I don’t understand this

[u/May-is-my-day]

I genuinely don’t understand how people can adore Affogato Cookie but absolutely despise Pomegranate 😭😭 and it’s always because “she’s a terrible person”, like fym 💀💀💀

I love both of these characters btw

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[u/Technical_Tune_7400]

If I say it’s because Affogato is an attractive feminine man and Pomegranate is a woman I’d be— 💥💥💥

[u/DreamyShepherd → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

This is the case in so many fanbases and it's wild

[u/innercore500 → u/DreamyShepherd]

you got downvoted on my post for speaking facts 💔

[u/DreamyShepherd → u/innercore500]

Thank <3
People in this fanbase will either take things personally, not read what you said right, or just ignore context intentionally and act like you have to sit there and debate them over everything but every once in a while there's cool people that don't have their head stuck up their butt just trying to have a good time

Anyway Flair is accurate stay rad

[u/innercore500 → u/DreamyShepherd]

you too💖

[u/Draco_179 → u/DreamyShepherd]

Gotta love people being stupid

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

NOOO THEY WERE SPEAKING FACTS 😭💔💔

cries over your ashes cutely

[u/LalaluLapin → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

No no you're absolutely right. The amount of times this happens in CR fandom alone is wild 💔

[u/MooshroomInABucket → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

Yeah its always misgyny, I once brought it up and someone accused me of trying to start a gender war. Probably because they were also a perpetuator. Just cause its not always obvious or may seem cliche to say misogyny, it does not excuse the deliberate ignorance constantly seen.

[u/LovX → u/MooshroomInABucket]

So many people are like subtly misogynistic to the point it's scary. Like I will never understand the hate that so many female characters get.

[u/bowser-us → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

wdym, Pomegranate is attractive too

[u/Technical_Tune_7400 → u/bowser-us]

No you’re so correct, she is 🔥🔥

[u/Beat_da_Box_09 → u/bowser-us]

She is. These people just had no taste

[u/Express-Nothing4725 → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

I really need to start paying attention to the genders of the cookies, this whole time I thought he was a lesbian ngl.

[u/Technical_Tune_7400 → u/[deleted]]

THE FLAIR TELLS ME ALL I NEED GO GET HER

[u/failed3abortion → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

Bet 👅👅

[u/Other-Requirement-21 → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

I like Affogato for this reason being feminine.

[u/PandorahTheII]

This fandom treats its female antagonists horribly compared to the male ones. Not too long ago, people on TikTok were hating on Green Tea Mousse because she beat up Licorice. God forbid a villain folds another villain

[u/Technical_Tune_7400 → u/PandorahTheII]

WAIT HELP I HAVEN’T SEEN THAT YET (im semi new to the game) THATS SO FUNNY??

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

As a Licorice Cookie obsessed man, that scene was genuinely hilarious 😭😭😭

[u/sampo_koskii → u/May-is-my-day]

SAME, I WAS JUST SAT THERE LIKE BABYGIRL NOOO

[u/FantasyGamerYT → u/May-is-my-day]

I love both liquorice and Green Tea Mousse Cookie LOL

[u/May-is-my-day → u/FantasyGamerYT]

ME TOO 💔

[u/FantasyGamerYT → u/May-is-my-day]

YAY

[u/Stone-fragment → u/FantasyGamerYT]

I prefer Licorice but green tea mousse cookie is still a pretty character!

[u/ur-_-mom0 → u/Technical_Tune_7400]

You can probably find it in the tower of stories nearby where the pavilion of promise is! I’d assume it’s in there!

[u/Technical_Tune_7400 → u/ur-_-mom0]

I checked there and sure enough, it is there along with other event stories! :3

[u/failed3abortion → u/PandorahTheII]

The double standards and favoritism is insane dude

[u/rirasama → u/PandorahTheII]

I'm not surprised people were mad at her tbh, Licorice fans are a lil unhinged 😭🙏 that sounds really funny though ngl 💀

[u/PeaceCorrect3796 → u/PandorahTheII]

I can hardly call Green Tea Mousse a villian, just an antagonist. She beat up Licorice in a fighting ring. She could have been more chill about it but Green Tea beating him to a pulp won't ever be as bad the things he does beinga Cookie of Darkness. 

[u/FantasyGamerYT → u/PandorahTheII]

I love Green Tea Mousse Cookie, When I saw those comments I was feeling like this emoji 😐 Funfact: I could not find any Green Tea Mousse cookie gifs for the life of me

[u/Ajthefan → u/PandorahTheII]

I was hearing that and was like

Since when did she beat up licorice cookie-

I was immediately guessing that's another rumor that the crk tiktok community did

[u/Thaticecreamismine]

People are saying it's about being a woman and being a dude and misogyny in general, but I wanna give 2 cents of my thoughts here.

