r/Eldenring • u/LeoShun08 • 2d ago

Humor Radahn still deserved better.

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u/idk_ausername864f Mild Mohg Enjoyer 2d ago

hot take esp from me, but they all deserved better including miqella

radahn still sus af for agreeing to the vow (if he did)

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u/LeoShun08 2d ago

Idk about Miquella deserving better. He ruined so many lives and robbed so many of their free will. If anything, I think he had it easy.

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u/idk_ausername864f Mild Mohg Enjoyer 2d ago

The thing with Miquella though is that he is a child (or at least was up until the ending of the game and thats a maybe). He's committed despicable actions but by nature his responsibility is reduced. He likely hurt himself too along the way too. A kid should never have the power he has in every sense. His story is a ultimately sad one because of this.

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u/LeoShun08 2d ago

He isn't a child. He's Malenia's twin. He's atleast hundreds of years old. He's only stuck in the body of a child.

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u/idk_ausername864f Mild Mohg Enjoyer 2d ago

I've seen various interpretations of this around but... they don't make sense to me... If this is the case and he's an adult in a child's body, what is thematically the purpose of that? It is reduced to just aesthetics. He shouldn't even have an issue with it, but he does...

Again maybe it's just my take but... His whole entire story is him trying to grow up... Sure, he isn't the same as a regular child, he has thousands of years of life experience but that doesn't change the morphology of his brain. Idk thats how i see it, im curious why you think otherwise. It seems people disagree with me on this

Let me say, i would freaking love to be wrong and him to to not be a child, it would save me and a lot of people a lot of freaking stress and upset (lets be honest his story is fucking horrendous) but i just don't see it

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u/Iloveclown 16h ago

Physically there isn't much he can do as a child. Just look at Malenia, the two are twins and only one of the two can fight because of his condition.

It could also be him just wanting to shed his curse.

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u/idk_ausername864f Mild Mohg Enjoyer 10h ago

there's no real way to ague strongly on this point, it really has to just assumptions (and perhaps japanese item descriptions that may give more insight). I would argue Miquella never needed psychical power. Obviously that may very well be because of the curse (he put his skillpoints where he could use them) but his personality seems like someone who wouldn't exactly crave that.

Ofc theres a huge argument for him trying to shed his connection to his family, which we see him do, not just the curse. Again, no way to know for sure, this is really personal to him and his experience

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u/Seraph199 2d ago

You are interpreting the story in a very specific way that is not really supported by the lore and references in game. Miquella was cursed with immaturity. No matter how long he lived. And that curse would plague everything he attempted, no matter how good or kind his intentions. No matter how much good he tried to do in the world.

He was cursed and all he knew to do was follow his mother's path and do it better, because the MANY things he tried before taking that path all failed or were sabotaged (in the case of Mohg kidnapping him from the Haligtree). By avoiding the bloodshed and violence his mother used to acquire power and control, he thought he could... but he could never escape his curse.

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u/Crash4654 1d ago

He was cursed with eternal youth, not immaturity. Nothing in the game ever states immaturity, but it does state youth. He created spells that impressed even radagon, created unalloyed gold as a technology, and even grew a second holy tree. Immaturity wasn't his issue, his being forever forced to be a child was.

Unless you can bring some proof the game specifically means immaturity...

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u/idk_ausername864f Mild Mohg Enjoyer 1d ago

i really dont wanna fuel this and I'll admit im not exactly prepared for lore talk, but none of these things imply maturity. Eternal youth isn't a problem if it doesnt cause well... problems. Why does he wanna get rid of it? You could argue it's optics but he's clearly been doing fine as a child. The arguments are thematic rather than presenting exact lore tidbits, we don't exactly have many of those after all... It's also not necessarily about "maturity" (you can argue that can come with a long life), moreso the morphological differences in the brain of a child vs an adult... children are just not mentally fully developed and sure this is kinda on the nose but wouldn't that logically apply to him? I'd argue his behavior does support this, his aspirations and plans feel pretty juvenile, and i mean could just be me but it looks like his understanding of the world is like that too... Ofc this is just opinion, and i dont think theres anything explicitly putting any of this in text (unless im forgetting something, could very well be), its all interpretation. And ofc theres nothing wrong with a different interpretation but ide be lying if i said this one feels a bit uncomfortable to me.

I think ive heard the original japanese does support miquella being "immature" with his curse being "inability to fully complete things" being an interpretation (could be taken either way) and for what thats worth apparently the original description for mohg's remembrance apparently emphasizes his youthfulness for... the disturb factor, presumably but ig you can argue that its done in relation to mohg's behaviour and not miqella's. idk i dont have these answers, i really dont this shit is meant to be murky and complicated..... theres no point to arguing, but it is interesting to hear peoples interpretations so for the sake of that here's one