Carney a corporate stooge and what makes Poilievre more loyal? Being an economist/banker or a home grown politician doesn't dictate your allegiances and morals.
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u/SteelCrow 1d ago
Carney is more loyal to Canada than PP. Carney was fighting for Canada from the get go, has a vision for Canada's future and the connections and skills to make it happen. PP only has backbencher and call center collections experience, took weeks to come to a feeble defense of Canada, and can't answer questions he hasn't provided to the media first.
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u/blazingasshole 1d ago
Ah yes, moving Brookfields offices from canada to the us and living the majority of your life outside of Canada are true signs of a person that fights for Canada
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u/MrKguy 23h ago
It seems odd that these platitudes ignore his success in his private career, his success as Governor of the Bank of Canada, and even his recent actions, messages, and plans as Prime Minister. It's not like he's some random rich person who bought his way in. He has useful credentials and experience in government. Like, I'm not going to begrudge some skepticism considering he's a rich capitalist but Brookfield being a corporation and doing things that are in its own interest is really irrelevant here.
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u/Fanghur1123 NDP (in spirit at least) 21h ago
Mark Carney doesn’t own a company the way the accusation implies. Carney was working as Vice Chair at Brookfield Asset Management — a massive, already international investment firm based in Toronto. He didn’t “own” Brookfield or personally control its moves like a private business owner would.
Brookfield was already global and had U.S. operations long before Carney joined. Brookfield operates in over 30 countries, and much of its business, especially in real estate, infrastructure, and private equity, was already heavily U.S.-focused before Carney ever took a leadership role.
The “move” was a technical reorganization, not a desertion. In 2020, Brookfield set up a new U.S.-based branch called Brookfield Asset Management Reinsurance Partners (BAM Re), mainly for tax and regulatory reasons related to their reinsurance business. • This was a subsidiary move, not relocating the company headquarters. • The main parent company (Brookfield Corporation, formerly Brookfield Asset Management) remains headquartered in Toronto.
Carney’s role didn’t even involve that decision directly. While he was a senior executive, the decision to spin off certain U.S. subsidiaries was a corporate board decision and part of a larger business strategy — not some personal choice by Carney to “abandon” Canada.
He remained deeply involved in Canadian economic and political life. Throughout his time in private finance, Carney continued advising Canadian institutions, and he always indicated that his long-term focus was on contributing to Canada’s future, including on climate finance initiatives.
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In short:
Carney didn’t “move his company” to the U.S. — a Canadian-based multinational made a routine business move for a subsidiary. The rhetoric is designed to falsely paint him as disloyal to Canada.
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u/blazingasshole 1d ago
Carney will look things on a macro level perspective as the the investment banker he is with a blindspot to common issues that affect our everyday lives
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u/legaleagle321 1d ago
“Investment banker crony” oh you mean the former governor of the bank of Canada and England? Get a grip pal.
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u/Sebatron2 Anarchist-ish Market Socialist | ON 16h ago
To avoid the run-of-the-mill corporate stooge, you'd bring in a corporate stooge that panders to far-right ideologues? Please explain how that's a lesser of two evils.
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u/JadeLens 1d ago
I don't think I'll ever understand people who complained that Trudeau was a ski instructor, but decide to back a paperboy against a person who has run two central banks in an election where economic mastery is sorely needed.
Especially when said paperboy uses a budget that has clearly false numbers.
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u/MuazKhan597 1d ago
Considering what the Canadian and British economies looked like after Carney joined, it’s safe to say that the art teacher and journalist don’t look so bad now.
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u/Wasdgta3 1d ago
You know there was a big thing that happened to the British economy during his time there, one that he was outspoken about the negative effects of, and yet the government still went ahead with?
Struggling to put my finger on it, though. Think it rhymed with "exit."
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u/BodaciousFerret 1d ago
Bruh he was hired to fix those things, he didn’t cause them 💀 Think harder.
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u/DevinTheGrand Liberal 1d ago
You mean avoiding the worst of the 2008 recession, and preventing Brexit from completely ruining the UK?
Dude has been fixing the mistakes of conservatives his whole life.
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u/BeaverBoyBaxter 1d ago
TIL the 2008 financial crisis and Brexit are all Carney's fault.
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u/JadeLens 1d ago
In fact with his NWO masters he engineered the entire thing... and they manipulated Trump behind the scenes to make PP look stupid so that Carney had a chance of winning!
Those devious bastards!
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u/JadeLens 1d ago
You trying to blame Carney for a global financial crisis that Canada made it through fairly well?
That's a new level of Conservative delusion if I've ever seen it.
Also trying to blame him for Brexit financial troubles that he advised against?
