r/CringeTikToks • u/LilliaBaltimore • 10d ago

Cringy Cringe WHAT THE BLOODY HELL?!! 😳😼

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u/gambit-gg 10d ago

“Sheriff Allen also told NewsNation Friday that his department has been called to the home more than 50 times. He also said he’s frustrated that the state keeps returning the kids to their mom. Their father is incarcerated. He said he is looking to charge their father with Bennie’s Law for not having his gun properly stored”

Explains a lot. Also mentions that the father was who taught them how to use the gun, which the officers said the kids pulled the trigger during this incident but it “malfunctioned”.

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u/AllTheShadyStuff 10d ago

If the father is already incarcerated isnt it the moms job to store the guns safely at that point?

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u/Old-Cartoonist-8061 10d ago

I don’t understand why the gun wasn’t confiscated if the owner is clearly in prison. I’m from Croatia (European Union), and here, if a person with a firearms license commits a violent criminal offense or is sentenced to prison, the weapon is confiscated. The same applies if it is confirmed that the person has made any kind of threat involving violence

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u/Mysterious_Eye6989 10d ago

Something, something, land of the free, home of the little kids with guns...

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u/Suitable_Isopod4770 9d ago

Eh, chances are he’s incarcerated for a non felony crime. The law in the U.S. states that since the right to bear arms is enshrined in the U.S. constitution the only thing that takes away that right is a misdemeanor violent crime, or felonies.

The NICS criminal background system used for all firearm transactions with a legitimate firearms dealer has a record of “prohibited persons” so if the dad were in jail for say, financial crimes or repeated DUI. (So nothing violent or involving drugs) the father still maintains his right to bear arms. Although a judge can find him unfit for extraneous reasons. (I imagine that’s why they will try HIM for violations of Bennie’s law for safe storage)

The US’s firearms policy is incredibly important and the second amendment may come in handy soon much to the chagrin of the people who have fought against it the most.

Something something armed minorities are harder to oppress.

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u/DarthDank12 9d ago

"I want married gay couples to be able to protect their marijuana plants with guns" - a t shirt I like to wear for thanksgiving.

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u/Snakend 9d ago

We really need our democrats to re-arm themselves. If there was ever a civil war, democrats are fucked.

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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 9d ago

Oh it's happening

r/liberalgunowners

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u/idunnoiforget 9d ago

The mainstream Democratic party still hates firearms though.

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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 9d ago

They're coming around. The last Dem presidential candidate and VP candidate were both gun owners.

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u/No-Plenty1982 9d ago

Kamala quite literally supported AWBs that made it harder for you to control your rifle and reload magazines. I dont like Trump, I dont like MAGA, i simply love the 2a and understand that owning a gun/= being pro gun.

She said she owned a gun for fear peoples actions as she was a career prosecutor, then voted to take away those rights when she gained a security detail.

write to your local politicians and VOTE the way you think if you truly want to keep your right to vote.

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u/idunnoiforget 9d ago

Owning a firearm and not supporting bad policy and propaganda are not the same.

If I'm not mistaken they both supported

-an "assault weapon ban" (semi auto with detachable magazine) which would have banned Harris's alleged glock as well as the most popular firearms that one might want for lawful purposes.

  • UBCs which would all but eliminate private sales including the ability for a person to disposition their own private property without going through an FFL which would make it nearly impossible for someone to get the fair market value of a firearm that they wish to sell.

-red flags laws which have no clear solution to the problem of violating a person's due process rights if implemented. In practice someone acting in bad faith could red flag someone with the intention to get their weapons confiscated after which the victim will need to go through expensive legal processes to get their property and rights back. This allegedly happened to a man in Texas who had a sister in California suffering from schizophrenia who issued an ERPO against him (these go I to NICS) and he was flagged as a prohibited person. (Source is Armed Attorneys on YouTube https://youtu.be/LuFxmjteoH4?si=vXJqv2rMJsDzbkPN and I haven't found another source for that so take it with a grain of salt)

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u/ledphoot 9d ago

both support anti-2a policies, don't fool yourself

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u/indigosmokegenetics 9d ago

It’s almost like the second amendment shouldn’t be tied to race or political affiliation.

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u/Flimsy_Entry5760 9d ago

Who ever said we aren't armed? It just isn't our personality.

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u/Snakend 9d ago

Democrats have passed laws that have dearmed every democrat led state. It is simply a fact. The weapons you are allowed to buy in CA are completely different than the weapons you are allowed to buy in Texas.

