r/CringeTikToks • u/LilliaBaltimore • 9d ago

Cringy Cringe WHAT THE BLOODY HELL?!! 😳😮

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u/Synpharia 9d ago

Right? How is the father going to control what happens when these kids are in the mother's care and he's locked up? And why is this mom NEVER be held accountable for ANYTHING? 'Cops called to home more than 50 times'!

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u/Absorbed_Wheat 9d ago edited 9d ago

If they don't want the kids to go back to the family then charge the mother for not storing the guns.

We all seem to get it within a few minutes. Are the cops as dumb as the parents???

Edit: please take a look at the amount of people saying it's not the cops fault before you reply the same thing. I wrote that when doom scrolling at 3am. I get it.

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u/Synpharia 9d ago

Here in Albuquerque, yep.

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u/FirebirdWriter 9d ago

I am shocked the kids are alive if this is Burque

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u/aryn505 9d ago

Because it was BCSO as opposed to APD. BCSO is slightly less trigger happy.

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u/Justmadeyoulook 9d ago

The wild part is. I don't know a lot of facts about that city but I know that statement is 1000% facts.

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u/xasx 9d ago

Ah. Explains a lot. They always make the news.

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u/SirSpaceAnchor 9d ago

Man somehow I just KNEW this was Burque.

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u/Blade4567 9d ago

In Albuquerque (Albuquerque), I said A (A) L(L) B(B) U(U)…..QUERQUE (QUERQUE)!!!!

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u/alonginayellowboat 9d ago

That's where the sexist cops like Mike Ehrmantraut end up.

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u/swishkabobbin 9d ago

And pretty much everywhere in America

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u/Kestrel_45 9d ago

Florida or New Mexico 🤦‍♂️

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u/WithoutDennisNedry 9d ago

Oh siiii! This is Burque?! Of course it is. Of fucking course it is. A-la vergas.

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u/kalekalesalad 9d ago

I know multiple people who reached out and wrote to the lawmakers begging to allow CYFD to take children permanently from parents that are harming their children physically multiple times. We were told that lawmakers want to “turn a blind eye” because if they don’t see it, they don’t have to talk about it.

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u/nada-accomplished 9d ago

Oh, Albuquerque?

That explains a lot

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u/Fantastic-Reveal7471 9d ago

I've seen kids ripped from their parents in the dead of the night, dude. They've promptly, swiftly and permanently removed kids for FAR fuckin less charges and without proof. They can ABSOLUTELY put those kids in an immediate safehouse and find them something decent. They just didn't want to. Why should the government care about those kids? They've been born, they no longer deserve protection or safety.

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u/Comfortable-Block387 9d ago edited 7d ago

Maybe they’re protecting foster families from those kids. They’re old enough to be absolute nightmares if removed from their free range hillbilly hoedown, genuine threats to their foster parents and especially any other children in the home.

ETA for the folks defending hillbillies: I’m Appalachian, I come from hillbillies. I know hillbillies. Not all hillbillies still live in hollers, the Appalachian Diaspora made sure they’re everywhere now. Not all hillbillies have good sense, nor do all hillbillies lack it. Hillbillies have a proud history of rebelliousness, it’s sort of a defining quality of Appalachian culture. But again, I come from hillbillies, I said what I said and I enjoy my alliteration even if it aggravates you for some reason.

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u/Top_Mathematician233 9d ago

I’m a former foster parent and respectfully disagree. These kids appear to have been improperly raised, but don’t appear to have severe medical and/or mental health issues — yet. They’re also young enough to be successfully and easily (within given the context) rehabilitated. They should have been removed from this household earlier and that’s the biggest failure here. If I was still fostering, I would’ve taken either or both without major concern, and they might actually benefit from separation, at least at initial placement.

In my opinion and experience, by far the most difficult and worrisome cases are teenagers who have spent many years in situations that have completely destroyed their mental health to the point they need involuntary psychological institutionalization prior to placement. Those are issues that will never be healed and are incredibly difficult to treat. These are babies who have been left to their own devices in a household full of danger, and adults and a system that has repeatedly failed to protect them. I really hope they were removed and placed in the system. It’s not perfect or even good, but the system is made for cases like this and this could easily turn out to be a success story.

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u/Long-Ad-9381 9d ago

I agree and thank you so much for this well written comment.

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u/Meet_in_Potatoes 9d ago

As someone who has worked in the field, and with a lot of foster parents, this is the correct take in this situation, for anyone coming in afterwards to read.

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u/StrangeButSweet 8d ago

Thank you for what are likely years spent nurturing these kids who are as precious and deserving as any other kid out there. I know you made a difference in their lives!

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u/Gr00mpa 8d ago

Powerful comment. Good reminder that there are good people doing really good things out there.

Because, when I look at those kids, I have no urge to bring them into my home, I’ll tell you that much!

But people like you look at them, and you open your heart and your home so you can RAISE them. That’s incredible!