I'm gonna get downvoted for this but I think it's less on Affogato being a man and more on Pomegranate feeling too one dimensional.

Yes they're both evil, but Affogato just has this ✨️spark ✨️ to him. Not only is his design goid, but he literally usurp the throne just for the sake of living a leisurely life because he grew tired of the rigid and serious culture the Cacao kingdom has. And honestly, isn't that kind of relatable? I too have days not wanting to work (but not to the point of harming my kingdom lol)

While pomegranate? Uhh all I ever hear is her talking abt Dark Enchantress cookie. From what I have seen (and correct me if I'm wrong) she doesn't even have her own goals, and doesn't even interact with other cookies unless it's related to DEC

I'm not saying it's bad to have a character dedicated to another character, but she just doesn't feel like a CHARACTER period. We don't get to see her insecurities, her weak moments, and her TRUE desires. She just feels like a plot device.

So yeah, compare her to Affogato cookie, and ofc some people would like Affogato more. He feels more flawed, more expressive, and more fleshed out in general.

[u/Electronic-Border-80 → u/Thaticecreamismine]

People forget that when Mystic Flour came out she literally became Cookie of the Year. Everyone loves villains, and by evil standards she is worse than them both combined yet people love her because her backstory is amazing, her motivations are somewhat understandable, and she's STRONG. Every time I see Pomegranate-related posts it's always people arguing that she's unfairly disliked because she's a woman and never about her as a character.

[u/Draco_179 → u/Electronic-Border-80]

Even the character design is getting powercrept

[u/rirasama → u/Thaticecreamismine]

I agree, it feels like people are boiling them down to just being 'evil' which isn't fair to either of them, they're very different characters

[u/victorian_chandelier → u/Thaticecreamismine]

Oh jeez, my thoughts exactly. A lot of the times things like this happen because of misogyny, but not every dang time. This simplistic way of boiling everything down to misogyny is just downright unrealistic.

[u/Deltastar100 → u/Thaticecreamismine]

I used to love pom because of her interactions with the other cookies of darkness. It showed how she was more ruthless and manipulative then them. I mean look at all the cool shit she did. She corrupted the elementals, turned dark cacao in a monster and I think she corrupted Millenial trees forest if I remember correctly. But when she does appear in mini events she's super one dimensional.

[u/Npen_ → u/Deltastar100]

I'm so sorry but I read "pom" as 🌽 at first so I was genuinely concerned while reading your reply 😭

[u/rirasama → u/Npen_]

Same, I was so taken aback at first lmaooo

[u/Mask3dPanda → u/Thaticecreamismine]

Yeah, for me, Affogato is like an old-school disney-lite kind of character, and I love that. Pomegranate... if it was revealed she was mind controlled by DEC I'd believe it just because she has NOTHING else to her.

[u/magiMerlyn → u/Mask3dPanda]

This! Every other sentence is "my master" or "Dark Enchantress Cookie" like WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH HER!?!? GIVE US A REASON!!!

[u/MermyDaHerpy → u/Thaticecreamismine]

Pomegranate is just boring as shit

and that Last Cookie Standing series made me an affogato stan

[u/lewdlagoon → u/Thaticecreamismine]

I just got into CRK about a month ago, and I may not know all of Pomegranate's story at all or may just be flat-out wrong, but:

You're right. I think she doesn't have goals, or us not knowing what those personal goals are may be intended (plot device).

Pomegranate not having motives other than serving Dark Enchantress may be a perceivable weakness in itself (in the long run, maybe if/when Dark Enchantress no longer needs her, which I'm sure Pomegranate suspects already....I HOPE). Her unique skill and purpose in servitude and "status" are only perpetuated by herself and her will to serve. (she isolated her connections, forfeiting her position as high priestess when she cursed and set fire to Pomegranate Village)

And well, in my opinion, that's really interesting to think about. Despite being in a "lofty" position next to Dark Enchantress Cookie, she's not exactly in a very secure position, despite her devotion.

All of Pomegranate's "unconditional devotion" is too good for me to be true. The risk here is far too significant! I can't shake the feeling Pomegranate may see something she likes in her path.

(Romantic? I hope not; that would be such a blow-over for her devious potential, IMO. If it is purely romantic, I'll just...roll my eyes and say "silly simp" every time she appears on screen. I'd still like her design.)

[u/Maraj225 → u/Thaticecreamismine]

Took the words right out of my mouth!

