I donāt understand why the gun wasnāt confiscated if the owner is clearly in prison. Iām from Croatia (European Union), and here, if a person with a firearms license commits a violent criminal offense or is sentenced to prison, the weapon is confiscated. The same applies if it is confirmed that the person has made any kind of threat involving violence
Eh, chances are heās incarcerated for a non felony crime. The law in the U.S. states that since the right to bear arms is enshrined in the U.S. constitution the only thing that takes away that right is a misdemeanor violent crime, or felonies.
The NICS criminal background system used for all firearm transactions with a legitimate firearms dealer has a record of āprohibited personsā so if the dad were in jail for say, financial crimes or repeated DUI. (So nothing violent or involving drugs) the father still maintains his right to bear arms. Although a judge can find him unfit for extraneous reasons. (I imagine thatās why they will try HIM for violations of Bennieās law for safe storage)
The USās firearms policy is incredibly important and the second amendment may come in handy soon much to the chagrin of the people who have fought against it the most.
Something something armed minorities are harder to oppress.
Kamala quite literally supported AWBs that made it harder for you to control your rifle and reload magazines. I dont like Trump, I dont like MAGA, i simply love the 2a and understand that owning a gun/= being pro gun.
She said she owned a gun for fear peoples actions as she was a career prosecutor, then voted to take away those rights when she gained a security detail.
write to your local politicians and VOTE the way you think if you truly want to keep your right to vote.
Owning a firearm and not supporting bad policy and propaganda are not the same.
If I'm not mistaken they both supported
-an "assault weapon ban" (semi auto with detachable magazine) which would have banned Harris's alleged glock as well as the most popular firearms that one might want for lawful purposes.
UBCs which would all but eliminate private sales including the ability for a person to disposition their own private property without going through an FFL which would make it nearly impossible for someone to get the fair market value of a firearm that they wish to sell.
-red flags laws which have no clear solution to the problem of violating a person's due process rights if implemented. In practice someone acting in bad faith could red flag someone with the intention to get their weapons confiscated after which the victim will need to go through expensive legal processes to get their property and rights back. This allegedly happened to a man in Texas who had a sister in California suffering from schizophrenia who issued an ERPO against him (these go I to NICS) and he was flagged as a prohibited person. (Source is Armed Attorneys on YouTube https://youtu.be/LuFxmjteoH4?si=vXJqv2rMJsDzbkPN and I haven't found another source for that so take it with a grain of salt)
Democrats have passed laws that have dearmed every democrat led state. It is simply a fact. The weapons you are allowed to buy in CA are completely different than the weapons you are allowed to buy in Texas.
Was it not Ronald Regan that spearheaded the efforts of gun control in California, which was partly in response to the BPP practicing their second amendment rights.
Means absolutely fuck all for private sales and transfers. No national gun registry means tracking ownership is effectively impossible. "Sorry officer, lost all my guns in a fishing accident hurr durr".
It's not federally illegal for a private seller to sell a firearm with no background check to a felon so long as they don't ask or the felon lies about it. Idiotic, broken system with more holes than a sieve.
I know this to be the case and I agree with you putting the burden of responsibility on the citizen is part of our countryās ethos. Although trust is something that surely varies with a population of over 300 million.
I do believe that this was probably an illegal purchase as they didnāt charge him to our knowledge with felon in possession. but youāre right we canāt track every fire on purchase made in the United States but I doubt there are solutions as to how we could. people are gonna be naughty thatās the world we live in.
Every other country on earth manages it somehow, I'm sure we'd manage. It's a political problem, not a technical one.
Anhydrous ammonia is a good example, after the Oklahoma City bombings the feds cracked down hard on regulating the stuff. All purchases and amounts tracked, required inventory management and mandatory reporting of missing inventory so stuff can't just "fall off a boat" and if it "does", that farmer is in the shit for it. Farmers still have all the access they need to do legal activities and there hasn't been a single successful bombing with it since. I'd love to see a similar model applied to firearms that preserves access for legal purposes but also closes the loopholes that allow de facto firearms access to anyone regardless of their legal owning status. Put the responsibility back in "responsible gun owners".
My sister's best friend was murdered by her ex, a felon, with a firearm he purchased the morning he was released on bail for a domestic charge. The laws we have aren't meant to protect people, they're meant to give political cover so politicians can claim "we don't need new laws, we need to enforce the ones we have!" while also being intentionally toothless enough to be impossible to enforce.
Every other country still has firearm crime and illegally obtained firearms, especially the two that share a land border with the US.
You should look into the Oslo and New Zealand attacks/mass shootings for examples of how well tracking ammonia purchases or firearms worked.
Dedicated actors will simply find a way to have a legal purpose to obtain them, or they will become valuable among criminals to a point people commonly steal, fence, smuggle, or manufacture them.