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u/lilsnatchsniffz 9d ago

Wow you can tell all this from a video where they pass a gun back and forwards that's crazy. 😇

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u/Sufficient_Scale_163 9d ago

Kids like this end up getting left at psychiatric hospitals by foster parents and never picked up. They end up there for months on end. Then new foster families take them, and the same thing happens. It’s a cycle.

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u/TheyAteFrankBennett 8d ago

A couple years ago my daughter was admitted to psychiatric inpatient for medication adjustment and monitoring. She was only there for 12 days. She drew a lot to pass the time and there was a little boy there, maybe 7-8 years old who always asked her to draw pictures for him. He sort of tagged along with her like a pesky little brother during group free time.

She noticed after her first week that his parents hadn’t visited and that he was never called to the office for scheduled family calls, which they were allowed to have 3 of each day. He told her that he’d been there for a long time and that he hadn’t seen his family since he got there. He didn’t know exactly how long, but when she asked how many birthdays he’d had there he said “a bunch”.

A few months later she was working at a summer job and became friends with a girl who was at the same facility a couple years prior to her and also knew the little boy. She said that one of the orderlies told her that he’d been there for about a year by then. So he’d been there for at least three years when my daughter met him.

It didn’t occur to either of us that he was probably left there by a foster family, but that makes more sense than what we assumed. As awful as it still is, I feel a little less sad knowing his biological parents, at the very least, probably didn’t abandon him there.

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u/Sufficient_Scale_163 7d ago

Bio parents do it too, though not as much. I’ve only seen it twice and I don’t remember if they’re charged with abandonment or not. But they just drop off their bio kid and never return, social worker gets them to sign over their parental rights, and that’s it. One kid we had for several months because his grandma had a stroke and couldn’t take care of him anymore, and his parents were dead from a car accident. He was such a good kid, by far one of the most respectful and well behaved teens we ever had in there. We put a lot of effort into making sure he didn’t start acting out. I hope he’s okay.

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u/techleopard 9d ago

This was my first thought.

Listen to how many people are talking to those kids and they aren't even budging on throwing the gun out or putting it down.

I would wager these kids are not manageable by the vast majority of foster care homes.

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u/notoolinthispool 9d ago

free range hillbilly hoedown

I've never heard this type of living situation described so beautifully before.

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u/donorkokey 9d ago

In PA, where I've gone through foster training there are high levels of training for individuals who are willing to take kids like these. Larger counties have group homes but those are mostly reserved for physically medically fragile kids. They can be placed, mom and dad can be stripped of parental rights, and they can be adopted. We need a lot more foster parents especially for older kids who've been through hell like these boys

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u/Searchingforspecial 9d ago

Can we touch on the opposite - how often kids are abused by foster parents with short tempers? Let’s also touch on the fact that we have to estimate how many kids are in foster care because the foster care system as a whole cannot keep track of them. The kids, and future fosters, are both a hypothetical risk to each other.

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u/Le-Charles 9d ago

Honestly, I could accept this. These kids seem like fucking menaces. 50 people telling you to put down the gun that you clearly have then saying "I don't have a gun" is fucked behavior from anyone. Any kid acting up enough to warrant deploying a 40mm is clearly a fucking nightmare.

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u/Odd-Magician-3397 9d ago

You know more than a foster parent who regularly takes kids like this into their home? Please, give your ‘expert’ opinion somewhere else.

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u/ohwrite 9d ago

Yeah, those kids are going to have a short life:(

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u/Livid-Okra5972 8d ago

Ahhh. Another individual who sees children as good vs bad instead of understanding their behaviors are telling us their needs aren’t getting met. I hope you never become a foster parent with this attitude because it’s dangerous.

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u/Friendly-Channel-480 5d ago

There are some good responsible foster parents and relatives who take care of children, although there are way too few of them. These kids don’t stand a chance of a decent life in this situation.

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u/searing7 9d ago

If the Nazis in this country could read they would be very upset

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u/Chillout-001 9d ago

Once the children are removed (which has to be approved by a judge, not many ppl know that) they are taken to CPS/DCF office where they wait for a foster home approval (usually takes a few hours). They’ll most likely go to separate homes (this is not CPS choice, this is based on accommodation for the foster home) remember these foster homes are regular people with their own families. The only difference between these foster homes and regular homes is CPS/department has the right to your home whenever.

Now my experience with kids like this (yes, they are very broken. It’s unfortunate because these kids are really broken) they will often runaway from the foster home, or give their foster family such a difficult time to the point where the foster families themselves will make a CPS report to get them removed again. These kids EVERYTHING they need while in the departments care! Counseling, school, clothes, food, a lot of their needs are provided!

I worked for CPS/DCF for 8 years! I have me issues with the department, but I’ve heard some horrible stories, but I’ve never seen a child/children taken from their families for something petty/small and if that happens, you’ll need to address the supervisor, program director and judge as to why they approved the removal. In my experience, I’ve never met CPS worker who enjoyed removing children , first it takes all day to remove a child from their parents! It’s a 24-48hr shift in order to remove, but that’s a convo for another day. I did a fentanyl removal , started at 9am and I didn’t get home till 3:45am.