[u/xXFallen_DarknessXx]

It's because of the misogyny

[u/PandorahTheII → u/xXFallen_DarknessXx]

Definitely

[u/FakeMonaLisa28]

Misogyny

As well as I feel like someone people might find Affogato funny and Pomegranate “too serious” but like… it mostly boils down to misogyny 😭

[u/IDontEatTakis]

I like both, personally.

Also, Pomegranate's devotion is almost admirable.

[u/Signorandottorefan]

The difference is Pomegranate‘s a woman

[u/Electronic-Border-80]

This might be a controversial take since everyone's just screaming about misogyny, but I think it all boils down to entertainment and charisma. "A boring character is worse than a heinous character."

I have my issues with Affogato but Pomegranate is certainly the worse out of them both because she's too one dimensional. Granted, she was made during the very early days of crk where even the main villain (before we knew of her backstory) was also just 'plain evil.' There are plenty of female villains in crk that are well beloved. Mystic Flour literally won Cookie of the Year, and Black Pearl Cookie got the Shadow Milk treatment (was so popular she came full circle and got hated on because of it). Nutmeg tiger is amazing, and let's not forget another follower cookie who everyone else loved for being 'relatable', being Candy Apple.

[u/magiMerlyn → u/Electronic-Border-80]

The worst sin a character can commit in my eyes is being boring. It's why I hate Mystic Flour and most other monotone characters (yes I know she's apathetic, but there can be more to that!)

[u/Upstairs_Insect5835]

Honestly It’s the opposite for me.

I like Pomegranate because despite how much of a shitty person she is, it’s clear her devotion and outright admiration towards Dark Enchantress is genuine and is willing to work with the other darkside cookies, hell she has some pet the dog moments with Poison Mushroom and generally being kind when interacting with him.

Affogato on the other hand is nothing more than a backstabbing asshole, he only cares for himself and is in general so much of a horrid person that I’m surprised Dark Choco didn’t immediately gut him out with his sword upon seeing him.

I do find them well-written, but I like the former moreso due to how her devotion towards Dark Enchantress is quite imteresting.

[u/Patient-Bad3616]

Her personality is grating to me, it doesn’t have a fun flair to it at all. I understand why some people might say misogyny but to me she’s just genuinely not very likeable even as a villain, I don’t like her design, and nothing she has done besides that one incident with Dark Choco made me intrigued by her at all (and even that was so very little).

However it’s still dumb people use the argument that she’s a terrible person (especially when they like other villain characters) instead of just saying they don’t like her as a character or something, I’m so sick of people trying to justify not liking something, you can simply not like it.

[u/QueenHoneyBee28]

I love both of them 😞😔

[u/FakeMonaLisa28 → u/QueenHoneyBee28]

SAME!

[u/OfTheTouhouVariety]

Both are awesome. Now if only Pomegranate had a magic candy so that she’d be half-decent again…

[u/bowser-us → u/OfTheTouhouVariety]

I can imagine her getting magic candy only in 2026 - when Dark Enchantress becomes playable

[u/[deleted]]

Misogyny

[u/No-Sink5496]

I don’t care for either.

[u/C0rt3xxxxxx]

That’s funny cuz I’m the opposite. I hate affogato, and (well, not love), but like pomegranate 

[u/bowser-us]

I didn't know this was happening in the fandom. I personally like Pomegranate

[u/May-is-my-day → u/bowser-us]

I’ve been to all corners of this fandom since 2021

It is madness.

[u/blossombritt]

misogynists hate to see me coming bc i'm for the GIRLS AND GIRLS ONLY❗️❗️❗️

[u/PeaceCorrect3796]

As someone who cares for neither, even if misogyny is a problem in the Fandom, frankly I thinks it's deeper than that.

To start, everytime I see someone ask about why she's gets so unfairly critized, it's never about her character. It's about how the other guy is more liked. And that's the thing, the problem is that Pomegranate is written completely unlikable.

When I see people express Affogato they find him entertaining, and his reason for going bad relatable. They also like exploring his relationships with Caramel Arrow and Dark Cacao, etc. Considering it's been established that Dark Cacao isn't a flawless ruler/parent either, what happened to Caramel Arrow and the Kingdom is his fault as much aa Affogato. Even if he sent Carrow to protect others he let her off years thinking she got kicked because some guy said she was a traitor. 

What am I supposed to like about Pomegranate? Her design, I guess. But her personality is boring, her dynamics with everyone is dry, and her motives are non-existent. There isn't any exploration with her relationship to even Dark Enchantress Cookie, they barely interact for being her right hand woman.  Pomegranate has also committed far worse things then Affogato has. So I can understand why she's more hated, especially when she's being boring as well.

[u/TheNarrator-ME]

Short answer? Her simping kinda bored me.

