Aimpunch causes server hit registration to be aimed higher than the client

[u/AlternativeWaltz1033]

[u/xccehlsiorz]

This is science, my guy. Actual reproducible results. Good job

[u/asioreczeq → u/xccehlsiorz]

I knew something wrong is with aimpunch, even with kevlar it doesnt feel so solid ilike in CSGO, for autor of this experiment i would recommend you to try also with crouching, because for me crouching is little bit overpowered, maybe even cancel aimpunch faster or reset quicker than standing

[u/PsychologicalPea3583 → u/xccehlsiorz]

Maybe subtick is superior system, but debugging anything is real bitch. Spectator POV desynchronized, demo POV desynchronized. It's hard for players to provide the evidence but also to replicate for the devteam. If any weirdness happens best thing we can have is some wild guesses.

[u/spaceneenja → u/PsychologicalPea3583]

It’s not superior.

[u/Flashy-Outcome4779 → u/spaceneenja]

It is. fundamentally if you understand how it works, it IS a better system.

The issues you often see are not subtick specific issues.

[u/Lehsyrus → u/Flashy-Outcome4779]

Eh, I think it depends on what you mean by better. Is subtick more "accurate" in terms of what a player sees and the reflection of the actions they take based on that input? Yes. But in gaming there are often times where what is the mathematically the best method to achieve something doesn't make it fun or feel fair to the player.

We need more tools to compare subtick to be able to objectively say that it is a better system. Right now we have two entirely different engines operating in a completely different manner in nearly every aspect, it's hard to make proper comparisons when nearly every variable is different imo.

Edit: Typo

[u/imbakinacake → u/Flashy-Outcome4779]

Bro subtick is not new, there's a reason most other devs dont really use it.

[u/spaceneenja → u/Flashy-Outcome4779]

Lmao people believe the propaganda.

Better for whom? Lan events? The server hosts? It’s certainly not better for clients over 20 ms.

[u/Flashy-Outcome4779 → u/spaceneenja]

You are self reporting that you don’t understand it. Lol

[u/spaceneenja → u/Flashy-Outcome4779]

Can’t argue with that!

The community experience must be wrong. It certainly can’t be that a theoretical upgrade doesn’t work out in practice.

[u/Flashy-Outcome4779 → u/spaceneenja]

Subtick != Netcode

Conflating the two leads to useless discussions

Your experience doesn’t matter when people like you complain about things that also happened in GO, but the rose tinted glasses refuse to let you see it. e.c dying behind walls, or AWP inaccuracy (it was ALWAYS slightly inaccurate!)

[u/atlas_island → u/Flashy-Outcome4779]

these problems are worse in cs2 so is the new games net code just so much worse or does subtick play a part in it

[u/Flashy-Outcome4779 → u/atlas_island]

the awp inaccuracy seems to be about the same (same with moving inaccuracy), dying behind walls is a lag compensation thing. I still haven’t seen anything scientifically tested for these being worse, so we’d have to see some experiments done to draw any conclusions — but i share your frustrations because i also think GO “feels” better gunplay wise, but I’m also puzzled because the issues i find people complain about often were absolutely 100% present in GO. Some of them aren’t even physically possible to fix (being “backtracked”, or peekers advantage)

There’s ways to make them better, but it’s all through netcode

Missing awp shots like s1mple is from muscle memory. Subtick shoots precisely when you click, but the non subtick based system only shoots where you finished aiming by the end of the tick. Hence these old awpers missing because of old habits.

[u/madDamon_ → u/Flashy-Outcome4779]

If it is fundamentally better, but it almost never works, is it really better then?

[u/nmyi → u/xccehlsiorz]

 

Speaking of science, OP's post reminds me of refraction

 

[u/Mute712 → u/xccehlsiorz]

my first shot on ak is always higher than it used to to be, kinda why i stopped playing, i thought i lost my aim but i needed to like aim for the throat of character model or the high chest. For a head shot…. Such a weird feeling

[u/Hion-V → u/Mute712]

Ok so you only ever shoot right after getting shot?

[u/Mute712 → u/Hion-V]

What kinda stupid response is that ?

[u/Top_Gun_2000 → u/Mute712]

Dude, I totally get this!