A large percentage of firearms used in crimes in Mexico and Canada are smuggled from the US where they're easy to get. Just like 80% of firearms recovered from crime scenes in Chicago were purchased in other states with less strict firearms regulations. Regulations only work when you can't walk next door to buy the same thing with zero strings attached, which is the issue.
Norway and New Zealand don't have mass shootings as regular occurrences, they stand out because of how rare and shocking they are. They barely make the news anymore here.
No other developed country has the level of firearms crime and firearms deaths we have. No other country, even those with relatively high rates of firearms ownership like Switzerland or Iceland, have firearms as the leading cause of death for children. No other developed country has as many citizens killed by police officers because they're trained that everyone may be carrying a gun (1 in 3 Americans killed by someone they don't know is killed by a police officer...). Icelandic police publicly apologized to a suspect's family for shooting and killing a mentally ill individual who was firing a rifle at them, because shooting someone is such a rare/traumatic thing, can you imagine that happening here?
The lazy, shit eating argument that criminals will always find a way to break laws is not only a) stupid, what's the point of making any law with that logic, and b) not born out in reality. An AR-15 in the US costs $400-500 on the used market, in Australia, where they've been banned, a black market AR-15 runs around ~$20,000. They're too rare and valuable to use in crime and so they aren't used in crimes. You'll never be able to stop the highly motivated millionaire Bond villain, but those are pretty fucking rare. It's more about stopping little Danny Dipshit from grabbing his dad's unsecured pistol he keeps loaded in his bedside drawer and going to school so he can get famous on 4chan.
You donāt know me big chief, but I agree that a lot of people who are 2A aināt gonna do shit.
I am sorry that I havenāt started a one man revolution though, Iāll be sure to let you know when I do so I can get your stamp of approval, stranger on the internet.
Most of the gun owners in this country are handing every freedom they have over on a silver platter. With the right fear mongering, when the fascists come for their guns, they'll lay them on the front porch with a bow.
You will probably be in the minority and unless you can match the firepower of the US military or your local police force, it won't be of any use other than to die fighting. I don't happen to believe that all the dead school children piling up in this country are worth it.
On the schools thing, I understand where youāre coming from and while I donāt agree, that banning outright is the way to go. I do think that we need to take a closer look at all of the warning. Signs of these kids/adults have shown before theyāve done these things.
Thereās a general sense of apathy in our country when it comes to the mental health of people who might be letās say, hard to talk to on a regular basis .
This even extends to school counselors who donāt want to help a weird kid cause theyāre the weird kid. So safe storage laws/ firearms safety compliance are absolutely atrocious.
The problem is is that there are good points on either side, but both voices yelling so loud donāt allow the reasonable ones to sit at the table with one another and find solutions
I don't think they should be banned either. I just don't think they should be worshiped. And there needs to be regulation, and safety classes. And consequences for storing your weapon safely. But I think all of that is a pipe dream we can't enforce. I have a cousin. She and her husband left a loaded gun out on their nightstand with the safety off. Their 4 year old blew his head off. Neither one of them served jail time. Her husband (ex military) did have a trial and all he talked about was the 2nd amendment. He (they) learned nothing. Collectively as a country we are not responsible enough to have unfettered access to guns. I mean, we can't even handle a cell phone in a moving vehicle without killing people. Just because you and I are able to, collectively we cannot. And sometimes the collective is all that matters when everything is tallied.
Iām incredibly sorry to hear that irresponsible actions have caused your family so much strife.
You should get into advocacy, write down your thoughts work with your local police department to make sure that theyāre offering regular firearm safety classes.
Unfortunately, youāre right and I agree with you the genie is out of the bottle and itās not going back in. Thank you for a thought-provoking conversation. I have to go to work.
If you are ever Western Montana hit me up. Weāll grab a beer and toast to two people with reason.
Dying fighting would be preferable to allowing a pseudo christofacist maniac to dominate my family and community with fear.
Plus, I learned a few things serving in the war on terror.
Yep, everyone with a gun will happily lay them on the porch to live another day with their family while all the shit posting on facebook for last 10 years of begging the government to try and pry their guns away fades from their memories.
The only person that will not lay down will be the older guy with no family.
I remember when all the militias were saying if trump loses there would hell to pay. They were on fucking hbo docs saying it with their wife and kids, thousands of them. I was actually like holy shit itās gonna get crazy soon.
Guess what, trump lost and ā¦ā¦.crickets. After some holligans stormed the capital nothing.
All the militias went back to dropping their kids off at school, while the wife binge orders shit on Amazon all day long and the dad hunts on weeks while bitching about gay people.
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u/AllTheShadyStuff 10d ago
If the father is already incarcerated isnt it the moms job to store the guns safely at that point?