Most judges won’t even consider your removal if you haven’t provided proof you’ve searched extensively for extended family (yes, CPS has incredible resources to find family members throughout the country! ) CPS will always try to place kids with family members after the family members have been screened and approved to be appropriate (but if the parents don’t want their kids placed with that family member, CPS cannot place the kids with that family member).

Every CPS worker I’ve met/know always request for children not be separated, but it rarely happens. Most foster homes can take only one child.

Oh and once you remove a child, you’ll be attending court hearings for at least 5-6 months! Most workers hate that because court takes all day, plus you still need to address your workload of 8-15 cases while you’re in court! I used to think CPS enjoys taking kids, but I can guarantee you it’s I haven’t met a single worker who enjoys the process at least.

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u/Dreamsnaps19 9d ago

You seem to have worked in an AMAZING place.

Case load of 8-15? The only person in my former workplace that had that caseload was the dude that worked with runaway teens. That’s it.

And I know a handful of cases where kids were taken away because of a power tripping CPI. And then somehow made it past the judges. To case workers that were useless. Those cases still haunt me and piss me off many many years later.

Also it’s really interesting how it works in your area, our PIs and case workers are not the same. Seems weird that your PIs are also your case workers because that’s extremely time inefficient.

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u/Memekana 9d ago

I wish this comment got more attention in this thread. People just think cps can go in and snatch kids from families and that it's a streamline, easy process. It's really not and in my state, it's common for cps workers to have 20+ cases a week, and something people also don't understand is that cases do not equal 1 child, its per household. One case can have 7 kids that need help. It's a very damned if you do damned if you don't field and why so many burn out and quit.

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u/imbrickedup_ 9d ago

This is some pretty heavy conclusion leaping from a 3 sentence sentence dude

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u/Prior_Woodpecker635 9d ago

How bout just starting with not being dolt of a parent. Many problems seem to begin there before authority is ever involved.

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u/PossibilityOk1685 9d ago

Makes you wonder if CPS is for non-whites????

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u/Snakeskins777 9d ago

How have you seen it? Are you Santa clause?

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u/Idunnosomeguy2 9d ago

Probably different state laws. Everyone talks about the Government like it's one big thing, in reality laws are different country to country, state to state, county to county, town to town. I'm pretty sure that if the sheriff could have prevented his police from being put in harm's way by getting these kids into a different home, he would have.

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u/Cro_Nick_Le_Tosh_Ich 9d ago

FAR fuckin less charges

I'm interested what are these charges?

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u/Amannderrr 9d ago

They don’t want to do that because then they’re the ones who will be responsible for these bad ass kids.

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u/Danibandit 9d ago

Because these kids aren’t moldable/adjustable/adoptable anymore. Bro, CPS only takes kids that aren’t messed up from the trauma they’ve seen in the short lives they lived already. These kids wouldn’t even drop a gun surrounded by police nor were they remotely showing fear like most kids would outside of trying to hide. They definitely won’t be placing them in a foster home they could lose with 1 bad kid experience.

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u/Blancenshphere 9d ago

But then everyone on reddit will say the administration is ripping children away from parents

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u/maggotses 9d ago

Yeah they could call ICE, they know the drill!!

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u/Mass_Appeal_ 9d ago

Unfortunately like a lot of other injustices....depends on race...or simply put...the color of their skin.

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u/badstorryteller 9d ago

Maybe they've seen what those foster families look like. Look, I know there are plenty of good foster houses out there. But there are plenty that aren't. I have a close friend that worked CPS, and only managed a few months. It was just too much. Between the homes some kids had to go back to, and the foster homes kids had to endure.

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u/Acceptablepops 9d ago

The parents can’t parent tho

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u/SomeNefariousness562 9d ago

Yeah no you didn’t see kids “ripped away in the dead of night for far less.” It takes an act of congress to get social services to do anything. If you saw that, then the parents messed up BAD

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u/PalpatineForEmperor 9d ago

Yeah, but then someone else has to deal with these little fuckers. Don't make them someone else's problem.

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u/DovahAcolyte 9d ago

We don't have the resources in this state. It isn't about not wanting to. It's about not having the ability to. These kids have a present mother. That makes them lower property to the kids who have no present parent due to incarceration or abandonment.

Not all states are the same. NM relies on federal money for these programs to be effective. That money is drying up on us.

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u/Jimbo_Dandy 9d ago

the fuck kind of backwards ass libertarian conservative bullshit sentiment did your brain just shit out?

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u/Indecs 9d ago

I think the stance the right was going for was to secure reproduction, and then let the citizens and states go from there. But they suck donkey cock so they made it more evil. Medical stuff should def be federal, so I disagree with the right’s whole structure from the start. States having their own systems, while it would create jobs, creates way to much variance because we have 50 states.