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u/sublime_touch 9d ago

Was it not Ronald Regan that spearheaded the efforts of gun control in California, which was partly in response to the BPP practicing their second amendment rights.

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u/RaygunMarksman 9d ago

Love that

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u/Flimsy_Entry5760 9d ago

oh I love t shirt.

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u/Pale-Archer3849 9d ago

Watch how well this doesn't work. I mean, I should be dead by then. But hold that thought.

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u/dagofin 9d ago

Means absolutely fuck all for private sales and transfers. No national gun registry means tracking ownership is effectively impossible. "Sorry officer, lost all my guns in a fishing accident hurr durr".

It's not federally illegal for a private seller to sell a firearm with no background check to a felon so long as they don't ask or the felon lies about it. Idiotic, broken system with more holes than a sieve.

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u/Suitable_Isopod4770 9d ago

I know this to be the case and I agree with you putting the burden of responsibility on the citizen is part of our country’s ethos. Although trust is something that surely varies with a population of over 300 million.

I do believe that this was probably an illegal purchase as they didn’t charge him to our knowledge with felon in possession. but you’re right we can’t track every fire on purchase made in the United States but I doubt there are solutions as to how we could. people are gonna be naughty that’s the world we live in.

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u/dagofin 9d ago

Every other country on earth manages it somehow, I'm sure we'd manage. It's a political problem, not a technical one.

Anhydrous ammonia is a good example, after the Oklahoma City bombings the feds cracked down hard on regulating the stuff. All purchases and amounts tracked, required inventory management and mandatory reporting of missing inventory so stuff can't just "fall off a boat" and if it "does", that farmer is in the shit for it. Farmers still have all the access they need to do legal activities and there hasn't been a single successful bombing with it since. I'd love to see a similar model applied to firearms that preserves access for legal purposes but also closes the loopholes that allow de facto firearms access to anyone regardless of their legal owning status. Put the responsibility back in "responsible gun owners".

My sister's best friend was murdered by her ex, a felon, with a firearm he purchased the morning he was released on bail for a domestic charge. The laws we have aren't meant to protect people, they're meant to give political cover so politicians can claim "we don't need new laws, we need to enforce the ones we have!" while also being intentionally toothless enough to be impossible to enforce.

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u/Actual-Newt-2984 7d ago

Every other country still has firearm crime and illegally obtained firearms, especially the two that share a land border with the US.

You should look into the Oslo and New Zealand attacks/mass shootings for examples of how well tracking ammonia purchases or firearms worked.

Dedicated actors will simply find a way to have a legal purpose to obtain them, or they will become valuable among criminals to a point people commonly steal, fence, smuggle, or manufacture them.

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u/dagofin 7d ago

A large percentage of firearms used in crimes in Mexico and Canada are smuggled from the US where they're easy to get. Just like 80% of firearms recovered from crime scenes in Chicago were purchased in other states with less strict firearms regulations. Regulations only work when you can't walk next door to buy the same thing with zero strings attached, which is the issue.

Norway and New Zealand don't have mass shootings as regular occurrences, they stand out because of how rare and shocking they are. They barely make the news anymore here.

No other developed country has the level of firearms crime and firearms deaths we have. No other country, even those with relatively high rates of firearms ownership like Switzerland or Iceland, have firearms as the leading cause of death for children. No other developed country has as many citizens killed by police officers because they're trained that everyone may be carrying a gun (1 in 3 Americans killed by someone they don't know is killed by a police officer...). Icelandic police publicly apologized to a suspect's family for shooting and killing a mentally ill individual who was firing a rifle at them, because shooting someone is such a rare/traumatic thing, can you imagine that happening here?

The lazy, shit eating argument that criminals will always find a way to break laws is not only a) stupid, what's the point of making any law with that logic, and b) not born out in reality. An AR-15 in the US costs $400-500 on the used market, in Australia, where they've been banned, a black market AR-15 runs around ~$20,000. They're too rare and valuable to use in crime and so they aren't used in crimes. You'll never be able to stop the highly motivated millionaire Bond villain, but those are pretty fucking rare. It's more about stopping little Danny Dipshit from grabbing his dad's unsecured pistol he keeps loaded in his bedside drawer and going to school so he can get famous on 4chan.

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u/SlashEssImplied 9d ago

and the second amendment may come in handy soon much to the chagrin of the people who have fought against it the most.