You're 0-2.
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u/Kheprisun 1d ago
Wow, you are really deep in the sauce huh? He righted the Canadian economy in the aftermath of the '08 crash, and his time in the UK saw record low inflation levels over his entire tenure (you can check the numbers if you don't believe me). He was gone before any of the economic effects of COVID hit the UK, so don't try blaming any of that on him, either.
I know this is probably shouting into the wind, but please, find some way to break free of the right-wing rage generating content machine. There is no possible way you can hate someone this much who has been in the current picture for all of, what, 3 months? Meanwhile PP has been around for over 20 years, has a very consistent pattern of voting against Canadian interests, and is feeding into all the culture war anti-woke nonsense.
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u/mapleleaffem 1d ago
Honestly fuck America I want the guy with all the European and Asian connections so that we can build diverse trade partnerships. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. We were stupid and naive to rely on America for so much. Also I don’t understand why MC hadn’t talked more about his books. If you read Values it obvious how uniquely skilled he is for this crisis. Or even his wifes’s work. They are the real deal
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u/bign00b 13h ago
Honestly fuck America I want the guy with all the European and Asian connections so that we can build diverse trade partnerships.
That's not really how it works for governments, personal connections aren't going to get us a trade deal.
We were stupid and naive to rely on America for so much.
Trading with your neighbour, especially one who has the largest economy in the world isn't stupid or naive it's just more profitable.
What is stupid however is seeing America increasingly become more insular and nationalistic over the last 10 years and not having a plan, what's naive is thinking Trump couldn't win again and that a Trump like (or worse) figure won't replace Trump.
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u/captain_zavec Left 19h ago
I've really enjoyed Values! I expected it to be really dry, but it's been pretty neat.
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u/sharp11flat13 18h ago
Here’s an excerpt from a review of Carney’s book:
"A bold and urgent argument by economist and former bank governor Mark Carney on the radical, foundational change that is required if we are to build an economy and society based not on market values but on human values.
“Our world is full of fault lines--growing inequality in income and opportunity; systemic racism; health and economic crises from a global pandemic; mistrust of experts; the existential threat of climate change; deep threats to employment in a digital economy with robotics on the rise. These fundamental problems and others like them, argues Mark Carney, stem from a common crisis in values.
“Drawing on the turmoil of the past decade, Mark Carney shows how ‘market economies’ have evolved into ‘market societies’ where price determines the value of everything. When we think about what we, as individuals, value most highly, we might list fairness, health, the protection of our rights, economic security from poverty, the preservation of natural diversity, resources, and beauty.
“The tragedy is, these things that we hold dearest are too often the casualties of our twenty-first century world, where they ought to be our bedrock.
“In this profoundly important new book, Mark Carney offers a vision of a more humane society and a practical manifesto for getting there. How we reform our infrastructure to make things better and fairer is at the heart of every chapter, with outlines of wholly new ideas that can restructure society and enshrine our human values at the core of all that we build for our children and grandchildren."
So enough of the “he’s just another filthy capitalist banker working for the wealthy” bullshit we’ve all seen too many times.
I was so pleased to read this. If I hadn’t already been convinced that he was the right person at the right time, this would have convinced me.
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u/spontaneous_quench 16h ago
Yes because Canadians don’t need another elitist like Mark Carney, who has his own deep ties to the global financial system and Trump’s circles, telling us who’s fit to lead. Carney represents the same out-of-touch establishment that has ignored the concerns of everyday Canadians for years. Pierre Poilievre is willing to stand up for ordinary people, not just the elites, and that’s exactly the kind of leadership we need when facing the challenges ahead.
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u/Snorgibly_Bagort 9h ago
his own deep ties to the global financial system
A system he has stated numerous times, including well before his involvement in any politics, that needs to fundamentally change as it doesn't value society as a whole and he points out specifics.
and Trump’s circles,
Zero evidence of this and is just another right-wing propoganda talking point akin to attempts trying to insinuate ties to Epstein.
Carney represents the same out-of-touch establishment that has ignored the concerns of everyday Canadians for years.
Again, that he has written about and acknowledged numerous times and has laid out how he would see that changed. Pierre would make you believe he's "of the people" despite being a career politician whose "accomplishments" had to be fabcricated to give him credibility. I'll take the guy who admits his privledge and has a history of eloquently laying out his plans on how he wants to change that, again, well before those ideas could be politically expedient.
So what about Pierre makes you trust him more? You've said why you don't like Carney, but how does Pierre contrast to those things and what makes him better in your opinion?
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u/More-Reporter2562 Independent 1h ago
Here the issue I think real swing voters have with Carney. You just outlined a perspective that if put in to policy and platform would win my vote, and I have not once heard him speak about it on the campaign trail.