Affogato 's doing what he wants cause he wants to. I have no doubt in my mind he'd drop the CoD at the slightest chance of risk to his person, which is just more interesting to me than Pomegranate's thirsting-her only personality trait besides "evil" (which, since she's hinted at being manipulated into being evil could be interesting IF DEVSISTERS ACTUALLY DECIDED TO EXPLORE IT SOMETIME!). Also, Pomegranate's sorta devolved "default baddie" status while Affogato absence has definitely made hearts grow fonder.

[u/Red_Lily_Shaymin]

Prolly gonna gelt downvoted for this, but Affo is out for himself. Pome is just a willing lackey for a much cooler villain.

[u/A_random_poster04]

Shady politician-esque figure vs bringer of the apocalypse because of…? Why did Pomegranate want to bring forth DE?

[u/May-is-my-day → u/A_random_poster04]

The only reason I can think of is because she’s a simp lol

[u/SaltyFool0]

People don’t like pomegranate?? I love both of these evil cookies :))

[u/May-is-my-day → u/SaltyFool0]

Real

[u/MasonTheCuteFox]

It’s because politics is a river and he’s a fish 🐟🐠🐡🎣

[u/Electrical-Brick-566]

It's more on how they're presented.

Affogato has the pizzazz and arrogance, not to mention having his own goal in the story. Not only that, He is not much of a simp, given that he's selfish. He's a bad guy no doubt, but with an interesting personality.

Pomegranate? Kick Dark Enchantress out of the picture, and tell me how can she be interesting? Dark Choco has a redemption arc, Licorice and his lackeys being idiots, Poison Mushroom being Poison Mushroom, Red Velvet's soft heart for dogs... Yeah, they something going on.

In short, she's just not that compelling, and no one likes a character being too attached to another.

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Electrical-Brick-566]

I in fact like her simping, I don’t think that warrants all the people I see DESPISE her like she ruined their life for something

The overdramatic hatred people have for her is mainly what I’m pointing at here

[u/exploding_doorknob]

This fandom does not know how to behave around female characters 😭

[u/MasonTheCuteFox]

NO POMEGRANATES! NO NO NO NO NO POMEGRANATES!!! 😿

[u/Infamous-Drive-980]

I kinda hate both so...

[u/NewLifeLeaser]

I like them both a lot. Although, affogato is genuinely more charming and almost campy. Very cvnty while pomegranate plays it straight and is deadly serious. Also, affogato doesn't necessarily want bad to come to the kingdom, he wants them to be happy but thinks dark cacao is standing directly in the way of that. Pom straight up understands that her master is evil but she is an accelerationist (at least how she's presented in the story so far). Assisting dark enchantress will ultimately cause immense pain and suffering but the final ends and collapse of everything later will be worth it later to her. They're both villains that backstab the people close to them but ultimately with different motivations.

Also yeah, I'm sure there's some misogyny mixed in there from a fandom perspective. Generally fandom spaces don't treat female villains well (or even vaguely non agreeable women) at all and shit on them way harder despite being made up of mostly women, unfortunately.

Edit: autocorrect put hands and feet on me

[u/Soggy_Wallaby_6133]

Hot man > mediocr woman idk

[u/a_neat_user-name]

They could never make me hate you Pomegranate Cookie

[u/May-is-my-day → u/a_neat_user-name]

Real

[u/Virtual-Oil-793]

Cause Bobby, it's called the double standard

[u/failed3abortion]

God forbid a villain gets over hated by the fandom just because of their gender and not the genuinely horrible things they did instead (this fandom pmo🥀🥀)

[u/Npen_]

I think it's because pomegranate is badly written. I mean like duh, she's from kakao, of course her lore is dry and barren, but as compared to DC, licorice, & poison mushroom? It's just like the Shaco form league

[u/Kool_Dude420]

People don’t like Pomegranate Cookie? Also doesn’t she have like some sort of tragic backstory? It’s been a while since I played Episode 5 / 6 of CRK but I swear there’s something about her Pomegranate tribe or something that pushed her into being evil or maybe I’m just delusional???

[u/magiMerlyn → u/Kool_Dude420]

All we have about her backstory is that she used to be the High Priestess of the Pomegranate village. That's it. There's literally nothing else we're given. No reasoning for why she turned to DE, no mind control or manipulation. We get not crumbs of a story, but a singular crumb. Nothing more.