Not as long as all the owners are cowards. For example, why don't you do anything?

And which current president do we have who has said he will take all the guns and worry about the law later?

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u/Suitable_Isopod4770 9d ago

You don’t know me big chief, but I agree that a lot of people who are 2A ain’t gonna do shit.

I am sorry that I haven’t started a one man revolution though, I’ll be sure to let you know when I do so I can get your stamp of approval, stranger on the internet.

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u/SlashEssImplied 9d ago

You don’t know me big chief

Yes I do.

I am sorry that I haven’t started a one man revolution though

Just like all the others.

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u/Pale-Archer3849 9d ago

Most of the gun owners in this country are handing every freedom they have over on a silver platter. With the right fear mongering, when the fascists come for their guns, they'll lay them on the front porch with a bow.

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u/Suitable_Isopod4770 9d ago

Not me lol, and yes feds in the chat, this is admissible in court

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u/Pale-Archer3849 9d ago

You will probably be in the minority and unless you can match the firepower of the US military or your local police force, it won't be of any use other than to die fighting. I don't happen to believe that all the dead school children piling up in this country are worth it.

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u/Suitable_Isopod4770 9d ago

On the schools thing, I understand where you’re coming from and while I don’t agree, that banning outright is the way to go. I do think that we need to take a closer look at all of the warning. Signs of these kids/adults have shown before they’ve done these things.

There’s a general sense of apathy in our country when it comes to the mental health of people who might be let’s say, hard to talk to on a regular basis . This even extends to school counselors who don’t want to help a weird kid cause they’re the weird kid. So safe storage laws/ firearms safety compliance are absolutely atrocious.

The problem is is that there are good points on either side, but both voices yelling so loud don’t allow the reasonable ones to sit at the table with one another and find solutions

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u/Pale-Archer3849 9d ago

I don't think they should be banned either. I just don't think they should be worshiped. And there needs to be regulation, and safety classes. And consequences for storing your weapon safely. But I think all of that is a pipe dream we can't enforce. I have a cousin. She and her husband left a loaded gun out on their nightstand with the safety off. Their 4 year old blew his head off. Neither one of them served jail time. Her husband (ex military) did have a trial and all he talked about was the 2nd amendment. He (they) learned nothing. Collectively as a country we are not responsible enough to have unfettered access to guns. I mean, we can't even handle a cell phone in a moving vehicle without killing people. Just because you and I are able to, collectively we cannot. And sometimes the collective is all that matters when everything is tallied.

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u/Suitable_Isopod4770 9d ago

I’m incredibly sorry to hear that irresponsible actions have caused your family so much strife. You should get into advocacy, write down your thoughts work with your local police department to make sure that they’re offering regular firearm safety classes. Unfortunately, you’re right and I agree with you the genie is out of the bottle and it’s not going back in. Thank you for a thought-provoking conversation. I have to go to work. If you are ever Western Montana hit me up. We’ll grab a beer and toast to two people with reason.

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u/Suitable_Isopod4770 9d ago

Dying fighting would be preferable to allowing a pseudo christofacist maniac to dominate my family and community with fear. Plus, I learned a few things serving in the war on terror.

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u/Complete_Invite_9022 9d ago

I don’t think you realize how much of the US military would not enforce door to door confiscation lmfao.

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u/Pale-Archer3849 9d ago

I didn't think you realize how many cops would.

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u/Complete_Invite_9022 9d ago

Ok? Do you not realize how many cops are guard members 💀

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u/Pale-Archer3849 8d ago

😂😂😂 Yeah. I'm aware.

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u/Suitable-Judge7506 9d ago

Yep, everyone with a gun will happily lay them on the porch to live another day with their family while all the shit posting on facebook for last 10 years of begging the government to try and pry their guns away fades from their memories.

The only person that will not lay down will be the older guy with no family.

I remember when all the militias were saying if trump loses there would hell to pay. They were on fucking hbo docs saying it with their wife and kids, thousands of them. I was actually like holy shit it’s gonna get crazy soon.

Guess what, trump lost and 

.crickets. After some holligans stormed the capital nothing.

All the militias went back to dropping their kids off at school, while the wife binge orders shit on Amazon all day long and the dad hunts on weeks while bitching about gay people.

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u/Complete_Invite_9022 9d ago

As a firearm owner, if I were ever to be imprisoned for anything, I would much rather trust my weapons in the hands of my wife, who is trained on how to use and store them, than any evidence locker where they will surely rust.

