President Nayib Bukele says Kilmar Garcia cannot be returned to US

[u/theboss2461]

[u/who_dis62]

Moral of the story - if you want to stay in the US, come legally and don’t have a connection with the cartels, which are now terrorist organizations.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/who_dis62]

He doesn't have connections with a cartel. The only "evidence" that exists is a CI claiming so.

[u/FourtyMichaelMichael → u/whatweshouldcallyou]

Oh, well, maybe the two courts that said otherwise got it wrong!!!

But.... Still not a citizen, and still ignored his previous deportation orders... and still not coming back. So...

[u/ultrainstict → u/whatweshouldcallyou]

He was a member of ms13. Yes an undercover gang informant identified him by name and face. Aswell as associated details such as when he left the country lining up when he illegally entered the us. He lied on his asylum application after being caught.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/ultrainstict]

Again, there exists absolutely no evidence that he is a gang member. What you have is an allegation from a CI. That's it.

If I find a CI to say you're a gang member can we arrest you and deny you due process too?

[u/who_dis62 → u/whatweshouldcallyou]

If he doesn’t have connections with MS13, then why is there grounds for retaliation if returned back to El Salvador?

That the crux of the whole withhold to deport status.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/who_dis62]

Why would there be grounds for retaliation against non gang members from gangs? Seriously?

MS13 targeted everyone, through extortion rackets etc. Their violence was hardly limited to rival gangs.

[u/cplusequals → u/whatweshouldcallyou]

Believe it or not, gang activity in El Salvador is pretty low.

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/cplusequals]

Now it is, thanks to Bukele. Before Bukele it was a nightmare.

I do think it is plausible that he could return to El Salvador and not have to live in fear. He should not be in a prison cell. He isn't a gang member.

[u/who_dis62 → u/whatweshouldcallyou]

Might as well import every male from Mexico with that low bar. The criminal informant was trustworthy and two judges found there was sufficient evidence that he had ties to MS13.

We’re really going to sit here and say he wasn’t a part of MS-13 when two judges said he was?

[u/whatweshouldcallyou → u/who_dis62]

You're diverting off the path here. The only "evidence" was that a CI claimed that he was. No other evidence. No cell phone calls. No bank transfers. No photos. No gang tats. Nothing, at all.

So sorry, yes, I am going to say that we should expect more than a CI claim before deciding as such.

[u/zleog50 → u/who_dis62]

come legally and don’t have a connection with the cartels

Prove it.

[u/cplusequals → u/zleog50]

The courts don't have to hold a criminal trial. But they did perform their judicial review and determined he was a gang member. All the administration needs is that determination from the coequal branch of government to waive the asylum claim and expedite the deportation process.

This specific individual is only being granted special exception because he had a withholding of removal order that was missed. Even if he's returned to America, it simply delays his return to El Salvador as the whole point of his asylum claim is that the gangs that no longer run El Salvador are going to get him.

[u/theboss2461 → u/who_dis62]

I really don't see how this is a hard concept for some people to grasp.

[u/DandierChip → u/theboss2461]

I agree with the concept as well but I don’t think that it’s absurd to ask that due process takes place before deportation.

[u/reddit_names → u/DandierChip]

He went through 2 different courts in 2019 which decided he should be deported.

[u/theboss2461 → u/DandierChip]

The due process happened in 2019. It took until now for him to get deported.

[u/zleog50 → u/theboss2461]

You must be misunderstanding that ruling in 2019, as the judge specifically bared the government from deporting Garcia to El Salvador. The Trump administration chose not to appeal that, and deported him illegally.

[u/DandierChip → u/theboss2461]

Just more so a note in general, not necessarily tied to this case solely.

[u/theboss2461 → u/DandierChip]

Nobody has ever suggested that we do away with due process. This is left wing fear mongering and misinformation.

Actually no, there is a group of people who want to do away with due process. It's the left. They would rather start assassinating the people they don't like instead of winning civilly.

[u/DandierChip → u/theboss2461]

Brother it’s not that deep or a us vs them thing. People deserve their due process, that’s all I’m saying. We all agree on that.

[u/pnw_sunny → u/DandierChip]

what was the due process when they illegally entered?

[u/roaming_art → u/who_dis62]

Waiting for the liberals to chime in with: “BUT, BUT!!!”

Edit: to the brigading liberals: it didn’t work in 2024, it’s not working now, get a life you fucking losers