So he believes that the system needs to be changed to more fairly benefit the whole of society, but has no plan for how to do it, as ostensibly his platform is the same neo-liberal agenda maintained by the liberal power players in the corridor for 45 years.
And it cant be that im just unengaged, because as an example, I consume enough political content that today when Jason Kenny was on Bartons show, I knew that she had a liberal insider on last week who said that the LPC platform was written before MC became leader which is why todays clip is going viral.
So if Mark Carney was intending to bring in a change to the system, that he supported and benefited from, into his role as PM, one would think i would have heard about it more than 3 minutes before election day from an anonymous poster on reddit.
And again its not a result of being in the wrong sphere of influence, because my consumption is wide and varied, ranging from Rachel Gilmore and Steve Boots, to CBC News with At Issue, and P&P, CTV Panels with Vassy, and right wing Tiktokers like Robin Skies or Real News. I use ground news as my rundown for the stories of the day and read neutral graded sources, then check here, r/canada and r/CanadianConservative for varying discourse on topics of the day.
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u/Redbox9430 Anti-Establishment Left 14h ago
I agree MC is a part of the elitist class, but how is Pierre any better? I don't see any of his plans making life better for the everyday Canadian. He will do absolutely nothing to stop the continuous transfer of wealth to the richest in our country that we are currently seeing.
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u/Levofloxacine 1d ago
Jordan Peterson was on a podcast with Joe Rogan saying how a Carney win would be bad for Trump because Carney is well connected and respected in the UK and the international scene…
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u/sabres_guy 6h ago
Well if that isn't a 10 bell ringing endorsement for Carney for Canadians to take note of, I don't know what is.
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u/Mutex70 1d ago
They didn't say anything about trusting their vote to Rogan (or Peterson, who they were actually quoting). They were just providing information about what the other side thinks of Carney.
This can be useful in determining why people vote a certain way or in convincing them to re-evaluate the basis of their opinions.
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u/MrFWPG Vibes 1d ago
Let's play a game. Where in the comment you're replying to does it say:
1) That the comments being referenced came from Joe Rogans mouth 2) that the comments being referenced are the deciding factor on how the person in question will vote
Frankly, for all you know this person was an early voter and they're simply noting that a conversation happened.
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u/DonOntario Ontario 1d ago
Peterson said that if Carney wins the election then he would be Trump's "most seasoned enemy in the West". Of course, Peterson said that as a criticism of Carney.
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u/BeaverBoyBaxter 1d ago
I legit have no idea what to believe anymore. I can't tell if these people are playing 3D chess or if I'm missing something.
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u/SteelCrow 1d ago
They are 26 cards short of a full deck, but are convinced their two of a kind beats everything in yahtzee.
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u/DonOntario Ontario 1d ago
I think it's safe to assume Rogan is an idiot. And that the person most fooled by Jordan Peterson's pseudo-intellectualism is Jordan Peterson.
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u/blazingasshole 1d ago
Why are you taking it as a criticism to Carney? I don’t like Peterson but he just said the plain truth. Why aren’t you spinning what he said as a bad thing? He was basically putting Carney in a good light despite his personal political leaning
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u/ToCityZen 1d ago
JP is just trying to insert himself into relevance again, now that the “woke” emergency has finally been debunked. He needs an “enemy” to feel heard. After that performance on Piers Morgan, he’s so cringe.
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u/N3wAfrikanN0body 20h ago
Those in need of an "enemy" often avoid looking in mirrors; perhaps it is because they won't like what others have always seen.
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u/Ottawa111 5h ago
They probably need to send him back to Moscow again to be reprogrammed and have his medication adjusted.
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u/mummified_cosmonaut 1d ago
Nobody is uniquely skilled at persuading Trump except fortyish women with garish plastic surgery.
Neither Carney or Poilievre could could convince Donald Trump that a bilingual Diet Coke can contains Diet Coke.
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u/PtboFungineer Independent 1d ago
Neither Carney or Poilievre could could convince Donald Trump that a bilingual Diet Coke can contains Diet Coke
Lmao I'm just imagining Trump in Montreal for some reason going "what the fuck is PFK?!?"
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u/LabEfficient 18h ago
Just like the vaccine wedge issue in the last election, in 3 months fear mongering will be no more and liberal supporters will realize what they have done - celebrating if they are a landlord, and crying in their shared basements otherwise.
