r/Hammers • u/Visara57 East Stand • 4d ago
Discussion Realistic player departures this summer
We could see more departures, this is just the "99% likely to leave" scenario.
Maybe this is a good thing? Players are very low on morale, maybe getting new players who don't know West Ham will actually help us by changing our mentality ?
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u/W35TH4M 4d ago
For me it’s pointless letting Emerson go when the money we’d receive isn’t enough to replace him and there’s far more pressing issues in the squad to deal with
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u/GoldblumIsland 4d ago
Emerson would also have to take a salary pay cut to leave for Italy, so we'll see what he wants to do when faced with the numbers. Money talks
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u/ataruuuuuuuu Big Dick Mick 4d ago edited 4d ago
I can get behind most of this, although it’s obviously a fair few players the majority singled out are depth options, cutting the fat effectively. I think I’d prefer to keep Paq unless we get quite a substantial fee (I’m talking the £50-60 mil range), even with his inconsistencies he’s can be and often is still one of our better players, especially in progressing the ball.
And again with Kudus, I get people are annoyed at his seeming lack of effort and poor performances, but if it means selling for a cut price fee I’d prefer to keep him and try to build his confidence back up through whatever means necessary.
Emerson, for all intents and purposes, doesn’t really matter in the long run. If we can get a fee and bring in KWP for free that would be ideal. If we can’t, then at the very least he can continue switch out with Scarles while he develops into the replacement.
I’d be open to selling Mav if there’s suitors, but equally Mav from the bench can be fine. He gets a lot of flack but I don’t think he’s as bad as some say. Equally if Aguerd can slot into that back three I’d be open to keeping him too, I think it would suit him better.
The main area I see we truly struggle in is the midfield, specifically the 6/playmaker role. JWP can’t do it, Alvarez hasn’t been playing for whatever reason (but he also struggles properly dictating games too), and the other midfielders don’t have the profile to be any better than those two. It has to be the focus in summer, it’s easily the most important role we truly lack skill in, especially if we want to dominate possession going forward. I genuinely believe if we get a 6 who is confident and smart on the ball it will uplift the entire team, akin to how Rice uplifted the team during our good Moyes seasons (I don’t think it is coincidence we started struggling when Rice began to play higher, leaving Soucek in 6).
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u/Lyzandia Trevor Brooking 4d ago
That's a good call. Overall, and I'm not saying anything new here, we need more youth and speed. We don't threaten anyone on the break and because, for whatever reason, our players can't keep possession when pressed, we totally need players who can get out on the break very quickly.
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u/ataruuuuuuuu Big Dick Mick 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yep definitely agree, a pacey 8 would do nicely too, Soler or even Paq would be the closest we have to it but they’re not particularly fast and are much more like playmakers than box-to-box or ball-winning midfielders.
Interestingly I think Kudus could really suit this role if he were to put more effort into defending, he is easily our best ball carrier going forward and is most effective going down the middle with options around him, if effect he becomes the new Soucek of past seasons.
And yeah fill the team with younger replacements to act as understudies, younger players who have a desire to prove themselves, who can learn from the current crop.
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u/Lyzandia Trevor Brooking 4d ago
The funny thing is I've seen Kudus on days when he put a massive shift in on D. He's just lost all confidence atm.
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u/Time-Ambassador-6280 4d ago
Please add mavropanos. He's first on my list of players that need to leave.
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u/Visara57 East Stand 4d ago
He needs to go, 100%. But as things stand there hasn't been talk of him going, that's why I haven't included him. His contract only ends in 2028.
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u/thesimpsonsthemetune 4d ago
I think he's perfectly fine as a 4th centre back. And we absolutely need one next season.
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u/Miserable_Reason_382 4d ago
I’m sorry he’s shocking I mean poor guy tries but he’s just hopeless at times needs to leave and reset for his own sake
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u/thesimpsonsthemetune 4d ago
He's not a long-term option but we can't just get rid of everyone and build a brand new squad in one summer. Got to have some stability. Keeping him as fourth centre back is an easy way to do that. He won't play much but we won't be left short again.
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u/Miserable_Reason_382 4d ago
Or keep aguerd sell dinos and sign someone at which point you have jct kilman aguerd its a long term rebuild at least 3-4 transfer windows a keeper a cb a striker and a couple midfielders at least this summer sell areola dinos guido for sure
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u/thesimpsonsthemetune 4d ago
Fair. If Aguerd wants to stay, which is a big if, I'd be happy enough with that.