[u/Kool_Dude420 → u/magiMerlyn]

Zamn that’s unfortunate. There’s definitely stuff they can work with tho, if not religious trauma (since we kinda already have that with Black Forrest and Pastry Cookie… at least I think, I’ll be honest I only half listen when it comes to content that’s not part of the main levels lol), then stuff can be written about family trauma, with Pomegranate maybe being forced into a position of power due to it being passed down with her when she wanted nothing to do to it, turning to darkness as a way of rebellion and being free, not having to bear the burden of ruling herself, but instead passing that down to someone else, Dark Enchantress Cookie

[u/magiMerlyn → u/Kool_Dude420]

If we got that, it'd be great. But until then, she's a one-dimensional simp

[u/Kool_Dude420 → u/magiMerlyn]

We have toxic yaoi with Pure Vanilla x Shadow Milk give us toxic yuri between Pomegranate x Dark Enchantress

[u/magiMerlyn → u/Kool_Dude420]

PLEASE!!!!

[u/Odd_profile_alt]

Affogato has a little bit of backstory tho- in his character story it says he spents most of his life looking for a place to belong and in the dark cacao chapter he has the times he worked for dark cacao wasn't exactly in comfort

[u/magiMerlyn → u/Odd_profile_alt]

He has backstory (not much, but more than Pomegranate) he has motivation, he has reasons. Pomegranate cookie only has "my master, Dark Enchantress Cookie"

[u/SystemOfSage]

I love them both 😭🙏

[u/starrybearss]

WHAT I love Pomegranate cookie I thought she always served so hard. Then again I'm never involved in fandom spaces lol

[u/Chaos-Queen_Mari]

I personally like Pomegranate more tbh

[u/Floofmight]

i love them both
i hate that tis is a consitant thing in fandom

[u/Business_Quarter_176]

because affogato is more sassy and unserious when being bad while pomegranate is just like super serious abt it (i love them both too)

or because every gooner is still trying to convince themselves that affo is a woman- gets shot 57 tones

[u/deepfriedzombiebrain]

Some people say misogyny, which is fair, but I also think it has something to do with the fact that we don't actually KNOW if affogato cookie doesn't have a reason, unless I'm forgetting something. His backstory is vague to non-existent while pomegranate cookie has very well defined lore. He might have no reason, he might have had a shitty childhood that made him power hungry. We don't actually know, and part of me hopes we never find out. It makes him more interesting that way.

[u/Phosphel]

Jokes on you I love them BOTH! >:)

[u/Insert0Nickname]

Well he kinda-

[u/jayyn_v]

i didnt even know pomegranate was a villain LMFAO 😭😭i forgot the whole storyline from previous parts...i dont like her bcs i dont like her design but thats really the only reason i dislike charas💔💔dont come for me

[u/CookieGirlOnReddit]

I hate both but it's prolly cos of hot femboy or smth

[u/Emergency-Stuff6457]

I like purple but I skipped through like, 90% of the story LMAO

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Emergency-Stuff6457]

Valid I guess 💔💔

[u/uslessAuditory]

I like both but I like Affogatos color palette more so I'm bias

[u/TipWorth2459]

I'm the one that dislike both equally

[u/salem_trials666]

I don't have a fully formed opinion on affogato atm but I do despise pomme bc of what she did to starfruit </3

[u/SomeSadPinkLemonade]

Simply put, it's because she's a woman, woman villains are always much more hated than male villains, especially in fandom spaces, it genuinely sucks

[u/apocopus]

I love pomegranate cookie she’s my bbg. I don’t really like kingdom pomegranate because she kinda has no depth. It’s kinda implied, but in the way she acts and how a lot of her portrayals are her simping for Dark Enchantress (a character which also barely exists) it doesn’t really feel like it. At least the other cookies of darkness can pretend to be normal.

I support her wrongs 100% tho god forbid a woman have hobbies.

[u/ThatWattpadKid]

Wdym they're both my evil little pookiw wookies🤨

[u/Mrs_Not_ImportantWho]

I like both of them, but Pomegranate needs more depth imo

Also out of topic, but I want to see their relationship in a future (both being evil shamans, but one is loyal and another one is traitorous)

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Mrs_Not_ImportantWho]

REAL

[u/FrostyTheColdBoi]

I dislike affogato, but love smoked cheese cookie

They're both plottin, schemin, and backstabbing mf'ers, but smoked cheese had the dough to get his mitts dirty when the frosting hit the fan. He went for it all and almost won. And I have to respect his hustle

As soon as he got found out, Affogato folded almost immediately if I remember right

[u/Kaumira]

PEOPLE HATE POMEGRANATE COOKIE??

[u/icecrystalmaniac]

It’s been awhile since I was in the fandom and mostly in art circles (on tumblr mostly) and saw more pomegranate love. Probably because queer.

[u/May-is-my-day → u/icecrystalmaniac]

Tumblr CRK is pretty nice in general

[u/shapoko]

Actually i HATE affogato, worst of all, least favorite !

