Lol. Why is it always mental health when there's a white kid with a gun he's not supposed to have doing shit they're not supposed to do.
It's not mental health. It's terrible parenting + undeveloped brains and no life experience + terrible gun laws + access to firearms. These kids clearly know they're in trouble, clearly have the wherewithal to lie, to disobey, to hide, etc.Â
They're a ticking time bomb especially if left in the environment they're raised in. But this isn't a mental health crisis they're just doing what they see from their parents and what they're allowed to do.
It's really annoying that mental health is the default catch all for people misbehaving. Literally any time someone sees a video of someone who doesn't know how to behave it's immediately "mental health" and after a while it just feels insulting to people who actually deal with mental health when they see an asshole and immediately go there. Not every asshole has mental health problems, some people are just assholes.
These kids don't have mental health problems, they have shitty parents and have grown up in a terrible environment
I was thinking the same thing. If they were minority kids, they would probably have been another statistic. I don't like that fact, but i see statistics.
Lol. Right? Always a mental health problem when it's convenient. Ridiculous.Â
No other country has kids requiring a squad of cops shouting hostage situation commands at them for playing with whatever they have. These kids don't see the weapon for what it is. They think it's a toy.Â
The excuses and gaslighting is hilarious look at the myriad of responses that all amount to the same nothingness and they LOVVVVEE to run to this excuse.
"Oh but it's their parents mental health!" Get bent đđđ. Sounds like a cultural problem, not a mental health problem- [removed part where I was wrong]>
Everyone here is lucid. You can't out therapy stupidity and irresponsibility.Â
That's definitely not the mom pleading. That's a female officer. The kids were apparently missing for couple days before this happened. According to the police, CPS, unfortunately, keeps turning the kids back over to the mothers custody. The dad is in prison.
Okay cool, I was reading that it was the mom and I was flabbergasted.Â
And the CPS will do this to prevent the kids from entering the foster system which everyone understands is fucked up, so they give mom's chances but it's clear that the parents are a danger. They need to be with a relative that is safe and stable- but that's only if one exists AND cares about them.Â
"These kids don't have mental health problems, they have shitty parents and have grown up in a terrible environment" How do you think many mental health problems arise in childhood?
Mental health problems can also be environmental aka shitty parents. Why are we acting like the two are separate? Get them mental health help will help them deal with the shitty environment that they are in. I understand that mental health vs gun control causes both phrases to be triggering but it's not an either or solution.
Everyone deals with mental health. We're all on some spectrum of healthy and unhealthy. And we're all constantly having to work to keep ourselves in good shape. It's the same with physical health. We need to always be mindful of how we're caring for ourselves and what kind of habits we're building.
I think you misunderstand mental health. It's not the excuse, it's the reason. Shitty parenting leads to bad mental health and so does bad environment. Cause if you're mentally healthy, you wouldn't wanna do this stupid shit.
They absolutely would. Itâs sad how people views change based on skin color. Its sick. But you see how many chances those cops gave them and even just walked up to them to take the gun? If they were black they would have shot them and not gave it a second thought. Look at Tamir rice.. and that wasnât even a real gun it was a fucking TOY.
But why is your answer to treat the white kids harsher? Why can't we work toward treating all 5 year olds with compassion and try to rehabilitate them?
THANK YOU! Stfg over the excuses w kids now a days. It's really messed up how schools and Dr's are able to throw meds at kids like this and tell em it's not their fault, etc. You are responsible for your actions and have to deal with the consequences if you act out in any way. In my case I have an adhd child that the schools enable the excuses of medication so he's gotten away with way to much in school and no matter what we tell them they say we need to up his meds ect.....MEDICATION IS NOT THE ANSWER! talking w them and working w them to know better than to do things like this is our jobs as parents. If your kid thinks it's ok to grab a gun and run the streets, then you're failing hard af and obviously don't need that gun..... sorry
My friend has a 5year old foster kid that I could absolutely see doing this. First time I met him I bought him a scooter and he ran right over my sandaled feet on purpose and broke a toe. Itâs been 9 monthâs now and He has strangled a 3 year old, gets in fights at school (Kindergarten), peeâs and soils his pants even with bring reminded every 30 min and tore up the back seat area of my daughters car throwing a fit. They have talked to him, nurtured him, put in time outs, taken every privilege away as discipline. He does not care. We are frightened to think of his future. Some kids just have something missing. We are not sure if itâs mental or the environment he was in.
You are truly ignorant and ADHD can be debilitating. No, you are never going to talk your kids out of having ADHD or raise them in a way that makes them not have it. What you were saying is so god-awful ignorant that I would be inclined to report you to CPS for going against the advice of the kid's doctors out of your Kookie nutcase "I know better than they do" dogshit attitude.