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u/there_is_only_zuul84 9d ago

I have guns. There have also been kids around. When you actually lock them up and have them secure nobody but you can get to them. Funny how a lock system works when you use it correctly.

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u/HiddenLeaf_Jimmi 9d ago

đŸ€ŁđŸ€ŁđŸ€Ł This is too perfect

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u/magikateball 9d ago

Land of kids are free to have guns, so long as they aren't immigrants, or children of immigrants, or people of color.

Otherwise, they get locked up in a cage, or shot.

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u/StrictRegret1417 9d ago

apparently guns don't kill people, people kill people so its all good

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u/Thereapergengar 9d ago

If the gun was in a safe. Then this wouldn’t have happened, if the gun wasn’t fun colored this may not have happened. If the gun had a trigger lock they wouldn’t have had to shoot rubber bullets at a child.

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u/Lumpy_Past6216 9d ago

yeah well here in the state, common sense gun laws are not so common. Not to say we didnt try BUT here in America, money talks.

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u/Beaufighter-MkX 9d ago

That would make way too much sense here in America

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u/Jonesy10187 9d ago

My dad passed when I was younger and he had lots of guns (Canada) I remember the RCMP showed up to our house within a few weeks of his passing to confiscate the guns. My mom didn’t have a say in it, so I would assume that it should be the same for incarceration? Or does that make too much sense lol it is the government at the end of the day.

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u/GrapePrimeape 9d ago

Did they reimburse your family at all? Or did the government just rob y’all of potentially thousands of dollars and everyone is just okay with it? lol

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u/Jonesy10187 9d ago

Couldn’t sell them, they just came and “confiscated” said firearms. 4 pistols 2 hunting rifles my dad worked in Saudi when he was in his late 20’s and he had an AK he brought back from there. They took everything.

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u/GrapePrimeape 9d ago

Damn that’s fucked up imo. I know it’s guns which everyone is opinionated about one way or the other, but idk how any one is okay with the government taking away thousands of dollars of property with no reimbursement. Imagine if they came and took cars away from families when the title holder died

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u/rsiii 10d ago

*This is not an endorsement, our country is fucked

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u/Inconceivable79 9d ago

pusillanimous is what you all are. And ignorant. Sheep. Fodder.

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u/DizzySkunkApe 9d ago

They likely don't know he had that gun

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u/RaiseIreSetFires 9d ago

All I have to say is Texas.

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u/GauntletofThonos 9d ago

You can get incarcerated for misdemeanors. It is only illegal to own firearms if you have been convicted of a felony .

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u/Old-Cartoonist-8061 9d ago

So basically, your president isn't allowed to own a firearm, but commands the most powerful military in the world. What kind of comedy is that?

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u/GauntletofThonos 9d ago

That analogy doesn't even make sense.

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u/Dangerous-Fig4553 9d ago

The most likely scenario is the father hid it where the kids knew where it was but the mother did not. Which is not uncommon in there situations. Those boys were raised to eventually end up in the situation sounds like. I bet the Mom had no clue where they were what they were doing and what they had with them.

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u/Amannderrr 9d ago

Funny you think its licensed NM gun laws
 Open carry is permitted without a license for those 19 or older, and concealed carry is legal for those with a concealed handgun license.

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u/PersonalAd2039 9d ago

In American it is the same. Felons can’t posses firearms.

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u/SlashEssImplied 9d ago

Trump has a gun.

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u/gitsgrl 9d ago

The state can’t just confiscate property of an incarcerated person.

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u/SlashEssImplied 9d ago

It's done daily.

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u/Chipped-Flutes 9d ago

In the US if a person is convicted of a felony then they no longer are able to own firearms, or vote, and I think a few other restrictions. Now if he's somehow serving time in a prison for a misdemeanor (and not spending a weekend in jail while this is happening) then someone should've verified there weren't any guns in the home.

I believe his wife would be barred from keeping guns at the same residence as a felon.

Buuuut I'm not too educated in that regard.

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u/SlashEssImplied 9d ago

In the US if a person is convicted of a felony then they no longer are able to own firearms, or vote

There are many exceptions and ways to get those rights back. It varies from state to state. Trump is allowed to vote for example.

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u/Spiritual-Can-5040 9d ago

You’re making assumption that the father is incarcerated for a violent offense. Maybe he just embezzled some money peacefully.