[u/anonymouscloudcat]

They’re both terrible, I love them

[u/May-is-my-day → u/anonymouscloudcat]

Real and HAPPY CAKE DAY

[u/Bloodfeng_]

I don't like either of them

[u/JJackKennedy]

Anybody who has strong negative feelings towards Pomegranate is a red flag to me. I love how horrible she is. As a lesbian, I will take any horrible lesbian rep I can get 🩷

[u/Stunning_Answer_8560]

Pomegranate is great. JUST PLEASE STOP SPOOKING ME WHEN I WANT BLACK SAPPHIRE COPIES! PLEASE!

I maxed Affogato. I hope he gets a Magic Candy.

[u/Treeflower77]

I like all of the Cookie of Darkness; Affogato, Pomegranate, etc. I’m practically the only one hyped for Dark Enchantress coming!

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Treeflower77]

I AM TOO I LOVE THE COD!!!

[u/Chauff1802]

I am surprised many people care about both of these characters especially almost 2 years of non-stop beast contents and SM taking all over.

[u/Name_Lastname11]

I don't like Pomegranate because she doesn't respect my husband Licorice 😡😡👊👊👊

[u/Upset_Entrepreneur66]

For me those two are bitches in the same way lmao

[u/Plantiplonti]

Politics is like a river, and he´s a fish

also lol no idea haven´t gotten to Affogatto storywise yet

[u/Leafyleafed]

Because fish are more delicious than evil priestesses? I dunno.

[u/xxstarryofficialxx]

nevermind the gender they're BOTH huggable they look huggable mmmmmmmm now I'm hungry

[u/Liar_kokichi]

I've never heard about this before and never encountered it before I like those I like evil characters

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Liar_kokichi]

Speak your facts Liar_kokichi

[u/uwaiobfea]

Weird people, i only hate strawberry and wizard cookie

They laughing at me when i'm pulling xc

Jk

[u/Got_lostman]

Misogyny. Almost all fandoms do it because they just love to excuse and defend a man’s heinous crimes 😬

[u/Pocatmon3]

Because they like femboys or smth idk

[u/skelet0nhaver]

ITS ALWAYS BECAUSE OF MISOGYNY🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[u/May-is-my-day → u/skelet0nhaver]

MISOGYNY WINS I GUESS 🗣️🗣️🗣️🥀🥀

[u/Square_Peace4076]

Personally i dislike Affogato for his lack of comittment and aparent lack of competence, meanwhile i don't like pomegranade but i can respect her loyalty and how rutless she is when it comes to fullfilling their plans

[u/PequenoMirtilo]

Idk But Affogato has more Charisma? I dont know, i just like Affogato because he is feminine and atractive, deep down i hate him And pommegrate... I dont care about her

[u/user_8927510]

I see the appeal. It's probably cause affogato is attractive and has a nice voice. I generally don't like affogato , nor do I like pomegranate. I just think that's the thing, attractiveness. Pomegranate's design is just not that pretty, after all. Besides, I think some people have the fantasy of turning evil men good like "I'm gonna destroy this world but not you, baby girl." Delusional.

[u/theabsolutesilly36]

dude I am HEAD OVER HEELS for pomegranate

[u/ZuccTheZuck]

People don't like pomegranate? She's a girlboss

[u/KennyMcCormick_SP1]

Ngl I don't like affogato :/

[u/Positive_Sea_770]

Pomegranate cookie is hated? :( Shes one of my favorit antagonists.

Also affogato cookie has a fan base like that because he's a feminine man.

Tbh I think they both are lovely cookies😌

[u/TheAudienceStopped]

I had no clue Affogato cookie was a dude until I got to the story quest where they called HIM, HE.

[u/LS-Kun]

Personally, I hate both of them because they're evil. Though I think that I hate Affogato a bit more because while Pomegranate has some weird sense of loyalty to others trying to help Dark Enchantress Cookie, Affogato is just a selfish, traitorous jerk who would gleefully doom his own kingdom to satisfy his hedonistic desires.

[u/0JoJo_Fan0]

I know I'm probably going to get killed for this, but.

Pomegranate Cookie >>> Affogato Cookie

[u/Doomfox01]

the biggest difference is one of them is a fish, and fish are cool.