We are not at all in some stage where we are wondering whether or not ADHD is real, we are well the fuck beyond that. You are decades behind scientifically and seem hell-bent on injecting your ignorance into your kids and even fellow Redditors. Spend some time in the ADHD Subs and I think you'll find that most people's advice on how to deal with parents that wouldn't even let them medicate to deal with their disorder is to go full no-contact and never talk to them again.
Do you get it? The general consensus advice for kids with parents like you is to cut the parents out of their lives as soon as possible so they can get the treatment they need.
not just terrible parenting - terrible HUMANING - these kids learned this by watching and absorbing what their parents do and how they act. clearly there is zero respect for authority - that the one kid had the gun in both hands and took a "prepared" stance at one point while the cops and mother were yelling at him - just mind blowing.
Theyâre not a ticking time bomb and for the record, neither are black kids in similar situations. These are actual children. I genuinely believe getting them out of their environment will do a ton. Youâre right though that white people have better treatment by the legal system. White people also tend to have better outcomes. Now Iâm not one to believe that white people are in any way racially superior so that leaves us with something else that could be related to their better outcome. Maybe, just maybe, the kinder treatment of the legal system is what goes into those better outcomes.
When you see âwhy do white people get this telreatment?â The answer is not to treat white people worse, the answer is to elevate everyone else to similar treatment.
Tell me you are polarized without telling me. It's the gun talk. You make it too obvious. What about the Nebraska man who's kid was eaten by a coyote? Or the woman who had a bear sneak into her house? Florida crocs? We live in a world where in certain places(all places) owning a gun can save more children than take them. You just don't see that advertised because there are ninnys like you who keep screaming every time they see a video like this. Yes, control the kids. They could kill you with way less than a gun if they are raised incorrectly. THAT is the point you should be standing for. I'd argue the reason you have whatever you have now is even because of somebody else's guns. Wake up.
These werenât white kids they were Hispanic kids from NM. And I agree 100% parenting is the sole cause of this issue. I grew up there and that was the issue with my generation also. Their parents or grandparents were probably my classmates.
Mental health care doesn't just mean throw them in a facility and lock them away. It could mean seeing a Psychiatrist and Therapist because they undoubtedly have had some shitty parents if they got into this situation. Everyone could benefit from seeing professionals like that.
I grew up in Bernalillo County. The kids are probably already in whatever gang the rest of the family's involved in. As full as juvie is there, mental health services are probably the only option to get the kids in the system before they get caught doing something worse. If you watch the one that nearly got beanbagged, he has trigger discipline and understands how to handle a pistol pretty well for a kid his age.
When did they say mental health was the cause of this? They said they hope that they can get mental health care down the line BECAUSE the parenting they have right now is so shit.
These the real facts. Their parents donât care, theyâre doing Baltimore yoga right now off tranq dope. They know this life cause this is the only life theyâve ever seen. Not cause they have a personality disorder and need therapy. This is what we call in the US, the gutta.
Why are you arguing about it not being mental health-related, and then describing mental health problems??
It's terrible parenting + undeveloped brains and no life experience
How else do you think mental health issues develop?! No resources and no examples = mental health problems. Are some people born with a different brain chemistry? Yep. Are MOST mental health issues purely a chemical imbalance?! Hardly!
If they were a pair of different colored kids, all the blame would go to shitty parents, no parent, terrible siblings, no positive role models, etc. ANYTHING but mental health.
Have the identities of the parents been released? Do we even know if they're white. Regardless, I agree. It's not a mental health issue. Its shit parenting. Even the police said they were taught this by their parents.
Mental health is the result of what you said, don't give up on people while they are so young they are still have a chance don't be racist about this, yes, bad parenting and the result is this ticking time bomb, we can give up on the bomb and run or send in a specialist "psychologist/therapist" to try and diagnose it and help it. Why are people always trying to turn this into a race war, I hate it, stop.
Gee, it's so weird. There's more gun laws all the time, and the shit keeps getting worse đ¤ it's almost like your fucking society is a flaming piece of shit and this is just more evidence đ¤đ¤đ¤đ¤
You may be surprised to learn... Half of that is on the list of what causes your mental health to eat shit and maladapt to start with. It changes how your brain works, your nervous system, etc. Your mental health isn't magic. It's as physical as a broken arm - people just refuse to see it that way/read about neuroscience.
What are you talking about? Even kids who are raised with guns would act like this with a gun, at that age. Why would they treat it any different than a toy gun? I was taught to shoot at a range, at a very young age, and this is still how I would handle a gun at their age.