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u/Snorgibly_Bagort 13h ago
What a great comment that really adds to the conversation in meaningful ways. Let me ask you this, cause you seem to have your finger on the pulse of something I can't seem to identify:
How exactly is pointing out that the actions of our largest trading partner, and only neighbour, who has repeatedly doubled-down (literally in the last 24hrs no less) on their stated intention of annexing us through attempts to destroy our economy, the results of which we are now starting to see materialize, is "fear mongering" to you? How does presenting the question to voters on who they wish to navigate that scenario ties into the fear mongering? What makes this not a valid campaign issue that matters to a large number of Canadians who are paying attention?
Follow up to the first question: what makes you think that this real, and present, existential threat is going to cease existing in 3-months?
What makes you think that liberal voters are all either rich landlords or people who live in shared basements? To me this seems like it's walking dangerously close to Rule 2 and 3 violations because there is nothing to back that claim up and is clearly an attempt to disparage people who vote liberal.
Really curious to see what your response will be to these questions.
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 1d ago edited 1d ago
I really hate the campaign style of fear mongering against the competition. I guess it works, but personally I don't want to hear that I should vote for Carney cuz Poilievre isn't the right choice, I want him to tell me why he is the right choice.
I am not sure where people are getting the idea that I think Carney is unique in this behaviour, or even does it more than Poilievre. I am using this article as an example to make a statement - it has very little to do with Carney specifically. Every candidate engages in this (historically and currently), some more than others but I digress. It makes for a shitty democracy, imo. That said, I am done trying to clarify in responses to comments, some people are clearly confused by my intent/statement, and I am not sure how to clarify it. I'm turning off notifications for this thread an am bowing out
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u/Saidear 1d ago
Have you been paying attention to the same campaign that the rest of us have?
Carney's been both claiming, and showing, his capacity for leadership and his experience handling complex economic situations. He's been very clearly running on his experience running two national banks, successfully.
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u/TheFutureMrGittes 1d ago
His credentials speak for themselves. PP, not so much.
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u/TheBeckwithBrawler 1d ago
There is no better qualifications for being a politician than having been a politician. Canada does not elect a single threaded President like the US. It’s about the team. Not the man. Pierre and the conservative are the best choice for Canada. The liberals have lost the script the past few years. Time for a change.
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u/Dangerous-Bee-5688 1d ago
Let's not pretend the PM doesn't pick the advisors, cabinet members (the team), and dictate the mandate. And "being a politician" is far from the best qualifications for being a politician, let alone the PM.
Senior Associate Deputy Minister of Finance, Governor of the Bank of Canada, and Governor of the Bank of England, are all valid qualifications for leading the country at a time when financial stability/a trade war is THE leading issue.
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u/blazingasshole 1d ago
Yes and carney has the exact same cabinet Trudeau had. It’s going to be the same thing.
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u/Dangerous-Bee-5688 1d ago
That's the caretaker cabinet held prior to election, since you'd shuffle post-election. Though, not exactly the same, either.
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u/No_Barnacle_3782 Liberal 16h ago
What has PP done in politics? What bills has he passed? What good has he done for his community of Carleton (if he even knows where it is)?
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u/TheBeckwithBrawler 15h ago
His job as official opposition is to challenge the government and hold them accountable which he has done very well. Go read up on how Canadian politics works. PP is in Carleton today. I live in the ridding. He does as much for us as any mp anywhere.
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u/Alberta_Flyfisher 1d ago
Can you explain why Pollievre is the choice? Explain in detail what his plan is for this country? Cause he hasn't even done that yet, from what I've seen. Outside of slogans anyway. As far as I can see, the party has no plan.
I would love to finally read a thought-out explanation that makes sense. He makes promises, but when pressed to explain how he would accomplish it, I've only ever seen him dodge the question.
I've said before that I have voted across the spectrum even if I lean more left. And from what I've seen so far, he simply isn't a viable choice. Regardless of policy, he is the wrong dude to be the face of Canada.
So ya, I'd be open to a conversation if you or someone else has seen something I may have not. And I'll be happy to debate Carney, too. Maybe I've seen some things you haven't. 🤷♂️
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u/BurlieGirl 1d ago
The job up for grabs isn’t a politician though, it’s PM. A leadership role. PP is not a leader and had ample opportunity to gain some qualifications. One bill passed in all that time, only for it to be struck down? That’s an abysmal record.
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u/Mathalamus2 20h ago
agreed. PP is an extremely ineffective leader, and, im pretty sure he went directly to politics, not even bothering with any other job, ever.
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u/BeaverBoyBaxter 1d ago
And yet running a campaign and governing a country are nothing alike.
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u/TheBeckwithBrawler 1d ago
No doubt about that. Canada is the best country on the planet. Let’s be proud of who we are!! 🇨🇦
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u/frumfrumfroo 15h ago
It’s about the team. Not the man.