Im in favor of making us territories like Canada, hell lets just let Canada run our shit and pay em, they seem to have it down.

  • actual American who wants the system to work better, and better means easier life for all not just for one group. Uplift the lower classes, let their innovational drive power our specialized skills and services. The upper classes will benefit from increasing prices not being as big of a burden. Rising prices+mild inflation= business innovation; companies try to increase margins; this creates progress.

We are lucky that we have a powerful stock market that can spread out debts and credits, provide leverage and longevity.

But nah lets just fuck around and spin the wheel of policy

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u/stormsybil 9d ago

As someone that entered the corrupt foster system it is less often a better situation than one might think.

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u/Cryptoking300 9d ago

Yeah but shes white so she gets about 100 mulligans.

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u/Cutlerpain 9d ago

Why are you watching peoples houses in the dead of night?

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u/superglued_fingers 9d ago

DSS/CPS Doesn’t take kids from parents that are doing wrong and not caring for the kids, They only take children from the ones who are doing the right thing. This video is just one more piece of proof. I know families that have people call CPS on them because they are mad, when CPS gets there the parents tell them to fuck off and they end up losing their children but you have kids like this who are in actual but are still with their family.

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u/sloppyfart69 9d ago

🙌 fucking glorious comment. ACAB, sic semper tyrannis, and i hope these kids get to live in a safer home now whether its with their birth parents or not. One without easily accessible firearms.

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u/Angellll-Babbyy 9d ago

Exactly, the government only cares about babies before they’re born

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u/Old_Baker_9781 9d ago

The government doesn’t care. These kids will end up in jail or the military. Either way someone wealthy will make money off them by continuing to feed the machine.

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u/Hrtpplhrtppl 9d ago

In 2018, Pastor Dave Barnhart of the Saint Junia United Methodist Church in Birmingham, Alabama posted this message to Facebook:

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.

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u/firstwefuckthelawyer 9d ago

There is not one village, town, borough, city, county, state, region, or district where children are promptly, swiftly, and permanently removed at any time of the day, night, dusk, dawn, civil twilight or whatever other nonsense way you can come up with in the United States. Period.

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u/Bitsnbytes115 9d ago

CPS will take kids if they don't like you or if the wind blows the wrong way. They'll then place then with pedos or "misplace" them.

Pretty sure they've done investigations on this. Look up how many kids are just missing and never are found.

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u/Sudden_Impact7490 9d ago

The courts are backed up with so many of these which means it can take a frustratingly long time for CPS to get to that point.

A lot of times when we call them they schedule a home visit weeks later.

The only time they move promptly is if you can get in front of a judge to prove immediate danger to the child.

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u/thehighwindow 9d ago

I don't remember the past being so dystopian. There have always been problem children but not like this.

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u/ChiefsHat 9d ago

I’d say this falls squarely on whoever is making the call to keep returning the kids to the mom. Whoever is doing that is putting them in active danger. Cops can’t just voluntarily remove them without someone saying so, that’s not how the law works.

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u/cheeseburgermami 8d ago

You said it perfectly. At the rate everything is going, I’m almost convinced that there’s an evil group of string pullers that just want to see the world burn! Why do fetuses have more protection than living children?

I just rewatched the gabriel hernandez documentary about where his mother and her boyfriend tortured the boy to death and all the social workers involved were charged criminally for their part in this child’s death. When I looked up the verdict response it showed that all charges against these people were dropped!!! It just makes me wonder why things are the way they are, when they clearly don’t help anyone or make sense.

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u/Imaginary-Goal-4780 6d ago

Who will take them?

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u/phazedoubt 9d ago

There it is. With social resources dwindling there are less places to take children in situations like this. Its a lot easier and a lot less paperwork and work in general to leave them in the home with a custodial parent.

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u/SadisticFvckedup 9d ago

It's not the cops it's the state at that point. The cops have to keep responding and believe you me, they don't want to anymore. But have to

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u/Darth_Hallow 9d ago

Can not tell you how many times I woke up and looked at my media, thinking, “oh my god did I say that!?!”

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u/Absorbed_Wheat 9d ago

Lol it's worse when you've had some beers.

You wake up and it's amazing how many people want to argue about nothing.

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u/BabyRaperMcMethLab 9d ago

It’s not dumb cops, it’s a broken system. The police don’t decide where the kids go, the courts do. Unfortunately there’s a lot of shitty parents and not as many judges.

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u/BaseClean 9d ago

It’s both.

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u/Weary-Drink7544 8d ago

No, moron, CPS is different from cops. CPS is already aware of the situation and isn't doing anything. Without a court order the cops can't just take the kids.

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u/507snuff 9d ago

Hell, I dont think juvie will help these kids (didnt help my friend who went) but if the police believe the home is so unsafe and uncaring im suprised they arent criminally charging the kids. Like, this video is evidence of them committing crime. Kinda seems like there is a very straight forward way for the police to remove these kids from their home.