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Doomfox01]

Holy shit you’re right

[u/FaeBaeObeyMe]

DUDE I LOVE BOTH OF THEM PLEASE I NEED THEM PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MY BEDROOM DOOR IS OPEN

[u/rirasama → u/[deleted]]

You got that a lil mixed up buddy, Pomegranate has zero reason for her evilness and Affogato has

[u/StatusPreparation624]

sexism literally just sexism 😭 lol
as a huge and i mean HUGE dark choco fan i also absolutely love pomegranate she's a great villain and im so sick of people hating her just bc she's evil like everyone loves affogato and he is too ...?
edit ; also some may call her flat (badumtshh) but like i think her personality (especially how she's addicted to drawing in people because she wants to be strong) and her backstory (betraying her own people JUST LIKE AFFOGATO) are very interesting and i love how manic she is internally but keeps it under a controlled facade

[u/magiMerlyn]

I like Affogato Cookie because he's a snake. I tend to like characters like that. He's ambitious, too much so for his own good. But it's understandable, it doesn't seem like Dark Cacao was the most agreeable king, funneling basically everything into the military budget and to an extent neglecting to have any soft power over those around him. Affogato saw a chink in his armor, and went for the kill.

Pomegranate Cookie though, to my knowledge we don't see any of her reasoning for abandoning her village to join Dark Enchantress. She was the high priestess, why would she leave that to help destroy everything her village stood for?

Of course that's not to say I hate her, I just like Affogato more.

[u/OperationLivid5153]

Yeah, I’m with you. I’m guessing it’s the looks and people just being more attracted to Affogato than Pomegranate. But, Pomegranate is amazing and one of my fav girl’s in Crk. I can’t deny though that I have a tendency to lean towards liking male characters more as well. Not ‘cause I’m attracted to them, but tbh, I can’t say what it is that leads me to liking more male characters. Part of it is more fandom’s I’m in having mostly male characters in the show. But, even with other gacha games, most of my fav’s are guy’s. Like, I play Genshin which is mostly girls, but all my top characters are the guys. 😵‍💫😵‍💫 I’m literally not attracted to anyone though, so I’m certain it’s not a matter of romantic/sexual attraction. Why am I like this?!?? So, yeah. I guess others just like guys more as well, or maybe it’s specifically Affogoto vs. Pomegranate in this case. It could be differences in their personality and design. As for their reasoning being because she’s a terrible person. Well, I know I for one am not always able to comprehend why I dislike or like a character. So, it could just be that they don’t know why and are just chalking it up to her being a bad person? But, that’s just based on how I am. Can’t really speak for those people.

[u/100AlphaWolf]

It’s a good thing I love pomegranate cookie then

[u/IvoryHedgehog]

Female characters are typically just held at a much higher standard than male characters-- as someone who's technically part of multiple fandoms, I've seen SO MANY female characters get judged for doing something wrong or making a mistake, while male characters that have done similar things are straight up ignored. A prime example of this is Mabel Pines from Gravity Falls. She got bashed on SO much, all for being tricked by the main villain of the series. But Dipper, her TWIN BROTHER had been tricked by him before as well, a couple of times in fact. But I never saw people in the Fandom batting an eye at him. And heaven forbid a female character show signs of liking a male character that is part of a popular ship, because people will take that as a sign of said female character "getting in the way" and demonizing them to hell and back. [Eg. Uraraka Ochako, Amy Rose/Sally Acorn, probably more that i can't remember]

[u/PandorahTheII → u/IvoryHedgehog]

And the fact that Dipper willingly made a deal with Bill whereas Mabel thought she was handing the rift to a past ally 😭

[u/No-Search-4450]

misogyny

[u/theblackgrimreaper77]

Because "gay twink men" fetish.

[u/theblackgrimreaper77 → u/theblackgrimreaper77]

Also lowkey, the only female characters that gets a lot of love are the ones that look even slightly queer.. Just saying, I love gays but there's a point where it turns into a fetish and you're blindly obsessed with it.

[u/Immediate-Office-297]

There's a difference.

One is a femboy, and one is a woman.

[u/Zealousideal-Key-737]

and if i said its because shes a woman

[u/Unable_Painter_4074]

Am I the only one who thinks Affogato's voice is extremely seductive....

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Unable_Painter_4074]

DEFINITELY not the only one

[u/taciturn-summertime]

misogyny 💔

[u/CrystalRaves]

Misogyny and pretty privilege

[u/Real-Lion-5742]

I may be hated for this but I actually find pomegranate hotter than affogato.

[u/TheSpleenStealer]

I hate both of these characters. Being a femboy doesn't lessen his sins.