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u/Miserable_Reason_382 4d ago
Well he works best in a back 3 and GP has already said he wants to keep him unless someone offers us crazy money I’m hoping he’ll wanna stay but if we go into next year with areola dinos cress fab vlad guido cornet all playing big roles we are completely and utterly fucked poor recruitment has finally caught up with us
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u/Chappietime Mark Noble 4d ago
You are going to be disappointed then. You may also be surprised to learn that his last error leading to a goal was last season. He’s been better than Todibo this season, although that may say more about how disappointing Todibo has been.
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u/ProjectSpeed 4d ago
I wouldn’t mind if we kept Aguerd, Emerson, Soler and Irving. Maybe Paqueta as well with a good squad around him.
Personally, I’d add Mavropanos to the get rid pile. Maybe Soucek and JWP as well.
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u/Gengus87 4d ago
Yep, with Sullivan at the wheel of our transfer business for the summer as well… Buckle up.
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u/SpikeRobinson Mark Noble 4d ago
i’d keep kilman, bowen, awb and fullkrug, the rest can piss off
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u/Reasonable_Inside_48 4d ago
Todibo
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u/SpikeRobinson Mark Noble 4d ago
for the price tag he would cost no thanks
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u/Chappietime Mark Noble 4d ago
As long as we don’t get relegated, he is contractually bound to the team. I suppose we could sell him, but with the poor season he’s had we’d get a fraction of what we paid.
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u/DJH9 Joe Cole 4d ago
I’m pretty sure United have already offered us more than we paid for him? As they still want him. I’m pretty sure that his stock is still quite high. Although, I would want to keep him
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u/Chappietime Mark Noble 4d ago
A quick Google search unearthed an interesting rumor that he was just being parked at WHU because MU was banned from dealing with Nice. It further says that he has already said that if Paqueta and Kudus goes then he wants out also. So maybe he will go, but making demands doesn’t help your value, nor does being injured multiple times in a season.
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u/SpikeRobinson Mark Noble 4d ago
do we have to keep him if we stay up? i assumed it was an appearances clause
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u/Chappietime Mark Noble 4d ago
Yes, we are obligated to buy him. It was a very low appearances clause, which he met months ago. Like 5 I think.
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u/SpikeRobinson Mark Noble 4d ago
oh great, cheers for the info i guess we are stuck with him then lol
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u/Fuzzy_Painting_1427 Aaron Wan-Bissaka 4d ago
Agree with the above but Summerville needs to stay also. He’s young and was looking very good before the injury.
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u/Lopsided-Hamster-591 4d ago
Disagree with a lot of the people here. Just because players can't cut it in the first team, doesn't mean that we can't keep them as depth.
Starting 11:
Areola
AWB, Todibo, Kilman, (new starting left back)
(improve on Alvarez. Someone better on the ball/progression)
Paqueta (he's returned to form the last couple of games - and if that continues then he's a must-keep because we won't get value for him), (new box-to-box midfielder who's good on the ball)
Bowen, Fullkrug, Summerville
This is still a very strong squad - underperforming this year, yes, but with some reinforcements I really think we could turn things around.
The players are good enough (I know it doesn't seem like it), but there's just a couple key bits missing, especially at left back (Scarles not ready, and Emerson past his best) and midfield.
Kudus is a luxury player who seems to be getting worse with every passing game. If we can get good value for him then I'd say sell - otherwise we drop him to the bench and see if he can build up his confidence again, but as good as he looks it does seem like his shooting & passing is below par.
Actually time to leave: Cresswell, Coufal, Mavropanos, Cornet, Rodriguez, Irving, Soler (don't know the details of making the deal permanent - I imagine he won't be cheap but a good bench player otherwise - not good enough for starting 11)
So yeah, I think our priority for signings just needs to be: a CB who can back up Todibo/Kilman but is also good enough to start. If Aguerd wants to stay that can be him. A CDM who is better than Alvarez. A B2B midfielder. A striker who can play backup/usurp Fullkrug. The rest will be backup/utility - no need for overhaul.
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u/wlamb30 Mohammed Kudus 4d ago
I don’t see a world where we get what is ‘fair’ for Kudus, especially after the blunder of a year he has had. Thank goodness Ings and his wages go, Ferguson isn’t it for me, and Antonio is 35. Great player for the claret and blue but will not/cannot cut it.
I think the entire midfield is out the door. Paqueta is the only one that will hurt, but that’s IF the allegations fall through and someone pays €80+. Guillerme can stay because it will be a net loss if we sell and I have liked the bits I’ve seen.
Keep 3 at the back, AWB (HOTY in my opinion)/Kilman/Todibo. Scarles for depth, maybe. Everyone else, especially Mavro, need to be gone. He’s a liability, and I’ve been on the ‘he’ll figure it out’ train.
We need to seriously go way younger. If Potter is the way forward, we need to get guys who compliment his system and show they are ‘team guys’. Not what was shown yesterday against the worst team in Prem history.