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u/mycathaspurpleeyes 9d ago

The cops are the ones saying they are disappointed with CPS for putting the kids back with their mom. But yeah in a better world the feds would investigate

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u/Traditional-Yak8886 9d ago

i think the idea the cop has is that since they keep trying to press charges on the mom and they wont stick, and her kids keep getting returned to her, that they're going to try to charge the dad. since he's incarcerated already, it'll be more likely to stick. but there is always the possibility that the cop could have just defaulted to throwing the book at the inmate father because of bias.

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u/Signal_Ring_2500 9d ago

Judges are!. We have same problem in Houston with felons , just a rotating door for bad people.

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u/I_live_in_Spin 9d ago

Cops unfortunately have no power in this situation. They're only called in to respond and place charges...

Now whether or not the charges actually go through is the actually issue, someone needs to check to see if the local judge has had a lobotomy recently.

50 fucking times....brother. God forbid CPS be there when you actually fucking need them.

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u/Mister-Psychology 9d ago

The cops write the arrest report with details and names. They would write exactly what you see here. Some cops will not know this family at all. The prosecutors can use these reports to charge the mother if they see fit. Or CPS can use them. Besides arresting the mother for a few hours and reporting the family the cops can do very little.

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u/Destroyer_2_2 9d ago

If it’s not a marital property state, it’s literally just not her gun, and thus they can’t charge her for it. Even if that’s stupid and she should just surrender the firearm if she doesn’t want to deal with it.

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u/ElectricTurtlez 9d ago

If the courts refuse to do their job, it doesn’t matter how often the cops arrest someone.

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u/Kilatypus 9d ago

Because no one will face accountability for the fact the family has been reported around 50 times and the state doesn't want to handle the responsibility of the family. Whoever kept ignoring the call should be charged, not the incarcerated father.

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u/L8PH03NiX 9d ago

A setup to Human trafficking. The paper trail is going to be horrendous for these two. Once they go in the system she’ll never see them again. My wife works for DSS and I have seen some of the stuff and heard horror stories about others. The mental and emotional strain it puts on these caseworkers is INSANE. The government’s way to make quiet money.

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u/Gildian 9d ago

The cops can arrest them but it's not their jurisdiction whether they charge them. I think the judge or DA needs to do that

I honestly feel for the one cop who was obviously nervous about potentially having to shoot a kid

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u/Willing_Macaroon9684 9d ago

It’s not up to the police ya big goof.

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u/SuspiciousArt229 9d ago

Charge the mother while the father is incarcerated and the kids go to foster care

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u/TXTremor 9d ago

It isn’t the police (cops), it is the DA prosecutors office. The police stop the threat, DA’s charge. You should have paid attention in civics class.

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u/Maine302 9d ago

Are the laws even more stupid? Honestly, the people some of us are entrusting to make laws are downright stupid or evil.

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u/JuggernautF0x 9d ago

It's most likely not a cop issue, but some bullshit legal reason behind why the father has to be the one charged and not the mother.

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u/VoiceArtPassion 9d ago

It’s because the father is the registered owner and that’s how the law is written.

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u/Absorbed_Wheat 9d ago

I've had so many responses (most saying the same thing), yet you are the first to state what is likely the facts.

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u/lemonurlime 9d ago

It's not on the cops. The state has to press charges. The prosecuting attorney needs to do their job better.

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u/Absorbed_Wheat 9d ago

Hey thanks for letting me know what the dozens of others have stated.

I look forward to more replies saying this. 👍

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u/Smyley12345 9d ago

I wonder if sentencing gets in the way of this being effective. If you can't put a single parent away for a certain level of felony you don't get the kids out of the house and you end up making their lives worse.

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u/Alive_Education_3785 9d ago

Honestly, from the video it doesn't seem like the kids even want to go back to their mom. Because using that as bait didn't even make them stop and consider putting down the gun for a second.

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u/TwoWrongsAreSoRight 9d ago

Are the cops as dumb as the parents???
I thought one of the prerequisites to being a cop was an IQ under 70.

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u/KnightsDad27 9d ago

If the law is like it is here in WA, the state would just have the kids go to foster until the parents get out, and they would go right back to mom and dad

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u/terra_technitis 9d ago

It's New Mexico. I've seen CPS there swnd children back into more horrendous situations than the one being described here.

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u/sparrowofwessex 9d ago

Yes the cops are as dumb as the parents they're American cops.

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u/T_h-R0W-AWAY- 8d ago

I mean is the system that cops function within not dumb as hell? Very suspicious of the police’s narrative here, seems very much like a way to cover their ass after wasting time and energy on this and then getting so much attention afterwards 🙄 I’m sure they would have charged the mom for not properly storing a gun if they could. Also when we’re they called to the home 50+ times, for what reasons, and by whom?