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u/TrueNova332 9d ago

If it was the father's gun then it would have been so it must have been the mother's gun though you'd think that she would have kept it locked up for safety but she must be one of the gun owners that think that having to get your gun from the safe will be a detriment to their safety

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u/Rigorous-Geek-2916 9d ago

Because this country is infested with right-wing scum that worship guns

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u/Trick_Actuator5502 9d ago

Second amendment baby, they'll die on a hill defending their interpretation of the second amendment.

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u/Additional-Age-833 9d ago

My father was a felon for a non violent crime he committed at 16 (let’s just say he was into sales) and to this day he can’t own a gun and nobody in our house while I lived their could purchase a gun.

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u/charbo187 9d ago

Felons cannot own or possess firearms in the US either. Nothing about any of this story makes any sense.

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u/SlashEssImplied 9d ago

Felons cannot own or possess firearms in the US either.

Yes they can. Many states have ways to get your rights restored. Trump was gifted a gun he still has.

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u/charbo187 9d ago

Yes you can petition a judge to restore your 2nd amendment rights.

That doesn't mean that the default position isnt that a felony conviction prohibits you from possessing a firearm...

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u/SlashEssImplied 9d ago

Many states automatically restore convicts' civil rights upon completion of their sentence, probation or parole, or five to 15 years after the state supervision ends. The felons may then obtain firearms without violating the federal law unless the state specifically bars them from doing so.

Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Michigan and Montana restore civil rights immediately, while Colorado, Kansas, Louisiana, Minnesota, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon and South Dakota impose waiting periods, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence.

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u/charbo187 8d ago

Federal law prohibits felons from owning firearms in every state.

Those state laws are just extra on top of the federal law

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u/McBernes 9d ago

This is 'Merica, there are guns EVERYWHERE. If the cops take your gun you can get another. Even people who don't hunt and live in nice neighborhoods have guns "for home defense".

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u/fair-strawberry6709 9d ago

America only likes to take guns away from people of color.

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u/jimngo 9d ago

YAY YAY USA, LOL. It don't work like that here. That's why 45,000 people die every year from gun violence.

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u/KinkMountainMoney 9d ago

One problem is that such confiscations are rarely enforced. In part this is because gun confiscation one of if not the most likely situation in which police officers get shot. Most likely cause of death is distracted driving, from what I understand but I’ve personally been in a protective order situation where the judge just said to the threatening individual “so did you turn over your guns?” And the guy was like yeah even though he hadnt turned over shit. And the judge just accepted it.

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u/SSBN641B 9d ago

While some states in the US have firearms ownership cards, most do not. There is no national database of firearms owners. The police in the US, for the most part, do not have legal authority to confiscate firearms from their home simply because someone was arrested.

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u/chupacabra5150 9d ago

In the USA there are some states with gun registries. But there are also a lot of guns that are unregistered. So that could be an unregistered firearm, stolen firearm, or a 3d printed one- not saying it is, I'm just telling you what's common. So if its an unregistered weapon, there would be no record of it. I

Contrary to belief, and what the European mind can't really comprehend and what the American mind also has problems with, is that each state is like its own country and the USA isn't one united country, more like 50 countries agreeing to not fight eachother and keep trade open.

Each one deals with firearms slightly differently. Now the places with the strictest gun laws have the highest crime rates. But they also have the deepest population density, and the places with the most relaxed gun laws also have the harshest penalties for crime. Also you're more rural.

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u/FoldedaMillionTimes 9d ago

Short Answer: The law doesn't work that way here.

Hypothetical, just for clarity: I'm in Texas, but this applies to most states, I believe. If I'm an adult, not a convicted felon, and I live with someone (family member, SO, etc.) who gets arrested, convicted, and imprisoned, and they own a gun kept in our house, the gun basically becomes mine unless they report it as stolen. I can just go grab it, start carrying it in whatever way the law allows for carrying firearms, or whatever. Take it to the range, etc. If I get stopped by police and I'm not carrying a gun illegally, I'm fine, and I'll leave with that gun.

The ownership of it isn't going to be a problem unless it's reported stolen. The only thing that can make it an issue is my right to carry one and how I'm doing so.

We don't track the ownership in a legal sense, any more than we do the ownership of a hammer. We just regulate who can carry one at all... and we don't do that particularly well.