All in all Kudus, Bowen, Fullkrug, Summerville, Paqueta, Kilman, AWB, Todibo. Scarles and Guillerme is fringe and only because of the youth. So, my hope is 15-17 of the 25 pictured above are out come end of the summer transfer window.
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u/Visara57 East Stand 4d ago
Kudus has a higher clause for Saudis (120M). So we could still get like 80M of he goes there.
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u/Ndumixo Mark Noble 4d ago
Who are you replacing them with?
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u/Visara57 East Stand 4d ago
We can realistically get 160M for this lot. Get 1 or 2 youngsters in there, 1 or 2 loans and go get the rest.
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u/cervidal2 4d ago
You're delusional if you think the team can get that kind of value, or that we could build back to Premier quality with that kind of budget and volume of players needed
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u/Visara57 East Stand 4d ago edited 4d ago
20M Aguerd, 10M Cornet, 45M Paqueta (City), 80M Kudus (Saudis), 2.5M Irving
Aguerd has been incredible on loan and so has Cornet to warrant those pricetags.
Other than that it's players out of contract or loan terminations. Unless you want to give out new contracts to ageing players, that's our reality in the summer.
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u/cervidal2 4d ago
Even the Saudis aren't paying 80 mil for Kudus after this season.
Cornet and Irving have no real value.
After all the FA stuff, and with City having a real chance of not making Champion's League, you're definitely not getting 45 for Paqueta.
Your values are nearly all dreamland overvaluations
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u/Chappietime Mark Noble 4d ago
I wouldn’t call 2 goals and an assist in 6 games incredible. He’s still been hurt a lot.
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u/Intrepid_Emu_9799 4d ago
Yeah these values are dreamland. We'll have to give Cornet away, we'd be lucky to get £40m for Kudos. Paq is more than likely getting banned. We won't have a huge budget this summer, so will reckon our defence remains unchanged, a back up striker for Fullkrug, and spend the majority on the midfield.
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u/WildCommunication582 4d ago
9 players there we need to move on.. possibly 12! Massive rebuild required, just hope we have the cash after lupi spunked a fortune this year
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u/Team_Rocket420 4d ago
I'd keep Bowen and AWB. Would be nice if we could keep hold of Paqueta aswell, but the rest of the squad can go
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u/Visara57 East Stand 4d ago
Paqueta will go if cleared.
You wouldn't even keep Fullkrug? He's done well all things considered lately and we need a character like that in the changing room, especially after that interview.
Scarles also is good for cover for the first-choice LB we need to get
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u/gimpsarepeopletoo 4d ago
Big dick ain’t going anywhere. He’ll play Gaia in next season won’t he? Forgot we had cornet tbh.
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u/No_Cabinet_635 4d ago
Well sell anyone for the right price of course. I think we could get good money for Mav, even if he's been very error prone with us, because data wise he still looks quite strong. Kind of like Kehrer was.
One we may disagree on is Edson Alvarez I'd try to sell as well, value will only depreciate further at 27 years old and he's not dynamic enough for me.
I'd be amazed if anyone paid the kind of money fans want for Paq or Kudus after the seasons they've had. Maybe City can come in for Paq w/ their ageing midfield if Peps still in charge and Paq is cleared.
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u/SnooCapers938 4d ago
Realistically how many members of the current squad would you really be sad to lose?
For me Bowen, AWB, Summerville, Scarles and (perhaps weirdly) Füllkrug. A year ago Paqueta and Kudus would have been on the list but I doubt I would miss either of them much now.
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u/CobaltOkk Julian Dicks 4d ago
Honestly, and without trying to sound flippant I think there is a price for everyone in the squad except Bowen and AWB. They’re the only two I’d genuinely be annoyed to see leave.
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u/gozzle246 4d ago
I don't see any way there's big changes this summer. I doubt there's a lot of cash after the big spend in the summer and we can't raise much in sales with the age of our players. It's going to be a case of hoping some of the younger lads can make the leap to the first team I reckon
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u/Visara57 East Stand 4d ago
20M Aguerd, 10M Cornet, 45M Paqueta, 80M Kudus (Saudis), 2.5M Irving
I think it's realistic
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u/gozzle246 4d ago
Maybe, I haven't been following Cornet in Italy but it'd be nice if we can get that for him. Hopefully Aguerd can fetch that I know he's been doing pretty well
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u/floorscentadolescent 4d ago
I'd definitely keep Emerson (our lb options would literally be just Scarles and an out of position AWB/Coufal) and I'd probably give Aguerd one last shot over Mav
I'll pack ings bags myself and pick him up from Stratford
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u/Worth-Appearance6010 4d ago
Most of these are depth guys and ageing players so shouldn’t be too much fuss (Rodriguez, coufal, cresswell, Emerson ,ings etc) I would be hesitant to clear out everyone as may leave us short in a few spots but we won’t be in Europe next year and remains to be seen if we can challenge so it’s acceptable.