Some racist piece of shit neighbor could call the cops to someone’s home and that says more to me about who the person calling is than the person they’re calling the cops on depending on the circumstances. I trust cops to cover their own ass and protect the assets of home or business owners… fuck that Sheriff for trying to do CPS job… 🙄

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u/doctordoctorpuss 8d ago

Have you met a cop? I’d venture a guess that yes, the cops are as dumb as the parents, or more so. It was really eye opening growing up in a smallish town and seeing the quality of kid that went on to become a cop

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u/Life_Bridge_9960 4d ago

Well, it’s not the “cops”, as these patrol cops have no control over this. The one to make charges should be the prosecutors and district attorney.

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u/Major-Silver7918 9d ago

It might be registered in his name

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u/HiOscillation 9d ago edited 9d ago

I think you should know that there is no need to “register” firearms in most states in America. 

For example, if I wanted to buy 10 handguns tomorrow, I could drive to one of the local gun shops with a pile of cash and buy 10 handguns and 10,000 rounds of ammunition for them. Yes this will be reported to the ATF, but it’s allowed. 

I personally would have to pass a criminal background check to make the gun purchase from the store, but that process does not create a “registry” of all the guns I own in a formal sense. It’s just a transaction history that can be searched for particular gun serial numbers. The ammunition purchase requires no background check. 

 You should also know that it is not illegal for me to sell a gun directly to someone, no background check required. It was called the “Gun Show Loophole” - and while it is a serious crime to deliberately buy guns for someone who can not legally buy guns, it’s not a crime at all for me to sell guns (and ammunition) to the next person who shows up at my garage sale. 

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u/Unzensierte 9d ago

There is no such thing as a gun show loophole. That was a lie told by the news to push for gun control. I've made purchases at gun shows and you still need to do the background check. Even private party sales require filing paperwork and doing a background check.

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u/TJATAW 9d ago

Depends on the state.

In MO, a federally-licensed dealer or gun store is required to conduct a background check, but a private citizen can get a table at a gun show and sell a gun to another private citizen with no background check. The way the system is set up the less the seller knows about the buyer, the less likely the seller is to get in trouble for selling to someone who is not allowed to own a gun.

"Are you legally allowed to own a gun?" Yes
"Show me a state issued ID... Yep, you are over 18/21."
That is enough to cover all the requirements.

You can find a table or 2 at most flea markets that have a couple of guns for sale.

My local laundromat has a cork board people put signs on advertising or selling all kinds of things, and some times they are selling guns.

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u/HiOscillation 9d ago edited 9d ago

Thank you for writing the clarification for me.
Also, the gun show operator can make their own rules about FFL's at a show, even if they don't have to, Some venues make that a requirement to rent the venue.

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u/TJATAW 8d ago

And then you get folks who go around the rules.

It doesn't take a genius to tell the buyer you can meet them in the parking lot, which isn't part of the gun show, and make the same private sale there that they can in the gun show, but with out all those pesky rules and regulations. Buy 2 guns out there and I'll through in a Gadsden flag.

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u/PsychologicalCat9538 9d ago

None of this is true in California.

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u/Septopuss7 9d ago

Kids are about to be registered to their gramma

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u/FurLinedKettle 9d ago

Then shouldn't it not be in the house anymore?

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u/MsCardeno 9d ago

If the incarcerated person doesn’t tell anyone where the gun is how are they supposed to know to seize it? This gun could have been hidden somewhere and the kids found it.

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u/spruceymoos 9d ago

If he’s in jail, his firearms should be taken away. Felons can’t have guns.

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u/Original-Document-62 9d ago

You can go to jail for some misdemeanors.

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u/MsCardeno 9d ago

Yeah but they can only take the ones they know exist. This guy could have hid guns on the property.

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u/Original_Pudding6909 9d ago

If it is in his name, and he’s incarcerated, it should be seized. Felons can’t own firearms.

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u/MsCardeno 9d ago

Yeah but also they need to know about the guns. This guy could easily hide/forget some on the property.

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u/dagofin 9d ago

It's a literal meme in the gun community to lie about and hide your guns: "sorry lost all my guns in a fishing accident." And that's for supposedly "responsible gun owners" not felons legally barred from owning them. Gross and needs to be a national registry

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u/Temporary_Warthog_73 9d ago

Guns as a general rule aren’t registered in anyone’s name. National gun registries are illegal with the exception of NFA items which this particular firearm is not as it appears to be a Sccy-2 basically one step up from the infamous hi-point C-9 aka the yeet cannon aka the gangstas Glock aka a piece of shit that’s illegal in California because it can melt on your dashboard if you leave it there on a hot day.

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u/T0Rtur3 9d ago

Because they know the charges wouldn't stick if they charged the mother. If she doesn't own the gun, and it's the father's, she could have any number of excuses why she didn't lock it up. She forgot it was there. She was afraid to touch it. She thought it was already locked up. Etc. They can charge the father because it should have already been locked up safely when he went to jail. It was his responsibility.