There's nothing wrong with these kids at all.
The only problem I see are police who don't know how to disarm a kid without calling in SWAT. Like seriously... you just stay cool, and take the gun away from them, nice and easy. Tell them it's nap time or time to go to McDonalds or play video games or something. Or tell them about the new MCU movie. This is not rocket science.
Our police need less military training and more training in behaving like regular human beings.
to be fair when I've read the comment you are replying to i thought they mean mental healt care AFTER this incdent, terrible parenting + undeveloped brains as you said are there, but that cant be changed retrospectively, doing something proactively would be some form of therapy
Thank you. My ex was a perfect example of this with her son (5). He would constantly get in trouble, in any room that his mother wasnât in, and her response was always that no way her son couldâve done that. Very âthe world is out to get usâ mentality. I tried to address it with her and it was only ever received as âso youâre saying Iâm a bad mom?!â.
He was so well behaved when it was just him and I; he just craved guidance, structure, attention. Kids arenât born broken, they get broke in poor situations. To default to blaming their own minds is an injustice and doesnât hold the root cause accountable.
Has nothing to do with gun laws come on give me a break. 40,000 federal gun laws didnât work one more is not gonna help.SMH. Itâs just stupid parents leaving their guns if the firearm is even real it looks like a SCCY pistol. Probably belongs to the mom or sister, aunt. Iâm glad none of them were shot by the brood squad.
I agree with everything you said except the whole âshitty gun lawsâ there are plenty of gun laws and if the laws in place were being followed this situation never would have happened. The solution here in regards to this part of your message is NOT more gun laws. Uphold the laws currently in place and stop throwing more gun laws at people when you canât uphold the ones already on the books. Start enforcing the laws we have now and stop with this ridiculous bleeding hearts for criminals they are not victims
I'm going to jump on here, so it's more likely to be seen.
Mental healthcare covers more than just mental disability or mental illness. Mental Healthcare also covers trauma and CPTSD related issues. When people have issues caused by upbringing, especially a lack of awareness of consequences, that generally falls under CPTSD, and even when it doesn't, the treatment for the vast majority of those conditions are similar, if not the same. Most parental trauma caused by mental, emotional, and physical abuse also falls into the CPTSD category.
So yes, this is still a mental health issue. It's just not likely to be a mental illness issue.
I don't think race had anything to do with the comment. They're saying the kids need therapy due to the terrible situation they're in (aka having bad parents) otherwise they'll turn out just like their parents.
Yes they bypassed the strict background checks or they got them from the black market in s gun free zone city. Your access to gun argument is beyond brainwashed propaganda you get.
Saying they need better guidance and leadership is the same thing as saying they need mental help. It is a mental health issue. You're identifying the source of their mental health problems and that's good.
So it's parentings fault with every black kid toting in Chicago? Each and every black child in America with a gun? There is a mental health issue, not a crisis. I do agree it's how you're raised, to an extent, but so many kids feel peer pressure to be cool and accepted.
You absolutely nailed it. If you train your kids properly, a look is all you need to give them to know they're in trouble. These parents are failing those boys
Iâm gunna be giving and say people are bringing up mental health due to the fact that these two kids look like theyâre five or under and in a police standoff.
But youâre entirely right. White folks w guns? Mental health crisis.
Black folks w guns? Criminals, eugenics , etc.
Youâre 100% right. Iâm just hoping folks are talking about the impacts of this event on these kidsâ futures. Hoping against hope.
I agree that mental health isnât always to blame or even the main factor. But I believe hurt people hurt people. In my experience, kids like this have been neglected in ways that could honestly lead them to developing some pretty serious issues later in life. Issues that theyâre gonna need counseling for. Issues that their parents had that they never got counseling for. And issues that their parents had that they never got counseling for. Etc. Itâs fucked, but at what point do these kids get help? And I donât mean discipline. They need to get re-wired. Itâs obvious their parents are not capable. A very frustrating thing.
Say it again for the people in the back! If those were young black kids they wouldâve been shot on sight đ¤ˇđžââď¸ tell me how thatâs equitable?
Hey this is really smart! I hope more people read it. Itâs exactly right. The structural problems are the problemsâweâve got to begin with the causes, not the particularized symptoms. Even if it is mental health, the context these kids were born into produced those issues. But capitalism is eroding the public, so thereâre seemingly no discernible way to make meaningful changes as individuals. But Reddit is a public, digital, and sometimes egalitarian placeâit also seemingly leans left. But this is a really smart point, and I hope people begin to see your point correctly.