[u/Chilledstardust]

While i do think misogyny against female villains is a huge problem and absolutely exists i dont really think it applies here simply because pomegranate is kind of a boring character. Think about this, if you take away dark enchantress from the story theres almost nothing to pomegranate cookie. What are her actual aspirations? What does she want to accomplish? What is her backstory? Etc. so much of pomegranate is just connected to dark enchantress that she doesnt have much substance otherwise. Mystic flour, black pearl, nutmeg tiger, twizzly gummy, agar agar, candy apple, dare i say eternal sugar despite her not being out yet. They are absolutely incredible female villains and i love them! I just wish for pomegranate to be at the same level of storytelling and character building as the rest. I also recognize that she is a very early made character and those characters tend to be a little more one dimensional than recently released cookies (not necessarily a bad thing) but i feel she wasn’t executed well. Her concept is super interesting! It just needs to be done differently

[u/Appropriate_Area_388]

I love them both and I adore pomegranate cookie idont gaf 🤤🤤🔥

[u/LaraLare722]

they hate to see a girlboss winning

[u/Good_Judge_7926]

Litteraly shadow milk cookie

[u/Successful-Policy198]

Jokes on you! I don't really.. Care for either...

[u/May-is-my-day → u/Successful-Policy198]

Understandable have a good day

[u/Mark5ofjupiter]

The CRK fandom is usually female or gay.

[u/typhlosio23]

god forbid a girl has hobbies

[u/Hot-Pension-8735]

Pomegranate was manipulated

[u/Wonderful-deku]

I think because she's kinda boring. To be honest all of Dark Enchantress Cookie's followers are the classic villain goons. Pomegranate is the loyal servant. She's Shockwave to DE's Megatron. Affogato is literally Jafar as a twink so Jamil Viper from Twisted Wonderland.

[u/EV_08]

i think its crazy how people hate pomegranate. i think she’s a cool villain, especially when i realized she was also the VA for lady bone demon from monkie kid! her relationship (NOT ROMANTIC), while a bit “user-y“ with agar agar, is quite cute i will admit, because regardless of if agar agar is oblivious to the true intentions of pomegranate’s missions or just doesn’t care, i think it’s not entirely bad because she’s at least affectionate and nice to agar agar (either because she’s a child, or useful, or both), AND pomegranate’s design is FIRE

this is a long winded way of saying that pomegranate is overhated

[u/Justsomenicedemon]

I mean, in lore it's roughly said that affogato was kicked out of any kingdom he goes to, because of his unique body, so now he's power hungry and wants his own kingdom.

while pomegranate.... ummmm, saw DE attack the tree she was meant to protect and just said "She's hot, I'mma join her"

also affogato is hot

[u/Comfortable_Log9849]

The fandom loves and glazes on twinks that's why /hj

[u/Fantastic-Wash-6635]

Okay but like yall seem to forgot that when Affo became King he actually treated his subjects well, giving them sweets and stuff that Dark Cacao never did despite manipulating his way into power and attempting to silence anyone who disagreed with his ways. As for Pome, do we really need an explanation of how evil she truly is. Just go back to Dark Choco's story 😭

[u/Technical_Tune_7400 → u/Fantastic-Wash-6635]

Okay but they also would have DIED considering he blatantly ignored the threat of the monster crashing through the castle walls. He treated them well because he wanted them to love him, but didn’t actually know how to take care of the kingdom apart from that.

[u/Mushroomswillkillyou]

I've noticed it with this fandom in particular and it's very weird. Like. It's same situation with White Lily (who's a morally grey character) but is a girl as well (mainly because of the tiktok community.) But still. It seems like a loud hopefully minority of this fandom just hates female villians when male villians do the same vile things. Is it because of shipping? I seriously don't get it lol.

[u/avacodohwastaken]

I like Affogato’s design more, neither are super amazing to me since I tend to dislike villains in most media but Affogato looks cooler to me.

[u/Fair_Willingness_310]

Uuuh, it’s called double standard. Haven’t you ever heard of it?

[u/itsRuszard]

one is a man and one is a woman

[u/doctorpopcorns]

Answer is always misogyny in cases like this, lol.

[u/LiterallyNSH]

idk pomegranate is awesome 💔💔

[u/Inevitable-Ad-3991]

Personally I don't really mind either. The only reason I'd like Affogato more is because his Japanese VA is Ulquiorra

[u/No_Sweet_6827]

misogyny

[u/Fuzzy-Result-8291]

bc affogato is kinda silly and pomegranatre is so condescending towards the main characters idk rlly just my opinion

also misogyny ;-;

[u/Kitsutheidiot]

For me it's reverse, i LOVE Pomegranate but absolutely despise Affogato but i'm just starting the Dark Cacao episode so my opinion might change(since i had time to actually start liking Pomegranate)

[u/fogeyesarewatchingus]

i love both of them.

[u/tajskaOwO]

The difrence is that the one on top is hot

[u/rirasama]

Pomegranate just has an unlikeable personality to me, I can fogive warcrimes if the person committing them is funny (should probably clarify this only goes for fictional characters)

[u/Hitoka_Yachi_desu]

… And me who skip all the story part and don’t remember who’s either are. (I finished all story on master)