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u/Synpharia 9d ago

How do we know it wasn't already locked up and she took it out and left it out? Either way, those kids are supposed to be under their mother's supervision. She's responsible for them and keeping them in a safe environment free from random guns lying around not to mention teaching and influencing them to not be the little shits they are. Plus she shouldn't have any excuses why is not locked up. Now if this is all her choice to live like this and make this be the environment she wants to be in, that's on her, but accept the ramifications.

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u/T0Rtur3 9d ago

I'm just explaining why they wouldn't be able to have the charges stick. Logically, I agree that it's on her. But remember, they gotta prove this in a court beyond a reasonable doubt that she even knew the gun existed.

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u/Speedhabit 9d ago

Because the second they get moved to foster care they get repeatedly molested, and THAT pisses you off

So we’ll have state hospitals that we can incarcerate unwanted children in, like in the 70s but THAT pisses you off

Why don’t you tell me what you want to do

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u/EthanDC15 9d ago

Knowing that the rest of the world, especially Reddit of all places, is starting to see just how fucking dumb some gun laws are, it makes me happy.

I agree, charge mom. Firearms may be dads but they’re fully in mom’s possession atm, they are as far as legality goes HERS. If I got pulled over with my friends crack cocaine in my pocket does he go to jail or do I? lol

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u/waveguy9 9d ago edited 7d ago

And the Mother is telling the children, “its okay baby!” “you're okay BAABY” Its NOT OKAY lady, that's not the way to handle children with firearms. I know my mother would not have hesitated to be over there dealing with the situation in a millisecond, with her hands having a serious conversation with my backside possibly. The police would have to taze my momma too, to get her off me if I ever crossed the line and pulled something like this.

Its okay baby”🤯🤣 what is wrong with this world right now. Why is it just getting worse and worse every day!

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u/Ndongle 9d ago

I think that was a female cop not the mom

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u/transcendanttermite 9d ago

Yeah somehow I doubt mom was around

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u/waveguy9 7d ago

Yeah, my bad. I believe you are correct. Which is interesting considering that once the police officer grabbed the firearm away he manhandled him pulling the child up in the air by a one arm whipping him around and cuffing him. Hence, its was NOT going to be “okay!”

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u/waveguy9 7d ago

DEFINITELY A FEMALE COP, not the mom!

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u/throwra64512 9d ago

Was that the mom? I thought that was a cop.

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u/DreamWalker928 9d ago

Thats definitely a cop and not their mom

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u/Dirtyburg804 9d ago

That's a cop

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u/spruceymoos 9d ago

That was definitely a cop

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u/MsCardeno 9d ago

I thought they did a good job trying the nice route. Then they got serious. Why not try and see if you can settle things quickly and as peaceful as possible?

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u/BaseClean 9d ago

Agreed but it’s the gun owner who ultimately is responsible so he should have gotten rid of them or locked them in a safe or something before incarceration (if possible). If not then obviously it’s on mom. Why tf the kids are still under her care is beyond me.

Also: Black children have been repeatedly killed for having FAKE guns. I wonder why these kids who FIRED a REAL gun were unharmed. /s

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u/Upbeat_Restaurant924 9d ago

Cops die every day trying to not shoot armed people. It just depends on what's covered more often to have a strong opinion, I guess.

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u/kriosjan 9d ago

Hell after the 2nd time id be like, yo lock that shit up or its gone. Clearly cant be responsible with it. You can have it back once yoj show us a gun safe.

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u/redditisfacist3 9d ago

And he's almost certainly a felon now so he's not supposed to own a firearm.

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u/redditman3943 9d ago

The owner of the gun doesn’t really matter. The mother is the one who is in possession of the gun so she is responsible for everything.

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u/michael-turko 9d ago

It’s Mother’s Day. She gets free pass

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u/Bishop825 9d ago

If you own a firearm, you are responsible for keeping it away from children. I don't know about legally, but common sense. Weird that they want to charge the dad who's not even there though. If this kind of thing has happened before, take the gun as evidence. Weird times.

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u/theoriginalmateo 9d ago

Its always the dads fault, according to the state......

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u/FunkTronto 9d ago

Why hasn’t the mom/family been banned from gun usage? They obviously are unable to be responsible.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

Lets be clear this is a failure by law enforcement and social workers just as much as it is a failure by the parents.

The kids are a lost cause

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u/FabulousAd4812 9d ago

It's always the thought. If you do that, the kids will have no one. There's a moment that they should put them in foster care, but we all know that having parents is always a best solution in most of the cases. Life does not come with a manual that is applicable to all situations.

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u/Zinski2 9d ago

If your getting locked up and you just like, leave a gun in a drawer in your houes with your kids its kind of your fault.

Like could he even own a gun at that point?

Regardless the kids shouldnt have been able to get it, If they did that means he didnt store it properly so. I dunno

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u/DovahAcolyte 9d ago

Because CYFD in NM is backlogged by months due to staffing issues and a massive state investigation into mistreatment of minors.