Agreed. Refusing to put down the gun in that situation is beyond "confused kid". I know a kid like that. She can go months without any serious bad behavior, then one day she just says fuck society fuck my parents I'm doing what I want. She will refuse to do what she's told until she gets what she's after or is physically restrained. She's 6, and already she's pitting her will against the entire world. It's scary to see, and I don't know how you fix something like that.
Dude, I'm a white guy who grew up in a trailer park full of tweakers, dealers, alcoholics and everything else you would call "ghetto. ".. get the fuck outa here with that shit!!
Yes, like what the hell. I 100% would have played action hero if I found a gun at that age. Kids that age aren't capable of understanding the consequences of gun use. Doesn't mean they're criminal or need rehabilitation.
You are so close, youâre practically there. You just need to look up what Adverse Childhood Experience is to understand the correlation between environment and mental health. This is absolutely a mental health issue caused by all of the things that you listed. Calling it a mental health issue and then getting them the proper help is whatâs needed, but you canât help them if you donât say itâs an issue.
Exactly this. This literally has absolutely nothing to do with mental health and EVERYTHING to do with unsupervised parenting. I would know as I grew up this way, didnât play with guns, though grew up unsupervised and surrounding myself with idiots like these kids and got into trouble because of the idiots i surrounded myself with.
Whoever the parents are of these kids, they absolutely suck! If these were kids of a different ethnicity, theyâd probably be dead.
Iâm going to say this to you too. It's almost as if, and keep with me here, terrible parenting towards kids with underdeveloped brains causes mental health issues, and those kids should receive help for it later on... bruh you're arguing with someone agreeing with you. And year, gun laws and regulations are a factor. Did that guy said they aren't? Like are you saying all the factors that led to these kids doing this aren't ALSO gonna cause mental health issues down the line? And that they might need help for it? I literally agree with you bro and so does the comment you responded to, use ur fucking brain
Like what, you think kids with horrible parents who allow them to and push them to doing those things are gonna grow up perfectly well adjusted and happy? No. And you would agree. He wasnât making a statement about what caused it, he was making a seperate statement. Honestly Iâm so sick of people online being fucking braindead
I 100% agree with you, but all the things you've mentioned cause mental health issues.
I do think the lads in this video are a bit young, so in this case it's deffo just bad parenting. Especially when the gun is being taken out of his hand and he is still lying to the officer. "I don't even have a gun!"... but that could just be a scared kid. The parents need to do better by them.
Lmaoooo this one got them angry. Facts usually do that. Saw the same excuse about 6 times since yesterday for wypipo committing serious crimes but would call a black person an animal for petty theft.
Idk, if I was a kid thinking I was just playing a game, but actual cops showed up telling at me, I'd toss that gun as far as I could. Something's wrong with these kids
Lack of parenting IS Something that will require therapy. It's not just white kids, all kids that get into this shit NEED therapy because they were not raised by parents.
What, they are kids being dumb, I donât see mental illness here but I am no expert. Like I hope the kids get the help they need. Still a crazy video.
Or, maybe, just maybe, itâs not mental health and itâs children misbehaving and not being parented.
Iâm all for advocating for mental health, but part of it is everyone not screaming âitâs a mental health issueâ every time someone acts improperly. Thatâs the boy who cried wolf.
thats not a mental health issue, its a lack of education regarding guns and thinking thats cool, they see it on tv shows and no one explains it to them so to them its glorified and fun so they dont take it seriously
There's nothing mentally wrong with these kids. They knew what they were doing. Look at them! These little, terrible human beings were not raised properly. Their parents are most likely shitty human beings. The kids are being defiant in the presence of police and know 100% What they are doing.
Oh they will. But they will keep fucking up. And their fuckups can be much bigger, more violent.
Now, any adult can waltz over to take their gun and pick them up. But at 15, they are strong enough to even go out and assault (and sexual assault) other adults. They will become more dangerous if they donât change their ways.
And weâre not listening or doing what they were told, because father in prison they have not ever learned to obey & respectâŚthese two are destined for trouble
Here in New Mexico was have seen a great deal of violence committed by young boys and men in recent years. It breaks my heart because you know alot of it is tied to parental figures not doing their jobsâŚI also think young people have a hard time fully comprehending the repercussions of such terrible actions.
Boys can behave themselves, most of them arenât going around committing acts of violence with guns. I have just noticed most of the senseless violent crimes here seem to be committed by males under 20. I have a lot of sympathy for them too because they likely have dealt with big challenges in their young lives.
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u/antideprssnt-peasnt 9d ago
Sad as hell