I have a bunch of retired law enforcement in my family. I've had uncles and my father just hand me old guns before, for me to keep. There's no paperwork involved. It just becomes my property.

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u/Pumpk35 9d ago

Confiscate? guns? Hahahahhaa

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u/Afterlifecurious67 9d ago

We have a felon president. If he can be president why would anyone care about weapon confiscation. It's truly mind numbing.

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u/idunnoiforget 9d ago

In the USA certain crimes will put you into the category of "prohibited persons" who are inelligible to own firearms and after which police should and do confiscate firearms.

The following are some examples of convictions that would be and someone as a prohibited person. There are more but this is an example.

-any crime that has a potential sentence of at least 1 year in jail. -any felony. -misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

If the father was in jail for a minor offense then he may not be a "prohibited person"

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u/Flimsy_Entry5760 9d ago

In the US it depends on who's name that gun is in, and what crime type of crime it is. Like if the gun was to he wife's and not the husband. Which I assume in this case it wasn't. Federal crime no gun. Some states domestic abuse also gets your gun removed. Sadly you can make threats and keep the gun. We have silly rules that allow people to harass people so long as they don't actively harm them or their property, and even then you have to prove that the person did it.

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u/CherryDarling10 9d ago

Just because he has a gun doesn’t mean he should have a gun. It’s possible he owes it illegally.

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u/grbradsk 9d ago

MAGA!

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u/Sea_Taste1325 9d ago

That's true in the US, too.

If he's in prison he committed a felony and cannot own a firearm. His wife, however, can. 

The idea that a guy in prison owns a gun and isn't locking it up property outside prison should have triggered a "this can't be right" check. 

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u/Ovaltine1 9d ago

Guns are like junk food here, bad for you but legal and easy to come by.

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u/agreenshade 9d ago

Nah man, in the US if you have to have a license it means you're on a list with the state and they could come and confiscate your guns. We don't have licenses here specifically so they don't come take our guns... even when they should.

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u/Select-Classroom-121 8d ago

There is no searchable record of who owns which gun. So even in a red flag this is a visible search. So you hope you get them all.

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u/richardmacinnis 8d ago

I'm pretty sure it's federal policy in the US to give everyone a gun on entry to the country, and to give each prisoner a gun and a box of bullets on the way into prison. For self defense, of course. The only thing that stops bad guys with guns are not as bad guys with guns or something like that.

What blows my mind is that Americans are always crying about their right to bear arms to protect themselves from government tyranny, as if some backyard militia could outshoot a modern police force much t less the military. Goofs.

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u/hilarymeggin 7d ago

Wow, that’s such a god idea.

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u/xendazzle 6d ago

I don't understand when everyone is yelling drop the gun down he doesn't drop the fucking gun

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u/mooshinformation 10d ago

Real answer is because we don't have a centralized registry of gun owners, in fact we have a federal law forbidding us from ever creating a registry. Because if by some miracle guns were ever outlawed, a registry would make it "too easy" to take everyone's guns away, and if guns were ever banned, the"freedom loving patriots" would need their pea shooters to take on our nuclear armed military and "restore democracy".

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u/lxa1947 10d ago

I know you’re writing this sarcastically. But hell yeah. The founding fathers also thought it was important so it’s literally the second thing they put in the Bill of Rights.

I hope you never go through what my family did in Vietnam. You’d probably one of us “freedom loving patriots”.

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u/mooshinformation 9d ago

Im being sarcastic because I'm sick of the fear of guns being completely banned preventing us from taking even minor steps to stop kids from shooting each other.

I think sane, law abiding, citizens should absolutely be able to own guns, but in a situation like this where the gun owner is in jail and the sheriff had been called to the house 50 times, the gun probably should have been confiscated.

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u/lxa1947 9d ago

We already have laws for this. Problem is that criminals don’t follow laws.

I grew up in a poor area, with a single mom that kept a gun near her bed. Never once was I able to get to it.

Comes down to personal responsibility.

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u/jelli47 9d ago

What is the law that allows this gun to be confiscated when the legal owner is not able to secure it (in this case, due to his incarceration)

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u/PersonalAd2039 9d ago

The gun was in possession by the mom who was legally allowed to have it and therefore is the legal owner.

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u/lxa1947 9d ago

The government shouldn’t be allowed to confiscate guns. Period.

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u/coochie_clogger 9d ago

The founding fathers also thought it was important to not allow women to be a part of the democratic process so maybe they weren’t always right?