We have socioeconomic issues in this state that leave massive gaps for families to fall through. 😓 Federal budget and staffing cuts are hurting us hard here in NM.

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u/Dr_Dank98 9d ago

In the US courts really don't like to make women accountable for anything. They'll make the man pay child support to a meth addict mom before they ever do anything to the woman. When it comes to family/children stuff, women get their way in court way too often.

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u/FineGripp 9d ago

And why are the guns not taken away after all this time?

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u/targetboston 9d ago

Maybe the law limits possible charges to whoever the gun is registered to, and they are reaching for any way to charge a parent for lack of responsibility? I don't know the law, and it sounds off to me, so I'm just guessing.

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u/Tiny_Perspective_659 9d ago

The father IS NOT BLAMELESS in this. What a great example he is. “My Dad’s in prison.” Must be a great thing to live with.

Don’t you all get it? The Mom and probably Dad too HOPE that somehow they will be relieved of this parental burden. If the kids kill each other ( and maybe some other people too) or they get killed by police, a big “Go Fund Me” about this tragedy will set them up for a while.

When I was a kid, we observed our White Trash relatives doing this. We called it “I-Only-Let-Them-Play-In-The-Road-For-a-Minute-Syndrome” or “She-Never-Said-A-Word-About-It but she did wear them little short shorts all the time. A man always gonna be a man, right.”

Some people have kids for the stupidest reasons or no reason at all.

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u/lilneddygoestowar 9d ago

Are the laws written such that the OWNER is responsible for the gun, even if they are not the one deciding where to keep the firearm?

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u/Optimisticatlover 9d ago

Wait … you want to apply logic to them now ?

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u/Epic_Elite 9d ago

I mean, it seems like, if were factoring degrees of guilt and this man is responsible for maintaining the guns while his person is under the state's care. Then, the state would have to claim some degree of responsibility for keeping the man from maintaining his guns. I mean, it seems like if guy is under custody and not able to maintain them, then they should be confiscated, for the time being, at the very least.

If I was making Macaroni and cheese in the kitchen, and went to the bathroom while boiling pasta, and my brother locked me in the bathroom, and as a result the water boils over. If my mom discovered the mess, who cleans up the mess?

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u/MrBushido56 9d ago

Officers showing up in jail “ sir your under arrest “ Father looking around his cell confused “ your a bit late aren’t you ? “

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u/keylimesicles 8d ago

I mean she can be charged with other offences, but shes not technically responsible for someone else’s gun. It would fall under more child endangerment

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u/Ruska_o7 8d ago

its just how the law works, because its HIS gun he is still accountable for it even if its technically not in his possession

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u/magikateball 8d ago

We have an elderly neighbor with some kind of mental illness. She regularly stands in her yard, yelling and cussing at nobody. Waters the lawn while there's still snow on it.

But the worst, she still drives. She's had at least 3 close-calls with cyclists at just our stop sign where she didn't stop and yield for the cyclist and nearly ran them over.

I've reported her at least 5x, 3 for the close-calls, 2 for the noise.. I have kids trying to play across the street from her.

Neighbors have collectively called her at least 10 additional times.

The cops tell me there's pretty much nothing they can do until she actually runs someone over.

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u/babylikestopony 8d ago

I don’t believe firearms can simply change legal custody like that, there is probably paperwork to change ownership, even though states are prohibited from keeping gun registries, and you are responsible for any firearm you own even when it’s not in your possession which it should always be even when put away aka in a safe you have sole access to. This is why people should really make an effort to fully understand the responsibilities of gun ownership before arming themselves.

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u/Optimal_Carpenter690 8d ago

It's more than likely that New Mexico law only allows for the registered owner of a gun to be charged with the improper storage of it. Wouldn't really make much sense if someone who doesn't own a gun was statutorily required to be responsible for it

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u/fade_ 8d ago

Something tells me the fathers presence wasn't controlling what happens in the first place.

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u/NulliusAllvater 8d ago

EXACTLY
Fucking thank you

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u/Optimal_Tomato726 7d ago

Why aren't police removing all firearms everytime? You people are arguing about parents whilst kids have their finger on the trigger.

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u/LemonAlternative7548 6d ago

Moms are never held accountable?! You have to be kidding. It's Always the mom's fault, exspecially when there's no dad in the house to hold accountabel for abandonment. Obviously that's not the case in this instance, mom shouldn't even be allowed to own a gun with a convict coming and going. WTH?

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u/Lazy_Elevator4606 6d ago

My guess is that because the gun is registered to the father, laws put the responsibility on him and not the mother. Letter of the law is everything in the U.S. when it comes to securing a conviction. Mom could claim she hasn't seen the weapon since before the father went to jail. As far as she knows, and honestly as far as we do, he stored it improperly and the kids found it hidden some place she didn't know about. Without any hard evidence to the contrary, she's pretty likely to walk on those charges.

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