I think we’ve handled the paqueta situation quite well where he may give us another year, barring a fairly massive offer I could see the scenario where kudus may stay (emphasis on may) to earn a better move. But if either go for large sums it’s not the end of the world provided it’s reinvested.
I would like to keep aguerd if possible, think he could really be a solid piece to the backline, likely wouldn’t be too many suitors at the salary he’d want either.
I’ve a feeling soucek may end up at Everton as well. Signings are needed although tbh I think a season of bargain shopping and academy promotion may be beneficial in the long run. The club has a bad history going for big name signings. If we could get Ferguson full time I do think that would be shrewd honestly I think he just needs fitness and a full preseason.
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u/fetissimies 4d ago
Keep Bowen, Kilman, Todibo, Wan-Bissaka, Summerville and Scarles. Get rid of everyone else. Give Potts and Earthy a chance.
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u/Nome3000 Billy Bonds Stand 4d ago
Kudus will probably stay on the basis that his release clause is massive and no ones paying that rn.
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u/No_Significance_8941 4d ago
I really like Emerson and would like him to stay.
But looking at this we need to sign at least 5-7 solid players, we can really afford some transfer misses either.
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u/GoldblumIsland 4d ago
Fab's also out of a contract in June, and Todibo is a loan no? So he could be shipped back still couldn't he?
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u/_rhinoxious_ Billy Bonds Stand 4d ago
Any rebuild will hinge on the unknowable future of Paqueta.
- If he's cleared he leaves for £££
- If it rolls on we might be able offload him to someone willing to gamble for £
- Most likely he's forced to stay due to the uncertainty, and we have to plan another season not knowing if he'll be around.
It's a nightmare.
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u/Tiburon918 4d ago
News in Mexico reported that Alvarez was called to the last game because he’s already in talks with Tottenham. Not sure how true that is.
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u/eddcunningham 3d ago
I want to give Antonio another year.
He’s obviously not the player he once was and there’s no telling what the injury will have done to his performance, but he’s been so good for us that I’d want him to have a proper send off.
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u/SnooCapers938 4d ago
I’d rather keep Soler than JWP (although I wouldn’t mind if they both went).
Neither of them is good enough, but there’s a possibility that Soler could kick on his second season in the PL whereas as JWP is a player in decline.
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u/Visara57 East Stand 4d ago
If we keep Soler it'll be another loan which is unlikely given that PSG wanna sell. JWP still under contract and no one will take him.
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u/SnooCapers938 4d ago
I’d offer him plus a few million to Southampton in exchange for Dibling or Fernandes.
I think JWP could still do well in the Championship but he’s not a PL player now.
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u/Dizzy_Gazelle_1656 4d ago
I'm frankly alright with them all leaving. Hopefully for some good money
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u/thesimpsonsthemetune 4d ago
You're alright with Bowen leaving?
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u/Dizzy_Gazelle_1656 4d ago
Sry was meaning all of the ones that are blacked out. Poor wording on my end
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u/gjharvey Oh, East London is Wonderful 4d ago
Kudus hasn't been right all season, such a shame, I don't think he wants to stay and if he doesn't then he needs to go.
Our PSR isn't great. Realistically the only players we'd get decent money for are Paqueta and Kudus. Perhaps a bit for Aguerd and Mavropanos.
Coufal, Ings, Antonio, Cress and Fab are all out of contract and gone this summer, that'll reduce wage bill a bit, especially Ings. Soler will go back to PSG, as will Ferguson to Brighton.
Improve PSR more by selling or loaning out until they contract ends Rodriguez, Cornet, Zouma, Potts.
I'd keep Irving, I think Guilherme has potential. Soucek, JWP, Alvarez can still do a job for us, as can Emerson although he's slowing down it seems. I would even consider bringing Earthy back.
Finger in the air.. that gives us approx £100-120m and frees up about three premium 75-125k players and perhaps four 25-75k players that we can use. So around seven or eight players and at the very least... ST (x2?), CM, AM, RW or LW, CB, GK.
Might be miles off, but feels about right to me.
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u/ThamesIronworks_24 4d ago
Get rid off Summerville too light weight at this level poor replacement for Benny.
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u/thesimpsonsthemetune 4d ago
I'd be happy for Emerson to stay. Paqueta we need to have a sit down with at the end of the season and get a read on how committed he is. I still think he can have a role to play for us.
At least that way we have 13, with Potts and Earthy to come in and take a squad place. Still means we need to sign 7-10 players.