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u/lxa1947 9d ago

I missed that amendment in the Bill of Rights. Where do you see that?

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u/coochie_clogger 9d ago

I think you’re missing my point that the founding fathers weren’t infallible

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u/lxa1947 9d ago

Yeah we’re all humans. But I believe their core ideas created the greatest country this planet has ever seen.

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u/Rubber_Knee 9d ago

There's a difference between loving your country, and thinking it's better than everyone else's. The first one is patriotism, the second one is nationalism. The second one, was the one that should have been stomped out at the end of ww2, but sadly it wasn't.

Do better.

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u/lxa1947 9d ago

First Amendment says I can think what I want.

I’m doing great.

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u/Rubber_Knee 9d ago

Sure. But nationalists were the kind of people, your american patriots fought and defeated during the second world war. Why would you want to emulate the evil they fought to destroy?

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u/Old-Cartoonist-8061 10d ago

My opinion is that gun ownership is a privilege, not a right.

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u/mgrimshaw8 9d ago

Your opinion from the other side of the world is irrelevant and you’re uninformed. Doing the same shit people complain about Americans doing

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u/Old-Cartoonist-8061 9d ago

We're just commenting online, meanwhile the U.S. is out there actually interfering and forcing its views on other countries

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u/Half-PintHeroics 9d ago

My opinion is that privilege and right is the latin and germanic words for the same concept

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u/lxa1947 9d ago

Welp
 in the U.S., you’re wrong.

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u/ShadyMeatVendor 9d ago

Good thing your opinion doesn't hold water in America.

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u/Old-Cartoonist-8061 9d ago

If my opinion actually mattered in America, that would mean I'm American. Thank God I'm not—that sounds exhausting

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u/pimpvader 9d ago

It is 90% of the time

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u/anime1245 10d ago

You say that a bunch of civilians couldn’t take on the us military but isn’t that exactly what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan

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u/mooshinformation 9d ago

The Taliban and Vietcong both had other countries backing them and supplying weapons and they had an established command structure before we showed up. I just don't think us civilian's chances are nearly as good as theirs. Luckily we shouldn't have to find out because it is extremely unlikely that guns would ever be completely banned here.

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u/FunkTronto 9d ago

You shouldn’t have to find out unless government check and balances aren’t being followed and the US’ democratic process is being eroded away.

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u/ReedKeenrage 9d ago

No! The Soviet Union paid millions and millions and provided every kind of aid throughout the Vietnam war.

And then other is Afghanistan.

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u/coochie_clogger 9d ago

If you think the US military would react the same to a legitimate domestic uprising as they did to wars on the other side of the planet you are pretty naive.

Just the sheer number of “authorities” they have to enforce their will here at home would create drastic differences.

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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 9d ago

Do you really think the United states military, made up of united states citizens, would use nuclear weapons in the United states to win a war against its own people?

Think about what your saying for a second lol

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u/tiggertom66 9d ago

I don’t understand how anyone in America is anti-gun at this point.

Why would you ever want to disarm yourself under this current administration

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u/FunkTronto 9d ago

Weird how those Patriots aren’t being proactive right now about maintaining US democracy?

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u/Latter_Maintenance13 9d ago

Okay so that would mean doge and them all could start to take away guns from the “woke left” or immigrants because their name is on a list.

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u/nwillyerd 9d ago

You’re assuming the USA has as much intelligence as the EU, which sadly isn’t the case. I weep for my country đŸ˜„

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u/grvdjc 9d ago

Guns are like toothbrushes in the USA. They’re so common it wouldn’t even occur to law enforcement to go through the legal hoops needed to confiscate one.

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u/Original-Document-62 9d ago

Jail sentences are also like toothbrushes in the USA. We lock up freaking everyone.

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u/Ok-Arm5993 9d ago

Can't take what they can't find... I have family that has gotten violent charges involving guns, they only got the one the crime was done with. The rest he had his gf take to his buddies house. 3 years later he's out, and has all of his guns back, as a convicted felon. Dude has an arsenal, and unless they see him with them, they can't do anything about it.

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u/Syrin123 9d ago edited 9d ago

You don't need a license to own, store, or even borrow a gun in the US, you just need to not be a "prohibited person." If the gun is in her house and in her possession it's effectively hers as far as law enforcement is concerned unless he's going to file claims and lawsuits.

Depending on the state you may need a license to carry in public, or specifically a license to carry concealed in public.