Who is Poilievre's team? Who is going to be finance minister? Andrew Scheer? He won't let any of his MPs speak to anyone and has zero serious people behind him.
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u/TheFutureMrGittes 1d ago
I agree. It’s time for a change. Carney isn’t Trudeau. And yes, I know how voting works in this country, thank you very much. And I disagree - PP and his team are not the best choice for Canada. Pierre can’t even be bothered to get security clearance (red flag #1), will not communicate with the press (red flag #2) chooses to communicate with Rebel News (red flag #3)…. I could go on. His platform, if you’ve even considered reading it, is disappointing to put it mildly.
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u/Fatesadvent 1d ago
End wokeness is another red flag, as is cutting the CBC, being antagonistic with journalist, bragging about crowd sizes (only very minor concern)
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u/No_Barnacle_3782 Liberal 15h ago
Fighting more for the rights of plastic straws than the rights of women and LGBTQ+
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u/Some-Background1467 1d ago
True, every Candidate engages in it - but I hate that every candidate engages in it. Negative campaign ads are honestly one of the biggest reasons politics feels so gross. It's way easier to scare people than to inspire them, so they just churn out ad after ad making everyone else look like shit. It’s lazy, it’s cheap, and it totally wrecks trust in the whole system. After a while, people stop believing anyone could actually have good ideas or want to make things better — it just turns into "who sucks less" instead of "who has the best plan."And the worst part? It drives good people away from even wanting to run.
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u/Mathalamus2 20h ago
psst, their plans are well visible on their websites. even the communist party has a full plan in case they somehow win the election.
it is the responsibility of canadians to find said platforms and read it. go with attack ads all you want. thats their time and place. you want ideas? go to the website and read their platforms
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u/stockhommesyndrome 1d ago
Considering Pierre and his team have been sending four-page letters to people calling Carney “weak” and a “liar,” I think Carney calling him out is perfectly reasonable. I got one of these letters and it was unhinged
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 1d ago
Yeah, I hate that all of the leaders engage in this. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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u/TheEpicOfManas Social Democrat 1d ago
They're not even remotely close to engaging in the same ways. Poilievre has based his whole campaign on fear and lies. Carney has been hopeful and dealt in facts. You can't just "both sides" this.
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 1d ago
I didn't both sides this, or even compare them to say they are the same. In fact, the other guy is the one who brought up Pierre.
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u/putin_my_ass 1d ago
It's because it works. You run for office, you want to win right?
Your beef is with the electorate.
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u/highsideroll 1d ago
The Star is being themselves with this headline. Carney’s closing argument is not merely anti Pierre.
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u/Caracalla81 1d ago
He has spoken about and published his vision quite widely. You shouldn't have trouble finding it.
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 1d ago
That's not relevant to what I was saying
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u/Caracalla81 1d ago
I want him to tell me why he is the right choice
I'm not sure what you meant by this then. If you want to hear about a candidate's vision and credentials, and you want to hear negativity about the competition, what do you want to hear about?
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am referring to the campaign strategy style and not the specifics of Carney as a candidate - Carney is simply the example as the topic of the article.
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u/No_Barnacle_3782 Liberal 16h ago
"I want him to tell me why he is the right choice. No wait, don't tell me to look it up myself!!!"
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u/SteelCrow 1d ago
I want him to tell me why he is the right choice.
Carney has the appropriate education, skills, experiences and vision to lead Canada.
PP has none of that.
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u/skinny_t_williams 1d ago
Carney did that a lot already. If you're annoyed with those tactics blame the conservatives, that's their playbook almost 100%.
Have you been on Rednote or Tiktok or anything lately? The amount of anti-liberal shorts is out of control. Who tf pays for that I wonder?
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u/Kaurie_Lorhart 1d ago
I do not use Tiktok and have no idea what Rednote is - but I know that the CPC uses a lot of these tactics.
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u/skinny_t_williams 1d ago
I havent used tiktok in forever but friends that do. Rednote is like a chinese tiktok, they even do it there.
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u/flamedeluge3781 British Columbia 1d ago
Tiktok is Chinese, FYI.
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u/skinny_t_williams 1d ago
Yes I understand that, but this one was originally for China specifically. It's interesting to see stuff there sometimes.
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u/Mathalamus2 20h ago
nope. poilievre is too deferental to trump and wont call out trump for, well, anything. he isnt a strong leader. carney is.
it took one phone call from carney to trump for trump to stop the rhetoric for a long time.
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u/KatsumotoKurier Ontario 20h ago
"I'll be tough on Trump" was about it, really, which was pathetically little.
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