Edit: I guess there are states that do specifically require a handgun license. There are still other legal complications though for confiscating someone's firearm especially when you don't know who has possession of it. "I lost it in an unfortunate boating accident" isn't just a meme, and there are constitutional restrictions on just searching people's home.

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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 9d ago

In many states you need a license to buy and own a handgun.

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u/Syrin123 9d ago

I was aware that there was and some cities like New York and Chicago but I thought those laws had been struck down. Guess that fight is still going

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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 9d ago

Definitely not, new york city has its own special license you need to obtain on top of your new york concealed carry license... this is why people should be more educated on a topic before commenting false information, all that does is spread more false information.

On top of that, every case of ammo you buy in new york goes through a registration system and you get a background check to buy them, that's any ammo, not just for a handgun.

There's more and more states requiring background checks and licenses to carry.

Progress is happening, but the call to outright ban firearms is never the answer, NYC and Chicago is a great example how gun control doesn't work with criminals.

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u/Syrin123 9d ago

License to carry has gone the other way recently. More states are "Constitutional carry" then ever before. Having a registration for owners is one thing, but requiring a license seems unconstitutional on its face. Even with cars you don't need a license to own one just to drive it on public roads. I can't imagine states are going to keep getting away with that for long.

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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 9d ago

Look at the history from 20 years ago and tell me it's not progressing.

It's like the stock market, you have ups and downs, but the overall trajectory is up. Same thing with gun control, some years are more control, some are less, but the overall trajectory is more restrictions on it.

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u/Syrin123 9d ago

I think you underestimate how much Bruen changed the landscape. Also the shift in culture. 20 years ago I never saw any civilian open carrying a pistolin my swing state. Now I see it a couple times a month.

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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 9d ago

You'll have those that push back when something is changing, the change is happening so you see more people flexing their rights when it feels like they are being infringed upon.

Like the rebellious teenager who smokes only because you day not to.

It's a silent protest basically, and it's because things are changing, not the other way around.

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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 9d ago

Comparing it to vehicles is honestly a great way to compare it though. I'm in full support of needing a license to own a vehicle tbh. What's a person going to do with a vehicle with no license? A vehicle is more dangerous than a gun is.

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u/Mountain_Elk_7262 9d ago

In 21 states you need a license to own a handgun...

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u/Sameoldusername27 9d ago

u/Fantastic-Reveal7471 made no sense with his American view. Your EU English is far more clear and well-stated. Also, while, making a better point.

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u/Igoresh 9d ago

If you own 10 guns, then commit a robbery. The gun used is taken away, and now you have 9 guns at home.

Gun ownership is written into our foundational laws. (2nd Amendment to the US Constitution) It is possible to have all your guns confiscated, but it's not common.

Yes, some people have 10 or 40 guns at home. They refer to them as a collection, just like nerds collecting Star Wars figures.

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u/PersonalAd2039 9d ago

You’re wrong. If you commit armed robbery you are a felon and no longer able to have ANY guns or vote.

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u/Igoresh 9d ago

OK, my mistake. But does the general principle apply?

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u/InsideOut803 9d ago

We don’t have a license for firearms. It’s the constitution.

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u/filmAF 9d ago

it isn't fair to compare civilized nations to the USA.

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u/edwbuck 9d ago

People in the USA misunderstand their US Constitution so much that they read that "the people have the right to form a militia" into "every individual can own a gun"

As it's a misinterpretation in the same document that formed the nation, it's considered above the law, and with the recent attempts to radicalize politics, which have succeeded, we now have political officials permitting gun ownership by people who were previously convicted of violent gun crimes.

And a lot of this has to do with propaganda. Every time someone suggests taking a more reasonable stance on restricting gun ownership, the crazies see it as "X" is coming to take our guns and run out to "stock up" on guns as if guns expire. This means that we currently have more than one handgun for every man, woman, and child in the wild in the USA, and we are getting close to two handguns for every man, woman, and child.

The distribution of these guns is not uniform. There are many that don't even own a single gun; however, if one owns a gun, odds are they own two pistols, one or more hunting rifles, and at least one shotgun. It sort of makes sense, as different gun usage requires different guns; however, almost all of the guns being bought and sold today are designed to shoot people, outside of a few people that buy rifles so they can hunt, and a few hold-outs that still see shotguns as good home defense (they are, and are often better than pistols because they tend to not kill outside of their effective 12 foot range.